[NEWS]Brazil Wants Stricter Age Verification for Minors in Online Gambling.

[Dogedegen]

So you are saying visiting bitcointalk to read or a gambling website to gamble is like visiting a country where a person can rob other people or kill someone or sell drugs? This is madness and I will not even continue to talk to you, crazy talk and lack of understanding of the real world

If you are accessing content that is forbidden in your country, you are committing a crime. this is not different than doing any other thing in person in your country that is forbidden. Recommending others to commit crimes for activities that are dangerous and do not bring any benefit like gambling is just evil. If gambling is disallowed, people from that country should not gamble. It is time to be responsible adults and learn to accept where life takes you.

If we accept the idea that "Anyone should be able to insult others and make fun of anything" - then we must guarantee and ensure safety both online and offline, right? That’s the essence of the law...
But let’s take it further-anyone has the right to access any information about anyone else in order to uphold freedom of speech, and then, using that information, "be able to insult others and make fun of anything", for example, low income, not owning an apartment, a funny last name, or not having a family. Right? Or is “that something else”?    Or is freedom of speech a selective concept?

If the information is available on the internet and be accessed by people, why should someone not be able to use that against you? Freedom of speech is not a concept, you should be able to insult someone with anything. Accessing information that is confidential is another crime that has nothing to do with freedom of speech though. Last name, not having a family is not confidential in formation, but information about income may be depending on the details. If you hear about it from another person without committing any crime to get this information, then you should be able to use it. If you commit a crime to get this information, for example you intercept the post or hack into some database then you will get punished for that but you could still make insults with it. You won't get punished for the speech if it is free, you will be punished for the crime for getting the information if it can be proven. People need to grow a thick skin as some others say here, accept that you are whatever you are in this example poor.  Trying to use the country to defend you from others making fun of your poverty is just a bad way at trying some escapism and coping but it does not work well.

The verification processes essentially already exist and are being carried out; what the authorities need to ensure is that they are effective. I know someone who had to verify their age by submitting a photo, and the process confirmed they were 18, even though they were actually younger. And the photo was genuine, unaltered. I agree that there should be stricter controls to prevent minors from engaging in activities not intended for them, but that doesn't guarantee it will work.

This means that casinos are the ones that will be asking players from Brazil about their verification and anyone that does not do it will not be given access to access the casino full functionality. This is a good approach by the Brazilian government but it will affect those gamblers that don't want their information to be exposed online. Maybe gamblers will start accessing NoKYC casinos but I know that they are not many and they could be forced to follow the mandatory regulations of the government.

They can do that, but the important option is to have a choice and to consider this as a wake up. If you prefer to not submit KYC more than you prefer to gamble, people should be smart and use this as an opportunity to stop gambling. It seems to me that people try to make each situation as negative as possible, when it could be completely positive. I do not like submitting KYC to exchanges, and since all exchanges of the traditional kind require KYC I just do not use them anymore. There is no need to be upset like some people about measures that are good like the fight against online gambling of minors.

[junder]

This means that casinos are the ones that will be asking players from Brazil about their verification and anyone that does not do it will not be given access to access the casino full functionality. This is a good approach by the Brazilian government but it will affect those gamblers that don't want their information to be exposed online. Maybe gamblers will start accessing NoKYC casinos but I know that they are not many and they could be forced to follow the mandatory regulations of the government.

If this is properly implemented by the casino and as you say with anyone who does not do it will not be given access to use the full features of the casino is certainly good, on the other hand the casino can be firm with the rules it makes and I support this.

in fact I think whether it is a country that allows gambling or not, by setting this option is a good step especially in countries that do legalize gambling, because even though it is allowed does not mean anyone can be free to gamble, so there should still be an age limit.

[wakier]

This is the casino's fault for allowing the underage to have access to gambling and use their platform, is this not for the reason why they always require users to supply their kyc, so that they can make the necessary verification for users before accepting them into their platform for use, but today, reverse is the case because there is no measures being effective and well stationed to cub the incidence of allowing children to gamble.

Actually, Casinos never allow children to gamble, but sometimes there are naughty individuals who influence children to gamble, this can happen due to environmental factors, etc., so we can't blame the casino because most casinos now have implemented KYC, which means minors cannot gamble unless they are naughty and use someone else identity. Casinos do have a bad impact on anyone, but that doesn't mean they are free to be used by anyone, even the casinos themselves never force someone to gamble if it's not their own will.

[bakasabo]

This is the casino's fault for allowing the underage to have access to gambling and use their platform, is this not for the reason why they always require users to supply their kyc, so that they can make the necessary verification for users before accepting them into their platform for use, but today, reverse is the case because there is no measures being effective and well stationed to cub the incidence of allowing children to gamble.

Actually, Casinos never allow children to gamble, but sometimes there are naughty individuals who influence children to gamble, this can happen due to environmental factors, etc., so we can't blame the casino because most casinos now have implemented KYC, which means minors cannot gamble unless they are naughty and use someone else identity. Casinos do have a bad impact on anyone, but that doesn't mean they are free to be used by anyone, even the casinos themselves never force someone to gamble if it's not their own will.

We should not blame casino if children gamble. It is absolutely parents fault, omission, shortsightedness, unluck if their children happened somehow to get familiar with gambling and gambling content. On the other side how can we blame parents for content that their children watch (it is close to impossible to monitor and filter everything), who are their friends and what they talk about. It is absolutely not casinos fault if people are greedy, if people try to earn by gambling.

[Bryan jessy]

This is the casino's fault for allowing the underage to have access to gambling and use their platform, is this not for the reason why they always require users to supply their kyc, so that they can make the necessary verification for users before accepting them into their platform for use, but today, reverse is the case because there is no measures being effective and well stationed to cub the incidence of allowing children to gamble.

Actually, Casinos never allow children to gamble, but sometimes there are naughty individuals who influence children to gamble, this can happen due to environmental factors, etc., so we can't blame the casino because most casinos now have implemented KYC, which means minors cannot gamble unless they are naughty and use someone else identity. Casinos do have a bad impact on anyone, but that doesn't mean they are free to be used by anyone, even the casinos themselves never force someone to gamble if it's not their own will.

We should not blame casino if children gamble. It is absolutely parents fault, omission, shortsightedness, unluck if their children happened somehow to get familiar with gambling and gambling content. On the other side how can we blame parents for content that their children watch (it is close to impossible to monitor and filter everything), who are their friends and what they talk about. It is absolutely not casinos fault if people are greedy, if people try to earn by gambling.

No parents will permit their children to go into gambling knowing fully well how gambling can impact them negatively, some of this kids goes into gambling due to the kind of friends they keep; peer pressure when they see their friends who are making cool money from gambling they will be forced or tempted to give it a try and from there they keep playing and  get consumed by the game. Kids are very smart nowadays, as a parent you can not possible monitor everything a kid does especially at teen age this level is difficult to control but a good home training and watching the kind of friends they make is very important, this inclusion of a kyc for age verification is a good initiative but it has be strictly set because they might still manipulate.

[Dogedegen]

If this is properly implemented by the casino and as you say with anyone who does not do it will not be given access to use the full features of the casino is certainly good, on the other hand the casino can be firm with the rules it makes and I support this.

in fact I think whether it is a country that allows gambling or not, by setting this option is a good step especially in countries that do legalize gambling, because even though it is allowed does not mean anyone can be free to gamble, so there should still be an age limit.

Actually many people that are against measures like the one proposed in this thread do not understand that there is no other way. So either gambling can be made accessible to everyone, which means that children and addicts can also access it or it has to be regulated. To have any kind of functioning regulation and to enforce restrictions on certain groups there is simply no other way, and anyone who is claiming that there is is lying to you. There is no technological solution that could be applied that could do this other than good KYC that combines facial movements with documents. The only real alternative is even worse because they could make technology producers create KYC check on the level of hardware, so to even access a phone or computer you could be asked to do KYC. And this alternative is much worse than having to submit KYC to optional services like gambling. Everyone can live without ever using these websites if they don't want to do KYC.

[Yorubek]

It’s a good initiative,underaged are not expected to visit the casino.It would be great if the law to be enforced is strictly handled.There was a day I was walking pass a casino hall and I saw an underaged in the midst of other adults placing bet,I was so pushed so I had to ask him why was he there and he told me that he’s dad asked him to go and place a bet on he’s behalf,I don’t really know if the boy was lying but to an extent I believed because most parents don’t care about the future of their children.So if the law would be passed,those parents that expose their children to gambling should also be warned.Mostly these children get exposed to gambling through ads,so ads should be a bit regulated in the aspect of gambling sites.

It is true that gambling by underaged is absolutely wrong, it is very important to take strict measures so that children do not face the destruction of gambling at a young age. Greed or passion through gambling can completely destroy any person. It is very important for parents to be aware at all times so that their children do not face the destruction of gambling at a young age. As a result, it is very important for us to be aware that children do not destroy their beautiful lives without realizing it.

[bakasabo]

This is the casino's fault for allowing the underage to have access to gambling and use their platform, is this not for the reason why they always require users to supply their kyc, so that they can make the necessary verification for users before accepting them into their platform for use, but today, reverse is the case because there is no measures being effective and well stationed to cub the incidence of allowing children to gamble.

Actually, Casinos never allow children to gamble, but sometimes there are naughty individuals who influence children to gamble, this can happen due to environmental factors, etc., so we can't blame the casino because most casinos now have implemented KYC, which means minors cannot gamble unless they are naughty and use someone else identity. Casinos do have a bad impact on anyone, but that doesn't mean they are free to be used by anyone, even the casinos themselves never force someone to gamble if it's not their own will.

We should not blame casino if children gamble. It is absolutely parents fault, omission, shortsightedness, unluck if their children happened somehow to get familiar with gambling and gambling content. On the other side how can we blame parents for content that their children watch (it is close to impossible to monitor and filter everything), who are their friends and what they talk about. It is absolutely not casinos fault if people are greedy, if people try to earn by gambling.

No parents will permit their children to go into gambling knowing fully well how gambling can impact them negatively, some of this kids goes into gambling due to the kind of friends they keep; peer pressure when they see their friends who are making cool money from gambling they will be forced or tempted to give it a try and from there they keep playing and  get consumed by the game. Kids are very smart nowadays, as a parent you can not possible monitor everything a kid does especially at teen age this level is difficult to control but a good home training and watching the kind of friends they make is very important, this inclusion of a kyc for age verification is a good initiative but it has be strictly set because they might still manipulate.

Parents wont permit, but you cant catch a child who is about to open casino webpage to stop him. Or close his ears when his friend starts telling about gambling. I dont think KYC is the solution, because I think I have never seen a casino that asks to pass KYC straight after registration. All you need to do is to verify email and you can start gambling. KYC triggers after person played for some time or tries to withdraw. At that moment, a child might be already familiar with what gambling is.

[Patikno]

It’s a good initiative,underaged are not expected to visit the casino.It would be great if the law to be enforced is strictly handled.There was a day I was walking pass a casino hall and I saw an underaged in the midst of other adults placing bet,I was so pushed so I had to ask him why was he there and he told me that he’s dad asked him to go and place a bet on he’s behalf,I don’t really know if the boy was lying but to an extent I believed because most parents don’t care about the future of their children.So if the law would be passed,those parents that expose their children to gambling should also be warned.Mostly these children get exposed to gambling through ads,so ads should be a bit regulated in the aspect of gambling sites.

It is true that gambling by underaged is absolutely wrong, it is very important to take strict measures so that children do not face the destruction of gambling at a young age. Greed or passion through gambling can completely destroy any person. It is very important for parents to be aware at all times so that their children do not face the destruction of gambling at a young age. As a result, it is very important for us to be aware that children do not destroy their beautiful lives without realizing it.

Gambling by minors is extremely dangerous for their development, and can potentially lead them to irresponsible gambling. This is because minors typically aren't able to think clearly, and they are easily tempted to act without careful consideration. Therefore, I believe that strict action to limit gambling by minors is highly appropriate, as it can also protect the nation's future generations, and allowing them to focus more on learning more while they are still growing.

[Dogedegen]

It is true that gambling by underaged is absolutely wrong, it is very important to take strict measures so that children do not face the destruction of gambling at a young age. Greed or passion through gambling can completely destroy any person. It is very important for parents to be aware at all times so that their children do not face the destruction of gambling at a young age. As a result, it is very important for us to be aware that children do not destroy their beautiful lives without realizing it.

Gambling and similar things are so dangerous to children, many people underestimate just how bad it is and they use this to deny the reality which is quite brutal. If a child is exposed to gambling or stuff that is similar to gambling for some time like loot boxes, they are basically almost surely going to have problems their whole life! Sadly many people are afraid to admit that because of their decisions they have harmed their own or other people's children permanently, that is the problem. As we can see these days, many people have problems with discipline in gambling, in health and in everything and it is only going to be worse for younger generations. This is why it is important to have laws like this.

Parents wont permit, but you cant catch a child who is about to open casino webpage to stop him. Or close his ears when his friend starts telling about gambling. I dont think KYC is the solution, because I think I have never seen a casino that asks to pass KYC straight after registration. All you need to do is to verify email and you can start gambling. KYC triggers after person played for some time or tries to withdraw. At that moment, a child might be already familiar with what gambling is.

I want to say two things here. First of you can't just say KYC does not work for this and not provide a better solution if it exists at all. If a better solution does not exist, the KYC is the best solution for this that it exists. It does not have to be perfect, it just has to prevent enough damage. Secondly, the way that you mention KYC here to dismiss it is wrong. You are talking about some KYC after win situations, those are not designed by governments to prevent minors for gambling. In the case that we have here, KYC would be mandatory before you are even able to play on the platform at all. That is very effective for preventing children from gambling. There are ways in which it can be evaded, but that will only work for some children and because of that it will have a high rate of effectiveness.