Is AI Your Best Friend or Worst Enemy? 🤖

[Free Market Capitalist]

But even after so many years and so many threads, there's still no rule change from admin.

From what I remember from a thread on the subject some time ago, this is because the uses of AI are covered by the rules. Copying and pasting from AI without citing it would be plagiarism, whereas citing or mentioning that you have used AI if you are paraphrasing and adding human content to what the AI has produced would not be. The same applies to posting images created with AI, or translating from other languages into English, etc.

I remember a moderator saying that a while ago, but my memory may be deceiving me.

[Ucy]

One of the main reasons people will most likely be against AI assisted contents for the forum is fear that the owners will take over their positions and make their own contents less favorable . Society could remain stagnant or backward because of such people unless there is some kind of revolution, forceful intervention or miracle. The reason why great ideas never make it through even though they may be good for society is fear of losing power or becoming less wealthy, so the original idea get watered down or discarded while society remains backward. There has to be progress. If it's going to negatively affects someone for the good of the collective so be it.  


 I like the idea of making it clear that a content is AI assisted. They can go as far as being specific, for example: grammer assisted only,  AI assisted but all the ideas are mine, etc.
Afterall people use dictionary or stuff like Microsoft word to help enhance contents, and it's possible that in the early days of this things, they were resisted by people who didn't want to lose out.  

Nevertheless, a post has to be original with only some significant enhancements in order to be acceptable to the forum



It's important to note that I have never use AI for contents I posts here. Not sure I will use it in the future, except maybe for grammer enhancement. I'm more concerned about people who struggle with English but know what they are doing. A human or AI assistant could help make a difference and their ideas eventually contribute positively.to society

[devlin85]

Eye-Opening Insights Revealed!

Lately, I’ve noticed a growing number of complaints about AI usage scattered across the forum. This frustration is understandable—it’s been derailing legitimate threads and sparking off-topic debates in places where they don’t belong.

To address this head-on and maintain focus, I’m launching this dedicated thread as the go-to spot for all AI-related discussions, debates, and insights.

Let’s funnel that passion here and keep other threads on track!

Now, let’s dive into AI 🤖

In our fast-evolving world, AI is omnipresent and irreversible—it’s quietly embedding itself into everyday life, from recommendations to automation, often without fanfare.

This thread is your hub for unpacking the facts, weighing the pros and cons, brainstorming potential forum rules, and deciding what’s permissible versus off-limits.

Starting with the Essential—key facts to ground our discussion:

   •   AI is a potent tool, ultimately shaped and directed by its human operator.

   •   Like any technology, AI has inherent limitations. It shouldn’t be trusted blindly; always verify and peer-review its outputs.

   •   AI detection tools are imperfect, prone to false positives and negatives.

   •   BitcoinTalk lacks official guidelines or policies on AI usage—yet.


The Compelling Pros: Why AI Will Revolutionize Our World!

   •   Blazing Speed and Insight: AI analyzes vast datasets in moments, revealing patterns and trends that might elude even the sharpest human minds. Though still maturing, envision an ultra-intelligent aide with real-time access to the web’s collective knowledge!

   •   Creativity Catalyst: Platforms like ChatGPT excel at ideation, counterarguments, and innovative problem-solving, fueling breakthroughs in projects big and small.

   •   Democratizing Access: AI breaks down barriers, distilling complex ideas into digestible forms, empowering beginners to learn, contribute, and thrive.

   •   Fortified Security: Advanced AI detects fraud, scams, and hacks with precision, safeguarding communities like ours.

   •   Enhanced Objectivity: By minimizing emotional bias, AI promotes fairer, more professional exchanges and decision-making.

The Alarming Cons: The Dark Side of AI’s Power!

   •   Employment Disruption: AI’s automation potential threatens jobs across sectors.

   •   Inherent Biases and Flaws: Fed flawed data? AI outputs misinformation, skewed analyses, or outright errors—garbage in, garbage out.

   •   Privacy and Resource Strain: AI’s data-hungry nature invades privacy while its processing demands can overwhelm servers, causing lags, crashes, or systemic vulnerabilities.

   •   Deception Dangers: From deepfakes to automated spam and scams, AI could infiltrate and undermine forum integrity.


Thought-Provoking Questions: Fuel the Debate!

   1.   How might we craft balanced AI regulations for BitcoinTalk that encourage innovation without inviting abuse?

        2.   How do we regulate without stifling AI’s legitimate usage?

   3.   Does AI-generated content (art, code, posts) qualify as “original” for merits, bounties, or rewards?

   4.   Ethical crossroads: Should undisclosed AI assistance be banned to ensure authentic, human-driven conversations?

   5.   What’s the fuss about AI? Share your top arguments in favor—and against.

   6.   Is an AI-assisted post inherently spam? Where do we draw the line between helpful enhancement and unwanted noise?

       7.     How can we truly certify or verify a post is AI generated if AI detection analyst tools are not 100% accurate?

       8.     If AI detection analyst tools are not 100% accurate and can read false positives or negatives can we count on them?

       9.   In non-AI threads, should mentions of AI be permitted, or do they inevitably derail productive dialogue?

      10.     Could it marginalize human contributors in forums, leaving bots to rule the roost?

      11.     What do you consider to be the strongest positive and negative impacts of AI?

      12.     Does utilizing AI inherently make users “Lazy” or “unintelligent”?

      13.   Ultimate verdict: Friend or foe? Where do you stand on AI’s role in our lives and community?


Share your personal stories, experiences, or wild ideas below. Let’s make this a respectful, enlightening exchange that could shape forum policies!

The goal here is to kill the stereotypes, end AI derailments, shine light on facts, and possibly create some official policy’s regarding AI on the Forum.

Eager to hear from you all!


Disclaimer: AI was indeed utilized to enhance this post; this is not spam. This is a genuine attempt to improve the forum and its policies regarding AI, as well as to direct AI disputes and discussions from unrelated threads here.
 

me personally any thing that makes life simpler i am all for so ai is not a disadvantage for me. i know others think it will take over and humans become extinct lol but we need ai as much as ai needs us to keep evolving so having ai around can help us in so many difefrent ways im all for it.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Reserved—I am an AI advocate and will be happy to make counterarguments in favor of AI usage, although I do not support spam or the utilization of AI to do 100% of the work.

It would be rather strange to say the opposite at a time when AI has become your third hand. Whether you like it or not, those who rely on AI will soon inevitably begin to degrade, as their thought processes stop working, and those who do not "rock" their brains steadily slide into the abyss of stupidity, a place where it is very difficult to think independently, as the brain simply atrophies.
In the very near future, we will see human robots that cannot communicate with each other at all and who simply cannot live without this tool called AI. It's boring and sad, but it's a fact. It has been repeatedly noted that today's youth, with all advanced technologies, are quite stupid compared to their parents, or even their parents' parents, since AI completely weans them from thinking.

me personally any thing that makes life simpler

Here's an example of someone who wants everything to be very, very simple.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I think this adequately sums up how AI is to be used.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5574214.0

You should not copy/paste text written by an AI into a post, with these exceptions:
 - If you clearly mention that something you're posting is AI-generated, and you only occasionally and appropriately post such AI-generated text, then that's OK.
 - If you have the AI do almost a direct translation of something you wrote, then that's OK. For example, you can tell the AI to "Directly translate this text into Spanish: <something you wrote>" or "Output the following text exactly as-is, except with any clear spelling or grammar mistakes fixed: <something you wrote>". It's not OK to tell an AI, "Improve this text: <something you wrote>", since then it will mostly rewrite it, and it risks becoming AI slop in the process.
 - Non-text AI content such as art is OK (subject to the normal rules).

You can use AI to suggest grammar/style improvements, or to give you ideas, with you manually implementing those suggestions; but avoid directly copying more than a few words from the AI. However, I recommend against ever relying on AI writing advice very much, since mixed in with its good suggestions it'll usually also give bad suggestions which will just erase all personality from your writing. Better your writing be flawed and authentically-you than "correct" but stripped of any soul.

so huge walls of text that are primarily AI generated should not be used - plain and simple. Doesn't matter if it "took hours" or if it was edited etc - posts should be primarily manual not AI. So posts where the majority is AI are not allowed. The first post of this thread being one such example.

[Mitchell]

Message to Moderator Michell, this post belongs in Meta not in off topics.—I will be moving this topic back to Meta for the following reasons: https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNQ_639a401a-516b-49d7-92c0-daa8ea315888

Not sure why you are calling me out, since I'm 99% sure that I didn't touch your topic. In fact, I agree that discussions about AI usage on the forum should be here (in Meta).

Just to be clear, global moderator/administrators can move your topics as well. Me being a moderator in Off-Topic doesn't stop them for moderating your posts/topics.

[howardsentell]

I have observed that the unofficial rules do not reference AI, which I believe is a major concern for our forum. People often interpret arguments differently. It is essential to respect different outlooks. While I acknowledge that depending exclusively on AI is not ideal, it has the ability to enhance the quality of most projects. Raw unedited writing can often be difficult to interpret. The initial public response to Bitcoin appears similar to current attitudes toward AI. Thanks Kaz for this informative post.

[philipma1957]

It is a tool which can be bad or good depending upon the way it is used.

Ie
 "bang! bang! Maxwell's silver hammer
  came down upon her head
  clang! clang! Maxwell's silver hammer
 made sure she was dead"

above is a bad use of a tool.

but I found the lyrics via google search a good use of a tool

[Kazkaz27]

It is a tool which can be bad or good depending upon the way it is used.

Ie
 "bang! bang! Maxwell's silver hammer
  came down upon her head
  clang! clang! Maxwell's silver hammer
 made sure she was dead"

above is a bad use of a tool.

but I found the lyrics via google search a good use of a tool

I have a riddle for you as well.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. You can beat a dead horse, but it stays dead. If a dead horse comes back to life, don’t just lead it to water—drown it. ⛧💀🌊

That being said, DTC!—Don’t Trust Cats… I mean, Rats! 🐀

[vapourminer]

posters i even think are too much like AI are 99% straight to my extensive ignore list. for others whos writing style has always been kinda AI like (and always been that way) well i know they are human. or closer to human than machine anyway.

i come here for human input. i can get machine power anywhere.

[philipma1957]

posters i even think are too much like AI are 99% straight to my extensive ignore list. for others whos writing style has always been kinda AI like (and always been that way) well i know they are human. or closer to human than machine anyway.

i come here for human input. i can get machine power anywhere.

Proper use of AI is fine.
 Writing in stream of consciousness is fine.

Hiding behind AI is simply wrong.

[DireWolfM14]

although I do not support spam or the utilization of AI to do 100% of the work.

You are guilty of spam, and literally have used AI to create 100% of several of your posts.  There's no doubt in my mind that you've taken my arguments, plugged them into Grok, and had it generate a counter argument.  The result is thoughtless deflection, whataboutism, and reversal of accusations.  Saying you don't support spam and flat out lying about how you use AI is absolutely laughable.

[howardsentell]

I think this adequately sums up how AI is to be used.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5574214.0

You should not copy/paste text written by an AI into a post, with these exceptions:
 - If you clearly mention that something you're posting is AI-generated, and you only occasionally and appropriately post such AI-generated text, then that's OK.
 - If you have the AI do almost a direct translation of something you wrote, then that's OK. For example, you can tell the AI to "Directly translate this text into Spanish: <something you wrote>" or "Output the following text exactly as-is, except with any clear spelling or grammar mistakes fixed: <something you wrote>". It's not OK to tell an AI, "Improve this text: <something you wrote>", since then it will mostly rewrite it, and it risks becoming AI slop in the process.
 - Non-text AI content such as art is OK (subject to the normal rules).

You can use AI to suggest grammar/style improvements, or to give you ideas, with you manually implementing those suggestions; but avoid directly copying more than a few words from the AI. However, I recommend against ever relying on AI writing advice very much, since mixed in with its good suggestions it'll usually also give bad suggestions which will just erase all personality from your writing. Better your writing be flawed and authentically-you than "correct" but stripped of any soul.

so huge walls of text that are primarily AI generated should not be used - plain and simple. Doesn't matter if it "took hours" or if it was edited etc - posts should be primarily manual not AI. So posts where the majority is AI are not allowed. The first post of this thread being one such example.

Mopar, your statement about AI is your opinion, not a rule. Everyone has the right to their opinion. AI like BTC was resisted at first. If you use it to write your material that is not ok but if it improves your work thats fine. Many posts on the forum are hard to understand and AI would help. Some might call it spam or useless but that is not the case. The same narrative is being used. The votes are clear and right now they say yes to AI.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Mopar, your statement about AI is your opinion, not a rule. Everyone has the right to their opinion. AI like BTC was resisted at first. If you use it to write your material that is not ok but if it improves your work thats fine. Many posts on the forum are hard to understand and AI would help. Some might call it spam or useless but that is not the case. The same narrative is being used. The votes are clear and right now they say yes to AI.

I was quoting the forum administrator.... Theymos. You may want to go read his post.

[OgNasty]

AI has helped me track down some autographs from legends for sports memorabilia that I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. It has been a massive help.

That being said, it also gaslights the hell out of you. I worry about the people who think AI gives them nothing but the truth. If you give me 20 minutes with a chatbot, I can have it agreeing that the world is flat. People have to be smart enough to know what AI is and isn’t capable of or they will be embarrassingly misled.

[howardsentell]

although I do not support spam or the utilization of AI to do 100% of the work.

You are guilty of spam, and literally have used AI to create 100% of several of your posts.  There's no doubt in my mind that you've taken my arguments, plugged them into Grok, and had it generate a counter argument.  The result is thoughtless deflection, whataboutism, and reversal of accusations.  Saying you don't support spam and flat out lying about how you use AI is absolutely laughable.

Wolf there should never be an argument just a discussion with opinions you agree or disagree. Arguments start when you target a member. Kaz is a talented writer, and if he uses AI, its to improve his content. AI is not spam if someone uses it for their idea. How do you know Kaz used Grok completely unless you used it yourself? AI is your opinion not a rule. The votes are clear and right now the members say yes to AI.

Mopar, your statement about AI is your opinion, not a rule. Everyone has the right to their opinion. AI like BTC was resisted at first. If you use it to write your material that is not ok but if it improves your work thats fine. Many posts on the forum are hard to understand and AI would help. Some might call it spam or useless but that is not the case. The same narrative is being used. The votes are clear and right now they say yes to AI.

I was quoting the forum administrator.... Theymos. You may want to go read his post.

The forum should focus more on outrageous behaviors not on the already established use of AI.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Mopar, your statement about AI is your opinion, not a rule. Everyone has the right to their opinion. AI like BTC was resisted at first. If you use it to write your material that is not ok but if it improves your work thats fine. Many posts on the forum are hard to understand and AI would help. Some might call it spam or useless but that is not the case. The same narrative is being used. The votes are clear and right now they say yes to AI.

I was quoting the forum administrator.... Theymos. You may want to go read his post.

The forum should focus more on outrageous behaviors not on the already established use of AI.

maybe so - but you should still read his post - use of AI improperly can now lead to bans from the forums - either temp or perm

[DireWolfM14]

Kaz is a talented writer, and if he uses AI, its to improve his content.

If you were a talented writer you wouldn't need AI, and your content wouldn't need improvement.  As far as I know you're barely literate, which is why you lean so heavily on it.  And stop referring to yourself in the third person, everyone knows these two accounts are run by the same person.  It just makes you look like a psycho.

AI is your opinion not a rule.

You know very well this is no longer the case.

The votes are clear and right now the members say yes to AI.

You seem to be living in an alternate reality.  Maybe you are psycho.  Have you seen a doctor about that?

[howardsentell]

Kaz is a talented writer, and if he uses AI, its to improve his content.

If you were a talented writer you wouldn't need AI, and your content wouldn't need improvement.  As far as I know you're barely literate, which is why you lean so heavily on it.  And stop referring to yourself in the third person, everyone knows these two accounts are run by the same person.  It just makes you look like a psycho.

AI is your opinion not a rule.

You know very well this is no longer the case.

The votes are clear and right now the members say yes to AI.

You seem to be living in an alternate reality.  Maybe you are psycho.  Have you seen a doctor about that?

You keep making negative comments. Can you have a discussion without going sideways? If you need support lmk. I pray things get better for you Wolf.

[Kazkaz27]

This forum continues to go down the gutter with members like Wolf’s Rhetoric. I support his delisting from from DT1.

~DireWolfM14

It’s sad other DT1 members support his persistent negative behavior and defend his status through complicity and silence.

I too pray for his well being.