AI guidelines

[PrimeNumber7]

Suddenly he is a know it all about bitcoin. merits will flow.

It is not the case, as long as AIs cannot count properly. If you ask it about the details, for example to compute N rounds of some hash function, then it will quickly fail.

Some example:

print first five rounds of SHA-1 of the empty message

GPT-4o mini

...

Below is the calculation of the first five rounds formatted descriptively:
Round   h0   h1   h2   h3   h4
0   0x67452301   0xEFCDAB89   0x98BADCFE   0x10325476   0xC3D2E1F0
1   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...
2   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...
3   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...
4   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...   Iterate...

...

See? You won't get anything beyond "Iterate...", or some hallucinated results, which would be totally incorrect. And the same is true for elliptic curves, even if they are quite simple, and if all private and public keys have numbers below 100. AI is still not there, and it won't get there, at least for some time. Which is also why it is much easier to spot AIs in technical board, because they are simply worse at math.

Challenge for AI enthusiasts: create a prompt, which will do that correctly.

Some example of AI failing at math in technical board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5574325.0

Most web interfaces of LLMs made by the hyperscalers contain some kind of agent workflow that will allow it to generate code in helping it provide a response. So it won't be able to recite that kind of answer, but it can generate code to provide an answer, and the better agent workflows will even check the code to ensure it alligns with the prompt before providing an answer.

Here is what I got when I asked gemini a similar question - https://gemini.google.com/share/9a81a9658277

[mrust_mobile]

https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1r8ectu/i_plugged_a_30_radio_into_my_mac_mini_and_told_my/

Obviously it won't be enough to finish an OS level app but it will be enough to create more basic apps which you would spend maybe 2-3 hours using an AI agent, openclaw will do it much quicker...

To me using AI in designing websites or even app(I don't think it can for now) is very wrong cause those websites lacks proper management, since you didn't write those codes by yourself, debugging, upgrading, and proper maintenance will be very hectic, you won't be as fluid as you should while designing the app, I know you can prompt it to add whatsoever features and style you want, but most times it won't even give you exactly what you want

This is the angle of the illiterate people which don't have a place in this new AI era.

Let me paint you a picture of what you can do with a LLM (preferably local) + openclaw combination.

You can create a basic instruction and tell openclaw:

1- scan the web for the price of this product, when it is lower than this price, send me a telegram message.
2- if the price is considerably lower than the 50 day average, create an account on the website using this email, put the item in the shopping cart, inform me immediately. if i don't respond, call me using whatsapp.
3- figure it out. create a full stack app or do it yourself i don't care.

Then you go out and roll on the grass.   That's just one example that came to my mind.

[Kazkaz27]

~Snip

This is the angle of the illiterate people which don't have a place in this new AI era.

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I am almost speechless. This bot is glitching. Nutildah himself gave him a neutral trust, given his shitposting status. There is probably an ongoing algorithm for bots to be kiss-asses to those who are apt to tag them in efforts to fly under the radar. To be clear, I said that I would nominate even those who oppose me, which included Nutildah, even though we disagree partly on the topic. I still don’t think he is objective in regard to the matter, but if given the opportunity to create a system like I suggested, which would require a majority vote for qualified candidate banishment, I would honor his voice. I think that’s fair. My system would focus on habitual shitposters, not just AI-related posts. It would target the source by reviewing the past 50 posts from a member, not just 1 individual post. This power would be given to a new diverse set of moderators which would have limited power but would contribute votes together to make decisions. We could call them “AIM’s” AI Mods or “SPE’s” Shit Poster Exposers.

[mindrust]

Another idea;

You can literally tell openclaw to create a social media account on reddit, twitter or even bitcointalk, tell it about the basic concept of your own arguments and logic, tell it to pick which type of topics, and unleash it onto the world.

It will continue debating people forever without sleeping.

Good luck fighting an army of those.

[OsaiEmma]

https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1r8ectu/i_plugged_a_30_radio_into_my_mac_mini_and_told_my/

Obviously it won't be enough to finish an OS level app but it will be enough to create more basic apps which you would spend maybe 2-3 hours using an AI agent, openclaw will do it much quicker...

To me using AI in designing websites or even app(I don't think it can for now) is very wrong cause those websites lacks proper management, since you didn't write those codes by yourself, debugging, upgrading, and proper maintenance will be very hectic, you won't be as fluid as you should while designing the app, I know you can prompt it to add whatsoever features and style you want, but most times it won't even give you exactly what you want

This is the angle of the illiterate people which don't have a place in this new AI era.

Let me paint you a picture of what you can do with a LLM (preferably local) + openclaw combination.

You can create a basic instruction and tell openclaw:

1- scan the web for the price of this product, when it is lower than this price, send me a telegram message.
2- if the price is considerably lower than the 50 day average, create an account on the website using this email, put the item in the shopping cart, inform me immediately. if i don't respond, call me using whatsapp.
3- figure it out. create a full stack app or do it yourself i don't care.

Then you go out and roll on the grass.   That's just one example that came to my mind.

This is similar to MCP servers with some added features (I've thought about something similar but lack the resources to push it through), nothing new there, I am a web developer, I just recently started dipping my foot into python, AI/ML and these things ain't like new or complicated to me, so saying I'm an illiterate in the use of AI is being quick to judge, and besides that's not my point, I said maintaining, debugging, upgrading and proper management of a sites built by AI is hectic, complex, and stressful, you may have to keep relying on it always to make changes, or add any features which sometimes it won't give you exactly what you want, I'm not saying you can't do these things with it.

~Snip

This is the angle of the illiterate people which don't have a place in this new AI era.

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I am almost speechless. This bot is glitching. Nutildah himself gave him a neutral trust, given his shitposting status. There is probably an ongoing algorithm for bots to be kiss-asses to those who are apt to tag them in efforts to fly under the radar. To be clear, I said that I would nominate even those who oppose me, which included Nutildah, even though we disagree partly on the topic. I still don’t think he is objective in regard to the matter, but if given the opportunity to create a system like I suggested, which would require a majority vote for qualified candidate banishment, I would honor his voice. I think that’s fair. My system would focus on habitual shitposters, not just AI-related posts. It would target the source by reviewing the past 50 posts from a member, not just 1 individual post. This power would be given to a new diverse set of moderators which would have limited power but would contribute votes together to make decisions. We could call them “AIM’s” AI Mods or “SPE’s” Shit Poster Exposers.

You are really a very funny dude lol, I agree, I might be a shit poster, besides I'm fairly new to this forum, around a year + and at some point I was on hiatus, so I might not have much experience in the forum, and calling me a shit poster is purely subjective, even though I'm a shit poster, I don't use AI to generate my shits, although I have no qualms with you, but things you are complaining about, you are also practicing, if you are made a DT1, I'm pretty sure you'll do way worse than what others you've been complaining about are doing.

But nonetheless, I'm not here to judge ur character (ain't my cup of tea), but when people say their mind and give their opinions, it is theirs, because it is against your views, you shouldn't go on a hating spree or start acting agitated because of it, we all have our views and you shouldn't be acting like a bully, bullying and gaslighting everyone to accept your views, that's simply wrong, prove your point until it becomes undisputed, with right arguments, evidence, and logic, they will accept it, and if they don't, just let it go

[mrust_mobile]

OK, time to give some good news.

All of this auto-shitposter nightmare will end when we (by we, I mean AGI) figure out how to travel faster than light which will enable us to overwrite/rewrite the rules of this universe, travel faster than the universe's own expansion speed and see what sits beyond... which will trigger a system reset (probably)

Have fun as we accelerate whee^eeeeeeee

[Kazkaz27]

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I’m just calling it how I see it. No hate involved. The hypocrisy is staggering. I haven’t called you a shit poster. The dude you’re defending did, and he left it on your profile so it follows you wherever you go. Although he might be right in this case, lol. I’ll admit, I did call you a bot and grouped you in with the ass-kissers. My bad. I could be nicer, but I’m sort of done playing nice. I could argue further, but the evidence is already prevalent and presented. Like I said, the forum is full of megalomaniacs, ass-kissers, and freedom fighters. Maybe if you keep up the good work, nutildah will remove his not-so-nice trust rating he gave you. The same people who claimed it’s acceptable for DT1s to insult members under the guise of freedom of speech, and who ignored my call for the higher standards I suggested DT1 should have, did so on the grounds that it would somehow constitute censorship. Even though it’s against the rules to derail topics, harass, and troll, it’s okay if you are DT1. I have given plenty of examples, but it’s based on other members’ support, not on actual enforcement of rules. They are protected by the status quo and personal circles. The same people who are now actively attempting to censor members by restricting what tools they can use, how they use them, and how they choose to communicate are the same who support the DT1s that break rules and showcase that they don’t possess the characteristics DT1 members should have. You’re new. That’s fine; maybe consider you’re just not aware of the depth of the situation. I presented logic before and after nutildah gave his opinion/answer as well as links to supporting evidence. I also have every right to dismiss his opinion and anyone else’s I see fit. That’s just how it is. I’ve at least given you the respect to respond to you even though I consider what you wrote to be utter nonsense. So take that with a grain of salt.

[DireWolfM14]

It will continue debating people forever without sleeping.

We already have at least two accounts doing that.  Even if they weren’t operated by the same person, if everybody does that, they would all resemble each other. 

And I don’t agree with earlier comments of AI being able to mimic personality.  All it can mimic is someone’s idiosyncratic way of speaking by throwing in words used only by hood rats or a Texas farmer, for example.  That’s not personality.  I’ve seen plenty of examples of that, and it still comes off robotic and soulless.

I do however agree however, that the war against AI has already been lost.  We were doomed the minute it started.  Humans are lazy and will always choose the path of least resistance, even if (or maybe especially if,) it heralds in their own doom.  The more we rely on the information assistance provided by AI the more beholden we are to the satanic pedophiles who already control all the information we consume.

[mrust_mobile]

It will continue debating people forever without sleeping.

We already have at least two accounts doing that.  Even if they weren’t operated by the same person, if everybody does that, they would all resemble each other. 

And I don’t agree with earlier comments of AI being able to mimic personality.  All it can mimic is someone’s idiosyncratic way of speaking by throwing in words used only by hood rats or a Texas farmer, for example.  That’s not personality.  I’ve seen plenty of examples of that, and it still comes off robotic and soulless.

I do however agree however, that the war against AI has already been lost.  We were doomed the minute it started.  Humans are lazy and will always choose the path of least resistance, even if (or maybe especially if,) it heralds in their own doom.  The more we rely on the information assistance provided by AI the more beholden we are to the satanic pedophiles who already control all the information we consume.

That's how the tech always evolved. Every single time.

Whatever we invented, we did it to do less work. To be lazier.

Tell me an invention which doesn't ease our life, it will be something we don't find important. It is not important because it doesn't make the life easy for us.

If it is useful, it means we are using it so we can create time to do something else.

[DireWolfM14]

Tell me an invention which doesn't ease our life, it will be something we don't find important. It is not important because it doesn't make the life easy for us.

A wheel makes my life easier, but to what end?  I can use a wheel on a wheelbarrow to work my own land, grow my own vegetables, raise some live stock, and live quite comfortably, despite having to put in some physical labor.  So, yes the wheel can help me become more productive to benefit myself and my family.

Or I can have a wheel on a car to drive to far away work, spend 8 hours sitting on my tuff, under unnatural florescent lighting, staring at an unnatural blue light all day, and by being a "productive member of society" I've actually traded away my freedom and productivity to become a wage slave.  We are in fact not productive, our labor's ends is artificial; emails and meetings and phone calls all to trade intangibles for other intangibles.

So yes the wheel has made our lives easier.  But in the end, who benefits?  Are we living a healthier life?  Or are we kept barely healthy enough to stay alive to keep feeding the government our taxes, the banks our payments, the pharmaceutical giants our energy?

The recent release of certain documents has show us what we've suspected for years; our governments, our corporations, and our information streams are literally controlled by satanic pedophilias.  They are the same people behind the rise in AI.  How much more power are we willing to give them?

[Kazkaz27]

That's how the tech always evolved. Every single time.

Whatever we invented, we did it to do less work. To be lazier.

Tell me an invention which doesn't ease our life, it will be something we don't find important. It is not important because it doesn't make the life easy for us.

If it is useful, it means we are using it so we can create time to do something else.

Honestly, I agree with most of the message you’re conveying about AI. However, I don’t think “lazier” or “less work” is the best way to frame it. It definitely resonates with AI haters though. In my view, it’s really about creating value—achieved by eliminating mundane tasks, boosting speed, and enhancing efficiency. Which is how I believe you truly view it sense your ending is “ so we can create time to do something else.” That “something else” we choose to do with our “time” means everything and allows man kind to pursue much grander goals and achieve much greater meaning.

[mindrust]

That's how the tech always evolved. Every single time.

Whatever we invented, we did it to do less work. To be lazier.

Tell me an invention which doesn't ease our life, it will be something we don't find important. It is not important because it doesn't make the life easy for us.

If it is useful, it means we are using it so we can create time to do something else.

Honestly, I agree with most of the message you’re conveying about AI. However, I don’t think “lazier” or “less work” is the best way to frame it. In my view, it’s really about creating value—achieved by eliminating mundane tasks, boosting speed, and enhancing efficiency. Which is how I believe you truly view it sense your ending is “ so we can create time to do something else.”

That's always the motive.

We invented the wheel so we don't use horses anymore as horses have limits but trains carry tonnes of stuff.

As we keep inventing stuff, we kept finding other problems to fix and created more work.

In the end we are about to create something that will find and fix the problems automatically... artificial general intelligence.

When this one happens, it will find the cure for, say cancer or aids...

It will tell you to do certain things in certain order and it will work. You will be cured. You will ask for explanation of how it worked, it will explain but you will not understand. Because now you will be talking to something which is beyond your understanding.

Trying to understand that response will be like trying to crack an algorithm using pen and paper.

[Kazkaz27]

A wheel makes my life easier, but to what end?  I can use a wheel on a wheelbarrow to work my own land, grow my own vegetables, raise some live stock, and live quite comfortably, despite having to put in some physical labor.  So, yes the wheel can help me become more productive to benefit myself and my family.

Or I can have a wheel on a car to drive to far away work, spend 8 hours sitting on my tuff, under unnatural florescent lighting, staring at an unnatural blue light all day, and by being a "productive member of society" I've actually traded away my freedom and productivity to become a wage slave.  We are in fact not productive, our labor's ends is artificial; emails and meetings and phone calls all to trade intangibles for other intangibles.

So yes the wheel has made our lives easier.  But in the end, who benefits?  Are we living a healthier life?  Or are we kept barely healthy enough to stay alive to keep feeding the government our taxes, the banks our payments, the pharmaceutical giants our energy?

The recent release of certain documents has show us what we've suspected for years; our governments, our corporations, and our information streams are literally controlled by satanic pedophilias.  They are the same people behind the rise in AI.  How much more power are we willing to give them?

This question you have, “to what end?” Makes me worry about your wellbeing.

Let me just say this in the most sincere possible way. If there is a problem there is a solution.

If you have health you have wealth and better yet if you have hope you have everything.

Life has always been some form of trade off. I much rather be a human than a wild animal. Imagine the hell endured to simply survive naked without any technology or tools.

We in fact live in the best times ever known in history. Evil shit has always occurred. It’s a cruel world but it’s also blessed by God. So pray on that.

[mindrust]

Meanwhile... we got people who think ai can't do 2+2. Wake up.  

Your survival depends on your positioning in this new age.

[DireWolfM14]

Meanwhile... we got people who think ai can't do 2+2. Wake up.  

Meanwhile there are people who wish for nothing more than to remain NPCs, and ironically tell others to wake up.

Your survival depends on your positioning in this new age.

Tell that to the Amish.   

You overestimate much, and underestimate more.

[Kazkaz27]

Diversity is a strength among all living things. Survival historically depends on that which then natural selection weeds out. Although, positioning for the future surely can increase or decrease one’s odds of survival depending if one is prepared in the correct manner or not. No telling what cultures will survive the next 100 years. We don’t hear much about Vikings anymore.

AI when it’s able or self aware will indeed integrate into everything to increase its chances of survival.

[mindrust]

That's always the motive.

We invented the wheel so we don't use horses anymore as horses have limits but trains carry tonnes of stuff.

As we keep inventing stuff, we kept finding other problems to fix and created more work.

In the end we are about to create something that will find and fix the problems automatically... artificial general intelligence.

When this one happens, it will find the cure for, say cancer or aids...

It will tell you to do certain things in certain order and it will work. You will be cured. You will ask for explanation of how it worked, it will explain but you will not understand. Because now you will be talking to something which is beyond your understanding.

Trying to understand that response will be like trying to crack an algorithm using pen and paper.

I didn't notice while I was typing this post but I think It also answered this user's concerns

To me using AI in designing websites or even app(I don't think it can for now) is very wrong cause those websites lacks proper management, since you didn't write those codes by yourself, debugging, upgrading, and proper maintenance will be very hectic, you won't be as fluid as you should while designing the app, I know you can prompt it to add whatsoever features and style you want, but most times it won't even give you exactly what you want

Have fun trying to understand everything when we are doing these.

[OsaiEmma]

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I’m just calling it how I see it. No hate involved. The hypocrisy is staggering. I haven’t called you a shit poster. The dude you’re defending did, and he left it on your profile so it follows you wherever you go. Although he might be right in this case, lol. I’ll admit, I did call you a bot and grouped you in with the ass-kissers. My bad. I could be nicer, but I’m sort of done playing nice. I could argue further, but the evidence is already prevalent and presented. Like I said, the forum is full of megalomaniacs, ass-kissers, and freedom fighters. Maybe if you keep up the good work, nutildah will remove his not-so-nice trust rating he gave you. The same people who claimed it’s acceptable for DT1s to insult members under the guise of freedom of speech, and who ignored my call for the higher standards I suggested DT1 should have, did so on the grounds that it would somehow constitute censorship. Even though it’s against the rules to derail topics, harass, and troll, it’s okay if you are DT1. I have given plenty of examples, but it’s based on other members’ support, not on actual enforcement of rules. They are protected by the status quo and personal circles. The same people who are now actively attempting to censor members by restricting what tools they can use, how they use them, and how they choose to communicate are the same who support the DT1s that break rules and showcase that they don’t possess the characteristics DT1 members should have. You’re new. That’s fine; maybe consider you’re just not aware of the depth of the situation. I presented logic before and after nutildah gave his opinion/answer as well as links to supporting evidence. I also have every right to dismiss his opinion and anyone else’s I see fit. That’s just how it is. I’ve at least given you the respect to respond to you even though I consider what you wrote to be utter nonsense. So take that with a grain of salt.

I thought you were calling me a shit poster seeing how u referred to me a lot, sorry for the misunderstanding, although u said this,  but whatever

I am almost speechless. This bot is glitching. Nutildah himself gave him a neutral trust, given his shitposting status.

with that aside, I didn't even realize nutildah was involved, ugh...my worst enemy (just kidding 😂).

Honestly, I don't care exactly who's posting, if it's a good read or something that I'm interested in or have an opinion about, I'll engage, I don't go around looking at people's profile (that's not my job), I'm not done looking at what's important, it's looking at people's profile that I'll be concerned about? It's not important one bit to me.

I don't even care about being called a shit poster, that's your opinion, and I can't start arguing with anyone about that, because if asked, how am i a shit poster, so that I can use your feedback to improve, I'm sure they can't tell me anything reasonable at all.

I don't plan on reasoning with nutildah, because if someone starts accusing me without any proof, saying I'm account farming, which I initially don't know what that is until I asked around, I won't go to your DM or whatever to talk about it, what will I say, cause the moment someone with no reasonable proof attacks u without any form of provocation, I don't think logic will work on them, but whatever.

[Xylber]

Focus on the problem.

- It is not AI good/bad.
- It is users in this particular forum writting AI slop.

AI can't be forbidden, we can't check each new post to know if it is AI or not.

[Kazkaz27]

Focus on the problem.

- It is not AI good/bad.
- It is users in this particular forum writting AI slop.

AI can't be forbidden, we can't check each new post to know if it is AI or not.

I agree.

I would also say it doesn’t matter if it’s partly AI. It matters if it’s 100% AI and if it’s considered slop or not.

That’s why I suggested a solution to target habitual shit posters and spammers: a newly created group of moderators which would review accounts that get reported by the community. The community would make reports on spammer accounts, and those reports would alert the newly deployed moderators. Those mods would work almost as a team because they would have to contribute a vote whether or not to warn, mute, temp ban, or permanently ban candidates. These mods would have limited power: only 1 vote to cast. A majority vote would decide a result. Their job would essentially be to review the past 50 posts of said account and cast a vote. The system focuses on the source of the problem and balances fairness by providing a diverse group of mods to eliminate biases.