Newbies calling scam in ANN threads

[mirakal]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

[joeperry]

Personally I don't take them seriously and unless they give a proper evidence and we all know that we have a board for that. I sometimes put them in ignore as I wouldn't be surprised if it was a tactic or a strategy of gambling competitor that wanted to destroy its competition. Now, there are some real newbies (usually they are whales) which really are a victim of gambling site but just like what I've said we have a proper board to discuss it.

There's a lot of tactics a gambling site is doing, there are a lot of newbies who is either spamming ANN threads promoting other gambling site or some of them just go straight accused other gambling site with a lot of shill account to show other people that there's a lot of complaint against them but without proper proof (some of gamblers actually fell for it and think that's legitimate accusation).

[rdluffy]

If you watch for a while, you'll see some patterns repeating themselves here, in the ANN threads or the accusations threads
The vast majority of those making accusations are new accounts that appear out of nowhere to accuse a casino

Obviously, there are genuine cases, casinos make mistakes, and there are users who are genuinely harmed, but when you look at the patterns, you find something strange about the accusations

There can be various reasons for this
This kind of thing is very problematic because it makes you think twice and creates uncertainty for new users and can damage a company's reputation, even if only temporarily

[qwertyup23]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

From your post alone, I emphasized what you mentioned regarding these ANN threads created by newbies.

Like you mentioned OP, if someone accuses a casino of a scam without providing any evidence to support their claim, then would you believe it? Perhaps this is a method used by some newbies in order to destroy the reputation of a casino.

Similar to criminal and/or civil cases in real life, if you accuse someone of a crime without providing any proof (lone testimony without anything), then the judge or the prosecutor would dismiss the case and not entertain your complaint.

There's a lot of tactics a gambling site is doing, there are a lot of newbies who is either spamming ANN threads promoting other gambling site or some of them just go straight accused other gambling site with a lot of shill account to show other people that there's a lot of complaint against them but without proper proof (some of gamblers actually fell for it and think that's legitimate accusation).

This is exactly the reason on why this forum created a board specifically for scam accusations. If you see a post alleging that a casino scammed someone but they failed to provide any screenshots at all, then just ignore it. Accusation is not synonymous to guilt.

[Accardo]

The internet is a shady place, expect to see unexpected things happening amongst competitors, don't know what could be the source of the false accusations but something must be behind such activities coming often from newbies. Experienced players may know that it's not real, but visitors could find it as a warning and miss out or stop in their decisions of going for a specific casino because of the kind of fake review left on their ANN. Any kind of post like that with no strong evidence is best to be reported and removed to help a clean and serene reading environment in the forum.

[Kasabus]

Newbie accounts throwing scam accusations without any proof should be banned. All they’re doing is trying to paint a negative image of casinos with nothing to back it up.

Some of them do attach “evidence”, but that still needs to be verified. Screenshots alone don’t automatically mean anything.

That said, if a casino doesn’t bother responding to scam accusations at all, that already raises questions. It doesn’t make sense to stay active in your ANN thread, posting promos and updates, while completely ignoring complaints. If you’re here to build a good reputation, replying to accusations should be the first thing you do, not something you avoid.

[Wapfika]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

Most of the time they are the real scammers. They are abusing the casino and once caught they are blackmailing the casino by attacking the casino reputation especially Bitcointalk which every opinion was viewed even by newbie.

There’s always a pattern from this users that indicates they are operating in a group to abused casino.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

No evidence = ignored

[salad daging]

Often ignore newbie accounts that accuse casinos on ANN without any evidence by just throwing nonsense words there, if there is no evidence then we don't really believe it.

If the newbie account needs to make an accusation in the format provided, then provide strong evidence then we believe it can be a valid accusation, whether it is the casino itself that is violating or the player himself violating the rules.

It's just that accusations from newbies are often not taken seriously, once we played at the casino we didn't experience any problems.

[freedomgo]

If we’re being unbiased, we shouldn’t be judging a case based on the accuser’s rank. What really matters is the evidence.

Whether it’s a newbie or a Hero account, if there’s no proof, those posts are basically just spam and should be deleted. They only end up hurting casinos that might not have done anything wrong. The observation itself is valid, I’ve noticed it too. But at the same time, there are newbies who come in with solid proof attached, and that’s where the community should actually step in and help.

[adultcrypto]

I find this trend very disturbing because if a casino scam a player from this community, there is absolutely no harm in such a persons reputation in using his known account to bring such issues here. This means the newbies claiming to have been scammed may not be active users of this community, they only remember here when they have problem and that makes a lot of us feel dismissive of their claims. Why must it always be newbie accounts making those claims when all of us use those casinos and you will rarely see establish members of the forum with such claims of being scammed?

[Porfirii]

And, even in the case they have reasons to complaint, without a track record in this forum and solid proof about the scam they claim they've suffered, I don't think they will exert pressure of any kind for the casino to solve their supposed problem either, if that was their intention.

I suppose it will depend on the specific case: some will be simply with the intention of defaming, whether from the competition or not; others will be real; and perhaps some will be from veteran users who do not want to reveal their identity. But in the latter cases, they should already know how it works and should provide real evidence...

[Eternad]

If we’re being unbiased, we shouldn’t be judging a case based on the accuser’s rank. What really matters is the evidence.

Whether it’s a newbie or a Hero account, if there’s no proof, those posts are basically just spam and should be deleted. They only end up hurting casinos that might not have done anything wrong. The observation itself is valid, I’ve noticed it too. But at the same time, there are newbies who come in with solid proof attached, and that’s where the community should actually step in and help.

This is the right thing to do since it will avoid generalizing that all newbie complaining is scammers. Not all gamblers don’t Bitcointalk account especially if they just saw the casino on social media. They just later on created an account here by searching on the casino related forum in the web.

However, The OP specifically pointed out newbie that post half baked scam post on casino ANN thread to create negativity on casino reputation.

I believe most of them are fake complainant if they can’t provide further proof.

[julerz12]

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

I try to be fair. Newbie or not, if their initial post lacks evidence and substantial proof (which often do not follow the suggested format in posting a scam accusation), I try to tell them to post their proofs and evidence, then, at least, properly format their accusation. The way I see it, if they are indeed in need of help (most usually the reason why they are here in this forum), they'll do everything to update their post and present whatever proof they have. If those newbies are just here to troll, they'll likely not even bother to read and respond to my/our suggestions. That's when I simply ignore them.

[asriloni]

Just remember casino remain innocent until they proven the guilty. So a random scam accusation from newbies with no evidence is worthy enough to be abandoned. At least until they can provide enough proof to support their scam accusation.

An organic scam accusation will always be followed with the evidence. If it's not,  we can argue it's just an attack to ruin casino's reputation.

[Hispo]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

I usually ignore them as they do not provide any actual evidence or something we could take in consideration to take them seriously.

Also, it is worth nothing that someone who is a newbie on the forum is not necessarily need to gambling, so there is a chance something fishy actually happened while they were gambling, but statistically it is more likely they were just reacting emotionally to their losses on those casinos and needed to vent somehow.

In any case, we already have a scam accusation section on this forum and those people should make a proper use of those sections and learn how to submit their cases.

[Rockstarguy]

So far as casinos exist, there will always be accusations, but anyone without evidence is considered to be making mere accusations, which we can't tell if they are true or not. I don't really know why it is mostly newbies who always accuse casinos, often without evidence.

I don't know what could be the motive for this, but one thing about the forum is that any accusations without evidence do not have any weight and won't be taken seriously at all. For me, I just think that accusations from newbie accounts without evidence can be a strategy to demarket a casino, because I wonder if one is being scammed, why shouldn't they come with evidence?

[panjul07]

There are 2 possibilities why newbies do not provide evidences when they try to post their accusation against a casino in this forum;
1. They are truly newbies who do not know how to post accusation with proofs/evidences.
For this case, once I saw a newbie post accusation but there is no proof, I'll ask them to provide it first.
If they have too many reasons not to provide it then they are belong to the #2 below:
2. They have no other intentions except to spread FUD, to make a site look bad, etc.
For this case, better to ignore them. 

[Patikno]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

Honestly, I often ignore such false accusations, as most of them are simply boasts without providing any evidence. I suspect there is a motive behind such accusations, and they could be a form of black campaign, meaning they are simply trying to target a casino they dislike for various reasons. So, I don't think we should pay attention to such claims. Unless a user provides evidence, and is in good faith (not rude in their delivery), I will pay attention. I have often encountered complaints from newbies, and I ignored it because for me it was just a waste of time on unimportant things. Furthermore, I believe sanctions are necessary for newbie users who make accusations without evidence.

[terrific]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

If those are serious posts and accusations, they'll back it up with a proof.
But if they're just accusing the casino they put on their subjects without anything to prove it.
Then, it's just all about them losing their money and ranting that they might take back their losses through those accusations.
And if that's the latter, they don't need to be taken seriously.

[OgNasty]

There are plenty of people who go around screaming scam in this community. It is honestly quite a reflection of themselves that their mind immediately thinks scam every time they see something. Like the only way their mind can process someone doing something is to scam. A little incite to their minds…