China taking over the world without military actions.

[DrBeer]

Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

To be fair, China still lags behind the United States in most areas. But there is no denying that they are developing faster and more strongly than any other country. With such a growth rate, they will sooner or later catch up with the United States if the United States does not accelerate its own growth rate.

In my opinion, the United States needs more solutions than just using trade wars and restricting technology exports to contain this country.

To objectively assess the situation, it is enough to simply compare the technologies developed by the U.S. and China—not those that have been copied, but specifically those that have been invented and scaled up for mass production. I can certainly acknowledge, for example, the notable successes of Chinese manufacturers in energy storage technologies (batteries), mega online marketplaces like Alibaba, their own BeiDou navigation system, and Ultra High Voltage (UHV) power grids. This is CHINESE, if you don’t dig too deep into the fundamental foundations, scientific research, and so on. In short—not very impressive figures, compared to other highly developed countries. And provided that China reached this state only because 30–40 years ago it was Western countries that brought technology to China.

[Ab de villiers]

In terms of technology advancement, it is an act of mentally retarded person to fight technical advancement. Science should operate in coordination between all nations. The competition is opened for whom can do better. Science should be biased of all other conflicts. American arrogance exceed all limits that can even assassinate scientists and include technological raw materials in trading war.

Silently and steadily China almost taken the world, China convert itself from developing country into developed country. It's not happened accidentally , but it is a consistent struggle of many years. China government silently focused on strengthening its economy plus expanding its exports. Few decades ago many countries rely only on U.S but now majority of the countries increasing tend towards China.
China work alot in every fields now specially AI or technology or export these all technology to the other countries. China is  involved in almost all spheres of the life,  even it has now strength enough that he has a strong impact in UNO decisions.  It is rightly said that China is  taking the world without war. And you are right here American arrogance really cross all the limits that's in the long run give harm to their economy and this a point where China can win without imposing war.

[Cheema02]

Silently and steadily China almost taken the world, China convert itself from developing country into developed country. It's not happened accidentally , but it is a consistent struggle of many years. China government silently focused on strengthening its economy plus expanding its exports. Few decades ago many countries rely only on U.S but now majority of the countries increasing tend towards China.
China work alot in every fields now specially AI or technology or export these all technology to the other countries. China is  involved in almost all spheres of the life,  even it has now strength enough that he has a strong impact in UNO decisions.  It is rightly said that China is  taking the world without war. And you are right here American arrogance really cross all the limits that's in the long run give harm to their economy and this a point where China can win without imposing war.

Your arguments about china's growth is very realistic because China set long term plannings for better export and investing in technology through which it gain the huge growth and innovations globally. Currently many countries attracted towards China for trading purpose which shows its importance in the world. No doubt its a rational point that China take over the whole world on the other hand US remains the strongest nation in all major fields like in finance, innovation and mainly in military. And along with rapid China also struggled with challenges like aging population. No doubt China becomes very important for world but the global decision can not made by one country because the world is not unipolar its multipolar planet and powers can distributed in different countries so the global decision can be done by the sharing of all main countries.

[Oluwa-btc]

If you were given the power to choose only ONE world super villain to exist, making the other two non-existent - Which ONE would you choose and WHY?

Plus for the people who would answer that question, don't be offended whatever the answer may be. We're only discussing hypotheticals.

Two in one I'd say Russia - China!

They want a multi-polar  world where everyone sees themselves as equals and not the opposite where, the a single nation applies aggression and bullying on smaller nations. And also, for personal reasons, they had nothing to do with colonising black people. Rather, armed them up against Colonial masters. Everyone out for their won selfish interest I get it, but they're obviously the lesser devil and villain.

[RumorCipher]

China’s influence today is more about economics than military force. Through projects like the Belt and Road Initiative, China invests in roads, ports, power, and digital systems in many countries. Even in the Philippines, there have been discussions and projects involving Chinese funding and infrastructure. China also focuses on trade and key resources, which makes many countries economically connected to it. So it is not really “taking over,” but slowly building influence through investments and partnerships instead of force. 

[Abiky]

Silently and steadily China almost taken the world, China convert itself from developing country into developed country. It's not happened accidentally , but it is a consistent struggle of many years. China government silently focused on strengthening its economy plus expanding its exports. Few decades ago many countries rely only on U.S but now majority of the countries increasing tend towards China.
China work alot in every fields now specially AI or technology or export these all technology to the other countries. China is  involved in almost all spheres of the life,  even it has now strength enough that he has a strong impact in UNO decisions.  It is rightly said that China is  taking the world without war. And you are right here American arrogance really cross all the limits that's in the long run give harm to their economy and this a point where China can win without imposing war.

China, a developed country? I doubt it. I mean, China is much stronger than it was before. But most people living there are in poverty. Only the government is rich. Besides, China is a communist country. It's still considered a developing country in the eyes of the US and other Western countries. But I could be wrong.

The fact is that China is slowly (but surely) eating the US' "cake". It's trying to stay one step ahead of the game by adopting the latest technologies. Like EVs, robotics, and AI. Even China has its very own digital currency (a CBDC under the ticker of e-CNY). EVs are being used at a large scale in the country, especially with the large infrastructure it has for them. There are lots of charging stations around.

Meanwhile, the US is struggling in EV adoption, as it lacks the necessary infrastructure to make it mainstream. At this point, gas-powered cars should've been "phased out" already. Don't you think? Some say the current US-Iran-Israel conflict is benefitting China than all the other way around. The US created this monster, and now it must learn how to deal with it.

[Swordsoffreedom]

China, a developed country? I doubt it. I mean, China is much stronger than it was before. But most people living there are in poverty. Only the government is rich. Besides, China is a communist country. It's still considered a developing country in the eyes of the US and other Western countries. But I could be wrong.

Do you live in China? How do you know that the people there are all poor?

China identifies itself as a developing country. But the US and some Western countries disagree with that because they possess the world's secondlargest economy

It could be argued that China is a special case, and there is still debate about whether it is a developing or developed country.

The fact is that China is slowly (but surely) eating the US' "cake". It's trying to stay one step ahead of the game by adopting the latest technologies. Like EVs, robotics, and AI. Even China has its very own digital currency (a CBDC under the ticker of e-CNY). EVs are being used at a large scale in the country, especially with the large infrastructure it has for them. There are lots of charging stations around.

Meanwhile, the US is struggling in EV adoption, as it lacks the necessary infrastructure to make it mainstream. At this point, gas-powered cars should've been "phased out" already. Don't you think? Some say the current US-Iran-Israel conflict is benefitting China than all the other way around. The US created this monster, and now it must learn how to deal with it.

To be fair, the US and the West still hold core technologies. Until China reduces its dependence on and achieves self sufficiency in those core technologies, it will not be able to surpass the United States. It will probably take a long time, but yes, the United States is too late to stop the Chinese giant.

[DrBeer]

China’s influence today is more about economics than military force. Through projects like the Belt and Road Initiative, China invests in roads, ports, power, and digital systems in many countries. Even in the Philippines, there have been discussions and projects involving Chinese funding and infrastructure. China also focuses on trade and key resources, which makes many countries economically connected to it. So it is not really “taking over,” but slowly building influence through investments and partnerships instead of force. 

You don’t quite understand Chinese ideology. This isn’t “aid”-it’s expansion and the seizure of territories, economies, and governments. I’ve said this many times before: if you want to understand what an “economic union with China” really means, look at the example of Sri Lanka-it’s the most telling one! This isn’t cooperation; it’s the takeover and colonization of a country, accompanied by the destruction of its economic independence and its transition to full control by and/or dependence on China. Once again-study the example of Sri Lanka; it will give you plenty to think about....

[sunsilk]

Do you live in China? How do you know that the people there are all poor?

China identifies itself as a developing country. But the US and some Western countries disagree with that because they possess the world's secondlargest economy

It could be argued that China is a special case, and there is still debate about whether it is a developing or developed country.

I doubt that most of the people there are poor. What I can say is that things there are cheap and the people are enjoying that.

And understanding that many of the products are coming from them and they're organized in the production of it, that gives a lot of jobs in mass production of those products.

IMHO, some state or areas in China are already developed. Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Chongqi and many others. It's a big and diverse country as well but I won't call them poor. Although it's normal that there sure are some citizens who lives in poverty yet, they are able to survive due to how cheap things there and they can afford it.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Do you live in China? How do you know that the people there are all poor?

China identifies itself as a developing country. But the US and some Western countries disagree with that because they possess the world's secondlargest economy

It could be argued that China is a special case, and there is still debate about whether it is a developing or developed country.

I doubt that most of the people there are poor. What I can say is that things there are cheap and the people are enjoying that.

And understanding that many of the products are coming from them and they're organized in the production of it, that gives a lot of jobs in mass production of those products.

IMHO, some state or areas in China are already developed. Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Chongqi and many others. It's a big and diverse country as well but I won't call them poor. Although it's normal that there sure are some citizens who lives in poverty yet, they are able to survive due to how cheap things there and they can afford it.

They are the world's factory, the world's second-largest economy and consumer market. They possess technology, military capabilities, and export potential on par with developed powers. I do not think a country with a large proportion of its population living in poverty could achieve these thing

But of course, not the entire country is wealthy, and there will be regions that remain very poor. Because even in the United States and Europe, countries considered wealthy, there are still slums. It is perfectly normal that China still has a certain percentage of poor people.

[icebar]

China’s influence today is more about economics than military force. Through projects like the Belt and Road Initiative, China invests in roads, ports, power, and digital systems in many countries. Even in the Philippines, there have been discussions and projects involving Chinese funding and infrastructure. China also focuses on trade and key resources, which makes many countries economically connected to it. So it is not really “taking over,” but slowly building influence through investments and partnerships instead of force. 

China is a country where despite having the largest population, it has been able to fulfill all the basic needs of every person in that country, only with the materials available in its own country. They do not need to import from outside. In addition, they have also made great progress in the military sector and technology sector. They have the ability to directly compete with the USA. And their business activities are mainly carried out in developing countries, so that those countries also benefit and China also get advantages.

[sunsilk]

I doubt that most of the people there are poor. What I can say is that things there are cheap and the people are enjoying that.

And understanding that many of the products are coming from them and they're organized in the production of it, that gives a lot of jobs in mass production of those products.

IMHO, some state or areas in China are already developed. Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Chongqi and many others. It's a big and diverse country as well but I won't call them poor. Although it's normal that there sure are some citizens who lives in poverty yet, they are able to survive due to how cheap things there and they can afford it.

They are the world's factory, the world's second-largest economy and consumer market. They possess technology, military capabilities, and export potential on par with developed powers. I do not think a country with a large proportion of its population living in poverty could achieve these thing

But of course, not the entire country is wealthy, and there will be regions that remain very poor. Because even in the United States and Europe, countries considered wealthy, there are still slums. It is perfectly normal that China still has a certain percentage of poor people.

Yes, there will be some parts where poverty can be found but it's not the same poverty as shown in other developing nations where they barely eat and have like $1-$3 per day to spend on for food.

They're now dominating almost every industry. The chinese cars are selling like pancakes.

And that means booming industry and more money to the economy of China where they can use it for funding the other industries that are about to grow and as well as the provinces where poverty is likely found.

[emmybd]

China is shifting away from the US dollar in an effort to become less dependent on the United States. The trade battle between the US and China has intensified recently. The value of the US dollar will significantly decline if China lessens its reliance on it. And it is gradually doing it.
Many analysts believe that China will be the number one beneficiary of the Iran war. After the Iran war, the US's decline will be accelerated. China has been working silently for a long time to become the world's most powerful nation. Now it has surpassed the USA in critical technology such as AI, infrastructure and industrial production. Over the past few decades, the United States has unnecessarily involved itself in quite a few wars. On the other hand, China didn't get itself involved in any conflict. It silently worked and increased its influence with soft power.

[M47AK16]

They are the world's factory, the world's second-largest economy and consumer market. They possess technology, military capabilities, and export potential on par with developed powers. I do not think a country with a large proportion of its population living in poverty could achieve these thing

But of course, not the entire country is wealthy, and there will be regions that remain very poor. Because even in the United States and Europe, countries considered wealthy, there are still slums. It is perfectly normal that China still has a certain percentage of poor people.

Yes, there will be some parts where poverty can be found but it's not the same poverty as shown in other developing nations where they barely eat and have like $1-$3 per day to spend on for food.

They're now dominating almost every industry. The chinese cars are selling like pancakes.

And that means booming industry and more money to the economy of China where they can use it for funding the other industries that are about to grow and as well as the provinces where poverty is likely found.

China realized one thing long ago, way before USA ever did. USA always focused on doing the "best" of everything, best phone, best laptops, best cars, whatever, they wanted to be the best. They wanted to make the greatest product and charge a lot and make it a symbol, and it worked, look at apple for example or look at tesla or look at any other big company they have like that. China realized, people are getting poorer, not richer, and that means if they can make a product that is not the best, but affordable and works, then they could get bigger.

So now, every single human who can't afford the "best" of something, rather buys the version that is cheaper but still works as intended, and China is growing bigger because poorer people are higher in population than the rich.

[DrBeer]

They are the world's factory, the world's second-largest economy and consumer market. They possess technology, military capabilities, and export potential on par with developed powers. I do not think a country with a large proportion of its population living in poverty could achieve these thing

But of course, not the entire country is wealthy, and there will be regions that remain very poor. Because even in the United States and Europe, countries considered wealthy, there are still slums. It is perfectly normal that China still has a certain percentage of poor people.

Yes, there will be some parts where poverty can be found but it's not the same poverty as shown in other developing nations where they barely eat and have like $1-$3 per day to spend on for food.

They're now dominating almost every industry. The chinese cars are selling like pancakes.

And that means booming industry and more money to the economy of China where they can use it for funding the other industries that are about to grow and as well as the provinces where poverty is likely found.

China realized one thing long ago, way before USA ever did. USA always focused on doing the "best" of everything, best phone, best laptops, best cars, whatever, they wanted to be the best. They wanted to make the greatest product and charge a lot and make it a symbol, and it worked, look at apple for example or look at tesla or look at any other big company they have like that. China realized, people are getting poorer, not richer, and that means if they can make a product that is not the best, but affordable and works, then they could get bigger.

So now, every single human who can't afford the "best" of something, rather buys the version that is cheaper but still works as intended, and China is growing bigger because poorer people are higher in population than the rich.

This is a distinctive feature of the Western market: their products have high added value, and their prices reflect high wages and high taxes. As a result, the final cost of goods is HIGHER, though the quality is generally high due to the use of advanced technologies.
China started out as a manufacturer of cheap, low-quality goods, but with rock-bottom prices and massive sales in terms of volume. Over time, China’s economy has also become "more expensive"-rising wages and investments have led to increases in both price and quality-that’s a fact.

But you can’t make much money off poor people because of their low purchasing power. There’s another benefit here: you can produce a lot of simple goods-not of the highest quality, but with decent consumer characteristics-while providing jobs for citizens who lack advanced knowledge, education, or work experience. So this is simply "another segment"-let’s call it the budget segment.

[DanWalker]

Many analysts believe that China will be the number one beneficiary of the Iran war. After the Iran war, the US's decline will be accelerated. China has been working silently for a long time to become the world's most powerful nation. Now it has surpassed the USA in critical technology such as AI, infrastructure and industrial production. Over the past few decades, the United States has unnecessarily involved itself in quite a few wars. On the other hand, China didn't get itself involved in any conflict. It silently worked and increased its influence with soft power.

The Chinese economy is heavily dependent on oil import. Therefore, whether they benefit or suffer losses will depend on the outcome of the war.
If the US succeed in cutting off the supply of cheap oil, the Chinese economy will suffer, and vice versa. The war is not over yet, and it is too early to say whether they will be the beneficiaries.

But yes, they have grown too big to be contained. All the US can do is slow down their development, not stop it completely. China has surpassed the US in many areas as well as in global influence.

[Abiky]

They are the world's factory, the world's second-largest economy and consumer market. They possess technology, military capabilities, and export potential on par with developed powers. I do not think a country with a large proportion of its population living in poverty could achieve these thing

But of course, not the entire country is wealthy, and there will be regions that remain very poor. Because even in the United States and Europe, countries considered wealthy, there are still slums. It is perfectly normal that China still has a certain percentage of poor people.

The Chinese government has grown considerably in wealth and global influence over the past decades. But it's still lacking behind the US and other Western countries because of its Socialist model. It's normal to see higher poverty rates in a communist country like China, than in capitalist countries like the US. China would've grown even larger and be more prosperous if it switched to a capitalist model and embraced democracy. Something that it's very unlikely to happen anytime soon.

At least, the growth is a slow and steady one. Being the second-largest economy in the world, does have its benefits. This gives China leverage over countries below it. Only the US stands in between. With American decline at the helm, China might end up ruling the world with Russia at its side. Just saying...

[summonerrk]

China is taking over the world stage without any military actions. All good students on  history will bear me witness that, power has always been taken over by force and military might in the past all global powers has been taken over by military actions. But China the second largest economy in the world and the most populated country in the world is taken over power in the world stage subtly as they continue to expand their interest in all continent without firing a single shot.

How has China been able to do this.

China has been able to successfully lay grib on the rest of the world by  investing in infrastructure and what China terms as strategic investments. Digital networking, investing in infrastructure such as Rail way, power stations, building of hospital and schools, and finally systems. Another thing to consider too is investments in
the world Rare earth minerals and natural resources this is the new world order and China is leading on this areas no wonder more countries are aligning with china. While the West and American is concerned more about using force and military actions to enforce their will on others country just as we are experiencing in the world  today. China is busy expanding more influence on the rest of the world. This is going to count moving forward.

Yes, the whole world is amazed by China and how, over forty years, they've managed to build their economy so well that they've shown incredible GDP growth. There are also many rumors about China, saying they constantly act in their own interests, without making friends. And that's the right approach. Trump, for example, constantly claims that everyone, even the president, is his friend, but then criticizes him the next day. He's an astonishing figure, saying one thing and doing another.

[DrBeer]

Yes, the whole world is amazed by China and how, over forty years, they've managed to build their economy so well that they've shown incredible GDP growth. There are also many rumors about China, saying they constantly act in their own interests, without making friends. And that's the right approach. Trump, for example, constantly claims that everyone, even the president, is his friend, but then criticizes him the next day. He's an astonishing figure, saying one thing and doing another.

Everyone who has taken an interest in the history of China’s economic development knows the answer
These include investments by Western companies, opening the market to Chinese goods, the supply of technology and equipment, staff training, and education at Western universities. Without this, China would have remained an agrarian developing country.

[abhiseshakana]

Yes, the whole world is amazed by China and how, over forty years, they've managed to build their economy so well that they've shown incredible GDP growth. There are also many rumors about China, saying they constantly act in their own interests, without making friends. And that's the right approach. Trump, for example, constantly claims that everyone, even the president, is his friend, but then criticizes him the next day. He's an astonishing figure, saying one thing and doing another.

Everyone who has taken an interest in the history of China’s economic development knows the answer
These include investments by Western companies, opening the market to Chinese goods, the supply of technology and equipment, staff training, and education at Western universities. Without this, China would have remained an agrarian developing country.

Yes, historically China was not ordinary country, but one of the winner of WW II and China are part of US ally along with UK and Uni Soviet against Japan. China become permanent member of UN security council which show its strategic status since post war period, which mean China already had many geopolitical advantages. Even civil war broke but its close relation with US very important on its history and journey to be big power. When US Beijing  relations improved, Deng use this momentum for reformation and industrialization. I think what China actually do is learning from western and east Asia model, and use access to US & Europe market to get foreign income to build infrastructure. This massive development absorbing foreign technology and capital from machine, production management, supply chain and workforce training. What actually China do are learning / studied, and then do adaptation by copying, modificating and then improving.