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[lovesmayfamilis]

What would you do in your example with negative tags? As you can see, this user has only one negative review left regarding loan defaults, while other users have completely different claims. Will fulfilling one obligation affect the decision to delete a negative review of a completely different nature? I don't think so, because trust has been undermined, and anyone who changes their mind is likely to be deceived by this user again in the future, but that's their problem. However, this should in no way affect the warning for everyone else who, for some reason, does not know the true identity of the person to whom the flag and the negative tag were addressed.

[Odohu]

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

My opinion is this, issues have been settled between the two interest parties, others who go involved to help resolve the issue should therefore withdraw their statements, actions, and restrain from further actions. Even in the legal system, when a case is settled out of court, every other person will shirt their sword. I don't know if this forum operate that way but that is the right thing to do.

[Btcdeybodi]

Even in a law court, if a case is being retracted, it doesn't generally mean that other judgements are rendered useless so if someone creates a flag for violation of a contract and others support the flag and afterwards the case is being settled between both parties, every other person who supported the flag has the right to keep supporting the flag or remove/oppose it but inasmuch as the plaintiff has withdrawn the case, the opinion or judgement of others do not count anymore except they want to raise a fresh case. This is the reason why before a flag should be created, it should be on a clear case of fraud or scam when it is evident that the accused is unready to settle the dispute but in the case of the user whom OP created this thread for, i have read some of his replies when the accused made it clear that he doesn't have the intention to scam and now he has proven it. His reputation might be ruined but it's a good feeling walking around knowing that you are debt free and didn't scam anyone of their money .

[SuperBitMan]

They can be summoned to state their reasons for leaving the flag. Probably they had other experience with same user on varying occasions and since yours was somehow related, they decided to leave their tag as well. So even if you settled with the user X and renounced your tag, their reasons may still be intact. But if they had no experience with user x but was supporting your flag, then it would be moderate to change their flag as well..though it depends.

If they have other reasons then they should have their own flag that will explain their reasons. The flag created by me should not mix with any other cases otherwise it will become confusing, won't it be?

I agree with you Royse777 on this, if someone is accused of a particular crime and because of that he was convicted and later the person that accused him comes out and say his not the person we all think he is, and says his a good person and they have settled and he dropped the case I think those that also convicted him should also drop the case and if you still have something you feel his still guilty about then you bring it on and then let people judge because an accused person is presume to be innocent on till proven guilty.

[JeromeTash]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3504269;dt
What will be your opinion about this flag? The loan related issue settled and seeing the supports on the flag related to loan now inappropriate to me.

The recent development is the User X (in this case Obari) settled his loan related issue with the accuser (shasan) and the accuser is eventually happy end of the day, removed his support from the flag as well as the reg tag related to the loan default.

I will PM the others who is still supporting this flag and would like to know their opinion too.

I wasn't notified earlier on regarding this since I am not receiving any tag notifications at the moment since my TG account is unavailable. I am going to remove my support for the flag. I did not leave any negative feedback before so all should be good

But this should be a wake-up call to future business partners and lenders. They shouldn't ignore past feedback when dealing with the user or issuing loans. Like I said, you can't just fuck up your trust and expect it to be regained overnight in a community.

[nutildah]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3504269;dt
What will be your opinion about this flag? The loan related issue settled and seeing the supports on the flag related to loan now inappropriate to me.

The recent development is the User X (in this case Obari) settled his loan related issue with the accuser (shasan) and the accuser is eventually happy end of the day, removed his support from the flag as well as the reg tag related to the loan default.

I think you meant to post this link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3472

I've always been of the opinion that if a flag is withdrawn, then I should withdraw my support for it as well; especially in this case b/c the flag creator is asking people to remove their support for it:

I want to confirm that I have received it and also I have deleted my opinion as well as I have Removed my negative trust regarding the loan default. So, I am hardly requesting all of you who have suppored the flag, please remove the support and who have given negative trust regarding the loan, please remove the negative trust, thank you.

BTW I have updated my tag on the user in question as well, in the interest of fairness.

The thing is this particular person has a huge army of accounts which have been used to cheat campaigns and evade bans for like 6 years now. Most I think are caught and tagged by this point but not all.

I think it sets a bad example for the forum to hire these types of accounts for any campaign. It sends the message that its okay to lie and cheat. If a campaign manager wants to allow alt accounts or red tagged accounts in their campaign, they should just say so in the application requirements, then nobody can complain when they do.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3504269;dt
What will be your opinion about this flag? The loan related issue settled and seeing the supports on the flag related to loan now inappropriate to me.

The recent development is the User X (in this case Obari) settled his loan related issue with the accuser (shasan) and the accuser is eventually happy end of the day, removed his support from the flag as well as the reg tag related to the loan default.

I will PM the others who is still supporting this flag and would like to know their opinion too.

I was supporting the flag and I had left the person involved red trust. It seems the loan issue has been resolved and shasan is happy to draw a line under this so that’s good enough for me.

I have removed my flag support and deleted my red trust rating. Potentially a neutral tag would be suitable but I have decided not to leave one.

[The Cryptovator]

Maybe remind them about the status of the accusation?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3504269;dt
What will be your opinion about this flag? The loan related issue settled and seeing the supports on the flag related to loan now inappropriate to me.

The recent development is the User X (in this case Obari) settled his loan related issue with the accuser (shasan) and the accuser is eventually happy end of the day, removed his support from the flag as well as the reg tag related to the loan default.

I will PM the others who is still supporting this flag and would like to know their opinion too.

Today Obari contacted me through Telegram to oppose the flag, and it seems opposing the flag is reasonable to me. Because the reason for creating the flag has been solved. On the current flag system, opposing is the best option for me. But admin should think about adding a delete button for the flag or deactivating the flag by the creators. So we don't need to DM everyone to oppose again the raised flag. I think it's necessary to add the delete or deactivate button on the flag. Currently we can just delete opinions.

Regarding feedback about the concerned issues, DM it to DT members or other members who left it. There is no alternative except excluding them. Also excluded by you or with some other DT1 members, won't be enough to remove someone from DT members. It depends on the trust list. However, convincing them is the best policy for now. But unless it's related to the raised flag (like your example), likely DT members won't consider removing their feedback.

However, this question also came to my mind when I saw the flag: "Why is there is no delete or deactivate option for the raised flag?"

Btw, you may change the title if you like it; see my reply's title.

[JeromeTash]

However, this question also came to my mind when I saw the flag: "Why is there is no delete or deactivate option for the raised flag?"

Btw, you may change the title if you like it; see my reply's title.

I think it is intentional by admin

If the individual members have to support the flag so that it is active, then the option to just delete the flag should not be there.

The original accuser can withdraw their support, but they can't delete the flag. So other users could take it up even if they withdraw.

Flags need to be actively supported.

Imagine a scenario like that of Ratimov who had gone rogue, where he decided to delete all the ratings, and if it were possible, even all the active flags he had created and were supported by members. it would be a mess.

[shasan]

So hypothetically saying.

Something unexpected happened in a deal with a user X, I create a flag and sent a red tag, I also made it public and others followed the same path as me. Later user X was able to sort out the issue with me, I am happy with the end. I removed my support from the flag and removed the red tag. However, I thought a message should be given to others and I left a neutral statement (not to sound negative or positive but a plain statement) as a note for others.

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

The community is to support each other not to destroy each other. We must have to help each other if we cant help then we may ignore but there is no reason to destroy others. For example when anyone default a loan from me and I create a scam accusaion against that user then community support the flag so that everyone can be aware and no one would like to deal with that user. And if the problem solved then the case should be dismissed and in this case we have to remove the support of the flag and remove the negative tag which was based on the case. If there is other case then that is other subject we should not inturrupt with that.

[AB de Royse777]

What would you do in your example with negative tags? As you can see, this user has only one negative review left regarding loan defaults, while other users have completely different claims. Will fulfilling one obligation affect the decision to delete a negative review of a completely different nature? I don't think so, because trust has been undermined, and anyone who changes their mind is likely to be deceived by this user again in the future, but that's their problem. However, this should in no way affect the warning for everyone else who, for some reason, does not know the true identity of the person to whom the flag and the negative tag were addressed.

Pardon me, seems like I confused you and some others too. To be clear, I wanted to address only the loan matters. Not the alt and anything else.

I think it sets a bad example for the forum to hire these types of accounts for any campaign. It sends the message that its okay to lie and cheat. If a campaign manager wants to allow alt accounts or red tagged accounts in their campaign, they should just say so in the application requirements, then nobody can complain when they do.

Since I am one of the campaign manager of this community, let me take the chance to address it.

I certainly don't allow more than one account in a single campaign (I have a rule about it). If I find out that more than one account applied from a single person, I warn them and ask not to do it again otherwise they will get tag. I could tag them immediately but I always is a soft person (I guess and allow to give chances without destroying someone completely. Sometimes it brings criticism to me but that's okay. I do what I feel is right to do). One can hate it but the truth is many people depends on the income from this community. Thanks to Bitcoin and the ecosystem created by Bitcoin around this community. In my opinion, it's very powerful.

When a person have more than one account and if they join in different campaign from those accounts, it's fine to me.

Regarding red tags. these days red tags don't feel that it needs to take seriously. Some of the users made red tag valueless. So when I see a red tag on any users trust scoring, I first check who sent it. If it's a person who I feel is in DT but has no personal evil agenda to establish, not a character who retaliate quickly, not a character who is always ready to give out red tag then I consider their tags seriously.