Gambling on small divisions

[nimogsm]

I know that beach soccer is simply a paradise for match fixing. I once knew someone who told me that it's common practice because there's much less attention paid to this sport and it's a seasonal game. These clubs don't have rich sponsors. That's why club owners agree on the results well in advance, so those close to this information manage to earn not crazy money, but still something.

[Obim34]

The gambling (sports betting) involved doesn’t affect the match unless there’s a match fixing.

I don’t agree that match should be canceled if there’s already betting about the match but sportsbook usually give a much lower odds for small division games due to its being small market and higher chance to have match fixing

There is a likelihood that the match will be fixed already in such situations, doubt raises suspicions and sometimes such suspicions are true. I do not also agree on waking up eventually and decide to cut of all betting on events which i already booked, let it be a known rule at first, no gambling from what division league and downward, let it be the falters facing the punishment, than a few persons who have no idea face the same problem.

[Asiska02]

What do you think about this situation? Should federations have such restrictions against gdmbling in their amateur and lower divisions? And also do you think it's fair for such rules to be enforced in practice after a match has started?

After a match has started, I don’t think such rule should be enacted, it is something to be done prior to the match and not during the match. It hurts seriously but they’re not above the federation that regulates the game. Banning of gambling on this small divisions is actually not a bad idea since they can’t be easily monitored and games here can be easily fixed and a win is given to the team they most desire. So this can really affects casinos giving the odds for such games because most of the game may end up being fixed ones and not as it should be. Games in smaller divisions don’t undergoes good scrutiny, so it gives them the opportunity to also manipulate the game to their favor in respect of the games they already bet on.

[ZeroVinsonN]

I don't have the courage to bet on smaller leagues or amateur leagues; corruption is rampant there, and the vast majority of athletes and teams collude for personal gain. The low salaries and the opportunity to make easy money completely undermine the credibility of betting on these leagues. I think most people feel the same way and avoid this type of betting.

I guess the reason for the whole corrupt system is the fact that they are underpaid which is very bad, this can be as a result of poor management, or the league does not make enough money. What do you do when the season is over? do you take a break till the main leagues resume because most of the leagues that would be active during those times would actually be lower divisions

So maybe the better alternative is to restrict gambling on such leagues rather than preventing them from selling tickets, after the gambling is the problem since games can end up being fixed but if gambling on these leagues was not allowed then the fear of the matches getting fixed will be removed and even more fans would be excited because the idea that the games will play out without any third party influencing it will appeal to more fans.

[suzanne5223]

If the federation has gambling restrictions in the amateur and lower divisions, will this be the solution to manipulation, match fixing, and all sorts of shady activities in amateur and lower division tournaments?
I supported the movement because of the absence of fairness of games in the division have lead to a lot of sports, and gambling fans see the division as a no go area. In fact, the samething happen to some bookies.

[Orpichukwu]

The government is not meant to ban the team or league. Rather, they should restrict them from being listed in gambling sites and sportbooks. A lot has happened in small divisions regarding gambling. It is still happening to date. If strict actions are not taken, the gambling industry will be financially affected due to fixed games in small divisions. Another thing is proper coordination. Small divisions have less attention from the federation, so they are taken less seriously.

This brings me to the question of: do these betting sites and prediction platforms go to these clubs and small leagues to take permission from them before including them as available betting games? I'm asking because, based on the story from the OP, it appears that an abroad gambling site got the matchup for betting, which led to the game cancellation by the federation.

[AmoreJaz]

If the federation has gambling restrictions in the amateur and lower divisions, will this be the solution to manipulation, match fixing, and all sorts of shady activities in amateur and lower division tournaments?
I supported the movement because of the absence of fairness of games in the division have lead to a lot of sports, and gambling fans see the division as a no go area. In fact, the samething happen to some bookies.

If a fan is seeing manipulations or game fixing, I don't think they will attract bettors on this case. So it is up to them if they will ruin the credibility of their league or division. Because in today's digital set-up, you can easily spread some information and go viral for it.

[AVE5]

If the federation has gambling restrictions in the amateur and lower divisions, will this be the solution to manipulation, match fixing, and all sorts of shady activities in amateur and lower division tournaments?
I supported the movement because of the absence of fairness of games in the division have lead to a lot of sports, and gambling fans see the division as a no go area. In fact, the samething happen to some bookies.

Honestly I see those amateur games and teams as an event that one doesn't really have to bet on because they're always playing strangely. You'll assume it's been manipulated and other hands give it a benefit of doubts that the game was fair.
Other times you'll think it was fair but was manipulated. You don't have a data to hold on to in analysing the game before playing. So it's enough for them that has so much expectations with confident all by judging by the he bookie odds.

[Darker45]

If there's a rule against it and it's fairly and strictly implemented, then whether the match has already started or not doesn't matter. It will have to be stopped. It's pointless. Whatever the result, it won't be valid anyway, because the game is played while there's gambling going on.

I'm not in favor of such restriction in collegiate matches and other amateur yet huge and popular leagues. But I'm highly in favor of it if it involves divisions involving younger kids like those in secondary school competitions. Bookmakers should leave them alone.

[Agbamoni]

This brings me to the question of: do these betting sites and prediction platforms go to these clubs and small leagues to take permission from them before including them as available betting games? I'm asking because, based on the story from the OP, it appears that an abroad gambling site got the matchup for betting, which led to the game cancellation by the federation.

I suspect these gambling sites have agents in all the regions. The agents in those regions will be the ones passing information on clubs there, their strength and performance, they act as workers for the gambling platforms, I guess that is how they get most of those unpopular leagues and matches listed on their platform. I doubt they take permission before they list them. Funny enough, most of those leagues dont even know they were listed in a particular sportsbook or betting platform.

[Eternad]

This brings me to the question of: do these betting sites and prediction platforms go to these clubs and small leagues to take permission from them before including them as available betting games? I'm asking because, based on the story from the OP, it appears that an abroad gambling site got the matchup for betting, which led to the game cancellation by the federation.

I suspect these gambling sites have agents in all the regions. The agents in those regions will be the ones passing information on clubs there, their strength and performance, they act as workers for the gambling platforms, I guess that is how they get most of those unpopular leagues and matches listed on their platform. I doubt they take permission before they list them. Funny enough, most of those leagues dont even know they were listed in a particular sportsbook or betting platform.

It’s not the gambling getting approval for the leagues rather the sportsbook provider since casino usually just hired a 3rd party to offer sportsbook and yes they have license and pay sports league.

But I doubt most league are covered especially smaller once. Sometimes there might be some overlap with their coverage vs the actual sports they can cover since all match is available online for sportsbook to offer it to players.

[suzanne5223]

If the federation has gambling restrictions in the amateur and lower divisions, will this be the solution to manipulation, match fixing, and all sorts of shady activities in amateur and lower division tournaments?
I supported the movement because of the absence of fairness of games in the division have lead to a lot of sports, and gambling fans see the division as a no go area. In fact, the samething happen to some bookies.

If a fan is seeing manipulations or game fixing, I don't think they will attract bettors on this case. So it is up to them if they will ruin the credibility of their league or division. Because in today's digital set-up, you can easily spread some information and go viral for it.

Honestly, the game fixing in the amateur and lower divisions has ruined the credibility of the league, which is why some sports betting platforms never provide betting services for the league. Besides, betting in the league has led to misconceptions between a lot of bookies and their users.

If the federation has gambling restrictions in the amateur and lower divisions, will this be the solution to manipulation, match fixing, and all sorts of shady activities in amateur and lower division tournaments?
I supported the movement because of the absence of fairness of games in the division have lead to a lot of sports, and gambling fans see the division as a no go area. In fact, the samething happen to some bookies.

Honestly I see those amateur games and teams as an event that one doesn't really have to bet on because they're always playing strangely. You'll assume it's been manipulated and other hands give it a benefit of doubts that the game was fair.

The game was not fair, but some shady gamblers have used league manipulation as their advantage on some bookies, and if you follow the sports betting accusation once raised by some gamblers, I believe you will have come across it.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Gambling and sports betting are free, it's clear that anyone who wants to bet on lower divisions does so at their own risk and discretion Personally, I wouldn't do it because for me, betting on lower divisions is like losing money , I prefer to bet on professional leagues that have a real level and pace and allow for more concrete analysis.

[coin-investor]

In some countries amateur federations ban gambling and sometimes even will cancel a match for discovering there's a market opened for it.

What do you think about this situation? Should federations have such restrictions against gdmbling in their amateur and lower divisions? And also do you think it's fair for such rules to be enforced in practice after a match has started?

You did not mention these countries, but it's unfair for the team, the fans, and the supporters if they just cancel because they have an expectation that a match is going to happen between teams, only to be cancelled because of the market, over which they do not have control.

They should let the team play against each other because they have prepared for each other, and it will ruin the strategies and plays they have prepared. There should be no separate rules between the amateurs and the big leagues.

[uchegod-21]

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What do you think about this situation? Should federations have such restrictions against gdmbling in their amateur and lower divisions? And also do you think it's fair for such rules to be enforced in practice after a match has started?

It is okay to restrict gambling in small divisions. Someone has already mentioned it earlier,  the risks of manipulations and unnecessary influence are high. Such acts distort the credibility and integrity of the game. However, what I am not comfortable with is how the federation choose to go about implementing those restrictions.

It is not fair for these rules to be enforced when the match has already started. The regulators can do better by announcing the various competitions that gamblers should not bet on during the season, so when the season starts, cases like this will not be recorded. This should save the gamblers and the small divisions the inconvenience they would have suffered. It is also unfair for matches to be cancelled because an English site opened a market. It will be more damaging than if there were no rules.

[lombok]

In some countries amateur federations ban gambling and sometimes even will cancel a match for discovering there's a market opened for it.

What do you think about this situation? Should federations have such restrictions against gdmbling in their amateur and lower divisions? And also do you think it's fair for such rules to be enforced in practice after a match has started?

You did not mention these countries, but it's unfair for the team, the fans, and the supporters if they just cancel because they have an expectation that a match is going to happen between teams, only to be cancelled because of the market, over which they do not have control.

They should let the team play against each other because they have prepared for each other, and it will ruin the strategies and plays they have prepared. There should be no separate rules between the amateurs and the big leagues.

You are not mistaken about emphasising the issue of fairness to athletes who spent time and effort to get ready in technical training. Sportsmanship is usually compromised and long time fans are disappointed when there is too much marketizing in the matches schedules. I concur with this statement that there should be standard rules between amateur and professional league in order to have a competitive integrity. Sustainability of the integrity of the game to avoid the influence of uncontrollable aspects is important to the overall reputation of sports.

[Cantsay]

I know that beach soccer is simply a paradise for match fixing. I once knew someone who told me that it's common practice because there's much less attention paid to this sport and it's a seasonal game. These clubs don't have rich sponsors. That's why club owners agree on the results well in advance, so those close to this information manage to earn not crazy money, but still something.

And it’s ruining it for them, people no longer want to watch these matches because of match fixing; so they get some few bucks play as they had scripted and then at the end of the day instead of getting traction that will eventually make them bigger they instead shrink because of the fixing.

I don’t watch them and never will I bet on a small league, I’d rather go and bet on sports I know nothing about than to bet on one of these matches.

[alani123]

This is one of the times where I post something and responses diverge so greatly from the original point that I can't help but think how many people read the whole OP before posting.

Ok, at least some people got that my post was about ethics. If a small tram stands to gain more from fixing a match to earn from the gambling stake than from the rewards of winning then maybe the league can't support gambling and it should be banned. But probably I wasn't able to convey that point correctly. Anyway, time to lock the thread. At least some responses were valuable.