I found an AI

[notocactus]

I don't even know how the forum survived 10 years without AI...   

In this regard, it is up to campaign managers to ensure that they only accept users who are clearly participating in the forum, without resorting to generating AI-generated data in a generalized way.

Users in the forum and participants in campaigns only or a little bit more softly to say, mostly use AI when they have no time for posting. It's clear and very noticeable that they use AI to maximize total posts they can make, you know not only from that account.

It's quite interesting to see AI users for posting have very good merit stats that in theory should be good and quality posters as it's weird if they could earn a lot of merit while they are not good posters. Only three noticeable things: good merit history, shitposting history, and AI use, are very enough to conclude about these accounts as well as their reasons of using AI for posting.

Forum will exist without AI users for posting but they will not stop doing that because they can rank up easily - I am not sure will they get more troubles of ranking after latest policy change on AI from theymos, but I'm doubtful that it can prevent them ranking up speedily and easily.

[Majestic-milf]

This should be fun. I’m waiting for @Ivystar5 reply on this thread, as far as I can tell he’s online and should have noticed this thread by now. He did make a post on the Theymos recent AI guideline thread on meta so he definitely frequents this board.

He just responded before you dropped yours. Guess you missed it. Well, the explanation looks halfbaked to me so let's see if they would have something better than what they dropped.

[fillippone]

Yeah, it's good initiative to detect and humiliate them, and I saw the new AI guidelines thread, but let's just be honest. What's the point? As long as posts are paid to be made, and AI technology allows for infinite text generation, there's an asymmetric incentive to just use AI in this place.

I don't even know how the forum survived 10 years without AI...   

In this regard, it is up to campaign managers to ensure that they only accept users who are clearly participating in the forum, without resorting to generating AI-generated data in a generalized way.

I suspect in a short time frame users using AI to post would post better content that jibberish signature poster are doing right now.
This is going to be a very huge problem for campaigns managers.

[SatoPrincess]

This should be fun. I’m waiting for @Ivystar5 reply on this thread, as far as I can tell he’s online and should have noticed this thread by now. He did make a post on the Theymos recent AI guideline thread on meta so he definitely frequents this board.

He just responded before you dropped yours. Guess you missed it. Well, the explanation looks halfbaked to me so let's see if they would have something better than what they dropped.

Yeah he dug himself a bigger hole. Don’t expect any other explanation from him, the account has not posted since it was given a signature ban. I suspect the owner is taking a long break from that account to focus on his alts or create new ones.

[joker_josue]

Users in the forum and participants in campaigns only or a little bit more softly to say, mostly use AI when they have no time for posting. It's clear and very noticeable that they use AI to maximize total posts they can make, you know not only from that account.

It's quite interesting to see AI users for posting have very good merit stats that in theory should be good and quality posters as it's weird if they could earn a lot of merit while they are not good posters. Only three noticeable things: good merit history, shitposting history, and AI use, are very enough to conclude about these accounts as well as their reasons of using AI for posting.

Now I'm curious.

Can you name a user with very good merit statistics who made 5 posts using AI in a single week, and specify which posts they were?

[Btcdeybodi]

In this regard, it is up to campaign managers to ensure that they only accept users who are clearly participating in the forum, without resorting to generating AI-generated data in a generalized way.

For campaign managers to avoid accepting AI users in signature campaigns it will be a very tedious work for them to do (i mean going to every applicant's post history to look for AI generated posts) but the best they can do is to hire someone who can do the job of going through each campaign participant's post history weekly to check if they can identify any user who is using AI to make posts for them. This is the best way to get rid of AI users in signature campaigns IMO.

[SamReomo]

That's right, people will always make mistakes. But it seems to me that this technique, which was shown by OP, will already be taken note of by AI lovers, and the citation of the post will be checked every time. Just like all the subsequent experiments that you asked to know about as a demonstration, they will be taken into account by those who abuse AI. Didn't the same thing happen when we showed connections by wallets and other coincidences? The cheaters have become more attentive, and maybe even more arrogant, because they know the ways in which they could be tracked. In the end, he who has eyes will see, but he who has reason will cease.

Yes, the scammers who use AI in wrong way always learn from everything but I'm pretty sure if they're so lazy that for making posts they use AI then such people might not give proper time to read what OP shared. Such people misuse AI and it's because of those abusers that now even if someone use AI for good will get some type of penalty.

Yes, the ones who used multiple accounts back in the days got alert after members started showing connections, but even this day those scammers get caught and so is going to be the case with the ones who misuse AI. For sometime they'll be able to use their techniques but in the end they'll make some mistakes and those mistakes are enough to destroy their reputation.

[Smartvirus]

I that was a good one brother! but well I read the thread I felt like no one is even following the op so I decided to do what he said in the thread just to be mentioned here and seeing that op was decieving people and I was the person who got decieved.

Bro if not that some people just don't want to know as long as it sounds like someone is a cheat and is caught they are happy, in my opinion deceiving someone to follow your instruction and then going back to say that because they followed your instructions they are bot (AI) you need a knock on your head and wish you are a kid or a younger brother to me I would have knocked your head twice.

Reading through this comment and I feel like there is a need for some of those emojis or memes on social modes that would just give you the side eyes and be like “Bro, really”… come on mehn!

The instructions was for AI, it was for a bot to execute as stated and should you do that, it very much makes you some bot or an AI and that’s what you were evidently charged with. So long as you didn’t state it before executing, it sticks and you sure did shoot yourself in the foot with this. What came with it is just appropriate at that point.

That's right, people will always make mistakes. But it seems to me that this technique, which was shown by OP, will already be taken note of by AI lovers, and the citation of the post will be checked every time.

I would maintain that much of these traps be set and even more creative methods to input these hidden details be employed. There would always be those that might be a lot lazy to not go through any laid out routine and get hooked all the same, those lazy moments do presents.

[Ultegra134]

Users in the forum and participants in campaigns only or a little bit more softly to say, mostly use AI when they have no time for posting. It's clear and very noticeable that they use AI to maximize total posts they can make, you know not only from that account.

It's quite interesting to see AI users for posting have very good merit stats that in theory should be good and quality posters as it's weird if they could earn a lot of merit while they are not good posters. Only three noticeable things: good merit history, shitposting history, and AI use, are very enough to conclude about these accounts as well as their reasons of using AI for posting.

Forum will exist without AI users for posting but they will not stop doing that because they can rank up easily - I am not sure will they get more troubles of ranking after latest policy change on AI from theymos, but I'm doubtful that it can prevent them ranking up speedily and easily.

I'm not fond of you using such a generalization to make such a bold statement. Claiming that most signature campaign participants use AI is a bold move that you should be able to back-up with substantial evidence to show what you're saying. There's an official report thread where you can report those that you've found, but I haven't seen you do. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing at you, but saying such a thing but without names and evidence is an empty claim. There are quite a few cases that campaign participants have been caught using AI, some were higher ranked as well, but I believe that's barely a minority.

[libert19]

...It's quite interesting to see AI users for posting have very good merit stats that in theory should be good and quality posters as it's weird if they could earn a lot of merit while they are not good posters.

Not particularly AI, but I do come across users who have good post/activity to merit ratio but their post quality don't reflect the same, some even reach hero/leggy rank fast and after that their 'merit receiving' tends to get stagnant; I think local board connections play part in this.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Users in the forum and participants in campaigns only or a little bit more softly to say, mostly use AI when they have no time for posting. It's clear and very noticeable that they use AI to maximize total posts they can make, you know not only from that account.

It's quite interesting to see AI users for posting have very good merit stats that in theory should be good and quality posters as it's weird if they could earn a lot of merit while they are not good posters. Only three noticeable things: good merit history, shitposting history, and AI use, are very enough to conclude about these accounts as well as their reasons of using AI for posting.

Forum will exist without AI users for posting but they will not stop doing that because they can rank up easily - I am not sure will they get more troubles of ranking after latest policy change on AI from theymos, but I'm doubtful that it can prevent them ranking up speedily and easily.

I'm not fond of you using such a generalization to make such a bold statement. Claiming that most signature campaign participants use AI is a bold move that you should be able to back-up with substantial evidence to show what you're saying. There's an official report thread where you can report those that you've found, but I haven't seen you do. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing at you, but saying such a thing but without names and evidence is an empty claim. There are quite a few cases that campaign participants have been caught using AI, some were higher ranked as well, but I believe that's barely a minority.

Oh, come on. He's right. The truth is that AI is now quite "human," and those who use it correctly are not stupid and know how to avoid detection. That's probably why they have ranks. You know that perfectly well . Where did the multitude of rapidly growing ranks in certain local sections come from? Even yesterday's newcomers say quite competent things about bitcoin and exchange merits. AI is really very popular on the forum, but those who get caught are those people who could not properly "understand the instructions ." They are either stupid or lazy people, or more often, both.

[SamReomo]

Oh, come on. He's right. The truth is that AI is now quite "human," and those who use it correctly are not stupid and know how to avoid detection.

They're stupid I guess because a smart person learns from his/her mistakes and never repeat the mistakes but stupid ones try to improve the ways so others might not be able to find their mistakes but instead of fixing those mistakes they are increasing the number.

I know there might be people who might have got a way to trick AI detectors but even then there's no good use of such tricks in end they get nothing but loss of reputation and respect if they've got because of activity.

Just like Ratimov, he was good at hiding his plagiarism but in the end that person destroyed his reputation. It's hard to gain reputation and respect, it's easy to lose it, same if true for trust. It's hard to gain trust, it's easy to lose it, and once someone loses it then it's not possible to re-gain it.

[Majestic-milf]

This should be fun. I’m waiting for @Ivystar5 reply on this thread, as far as I can tell he’s online and should have noticed this thread by now. He did make a post on the Theymos recent AI guideline thread on meta so he definitely frequents this board.

He just responded before you dropped yours. Guess you missed it. Well, the explanation looks halfbaked to me so let's see if they would have something better than what they dropped.

Yeah he dug himself a bigger hole. Don’t expect any other explanation from him, the account has not posted since it was given a signature ban. I suspect the owner is taking a long break from that account to focus on his alts or create new ones.

It's amusing how these accounts who make use of AI often have loads of crap to say but when they get caught, you see them stammering to make coherent sentences. Well that's why they employed the use of AI though, to help them cover up their inadequacies. Honestly, nothing beats being real and true to yourself because you might give the excuse of not being fluent that's why you rely on AI but then the reliance becomes too much that you can't do without it and then when you're caught, you try to make the person who caught you look stupid which is seriously not fair.

[philipma1957]

Users in the forum and participants in campaigns only or a little bit more softly to say, mostly use AI when they have no time for posting. It's clear and very noticeable that they use AI to maximize total posts they can make, you know not only from that account.

It's quite interesting to see AI users for posting have very good merit stats that in theory should be good and quality posters as it's weird if they could earn a lot of merit while they are not good posters. Only three noticeable things: good merit history, shitposting history, and AI use, are very enough to conclude about these accounts as well as their reasons of using AI for posting.

Forum will exist without AI users for posting but they will not stop doing that because they can rank up easily - I am not sure will they get more troubles of ranking after latest policy change on AI from theymos, but I'm doubtful that it can prevent them ranking up speedily and easily.

I'm not fond of you using such a generalization to make such a bold statement. Claiming that most signature campaign participants use AI is a bold move that you should be able to back-up with substantial evidence to show what you're saying. There's an official report thread where you can report those that you've found, but I haven't seen you do. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing at you, but saying such a thing but without names and evidence is an empty claim. There are quite a few cases that campaign participants have been caught using AI, some were higher ranked as well, but I believe that's barely a minority.

Oh, come on. He's right. The truth is that AI is now quite "human," and those who use it correctly are not stupid and know how to avoid detection. That's probably why they have ranks. You know that perfectly well . Where did the multitude of rapidly growing ranks in certain local sections come from? Even yesterday's newcomers say quite competent things about bitcoin and exchange merits. AI is really very popular on the forum, but those who get caught are those people who could not properly "understand the instructions ." They are either stupid or lazy people, or more often, both.

I think we will not rid ai from the forum.

The forum could reduce it a bit.

But even when really tight kyc including face time video is  used  which I for one would likely leave the website.

You would have security risks of all the kyc videos.

So like it or not there will always be some ai.

[Noobguy]

To detect AI written post will be difficult, because-

Those who directly copied, and posts from GPT or any other LLM models bear a structure that proves that they are AI written post, but the actual problem is that some people are not good at english so they normally use 'Grammarly' or Grammar or a sentence correction tool to improve the quality of the post and to also avoid mistakes in text.

So, there are two groups
1. Those who use only AI to post and reply have nothing in their dumb brain.
2. Those who write by themselves just due to some issue have to use AI or too to correct sentences or to solve any grammatical issue. Translating a post from English or any other language to thir Native language / Wrote a post in their Native langiage, they translated in English with the help of AI

We should always avoid and report those who use AI directly to post or reply, and they have no idea.

But, using AI detector tools can also cause problems for those who are using the tool, who are not posting directly.


Some use system prompts /prompting in AI models comanding AI models to giva e specific output format.

There are a lot of new AI models available, some are great in writting pos;t those are normapeoplele not able to catch that it is written by AI.

I also make many mistakes when I write any post so I need to correct mistakes and grammatical issues.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Oh, come on. He's right. The truth is that AI is now quite "human," and those who use it correctly are not stupid and know how to avoid detection.

They're stupid I guess because a smart person learns from his/her mistakes and never repeat the mistakes but stupid ones try to improve the ways so others might not be able to find their mistakes but instead of fixing those mistakes they are increasing the number.

I know there might be people who might have got a way to trick AI detectors but even then there's no good use of such tricks in end they get nothing but loss of reputation and respect if they've got because of activity.

Just like Ratimov, he was good at hiding his plagiarism but in the end that person destroyed his reputation. It's hard to gain reputation and respect, it's easy to lose it, same if true for trust. It's hard to gain trust, it's easy to lose it, and once someone loses it then it's not possible to re-gain it.

Why do you stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that AI has been here and will be here? Yes, there is a hunt for them now, but AI is getting better every day. You say that AI spammers will definitely be caught. Yes, it is possible, but let the one who catches speak and not the one who talks... You just conclude with very pretentious thoughts that punishment is inevitable, but you know what? The one who does this, the one who uses AI, is just laughing, because he probably doesn't care about trust, which he doesn't value, or reputation, since greed primarily owns him. You can give as many examples as you want with Ratimov, but people post with AI for completely different purposes. I'm telling you as someone who sees the syllable of AI but cannot prove anything, since detectors can no longer accurately determine the use of this instrument unambiguously. Very wise words have been said here:

I think we will not rid ai from the forum.

The forum could reduce it a bit.

But even when really tight kyc including face time video is  used  which I for one would likely leave the website.

You would have security risks of all the kyc videos.

So like it or not there will always be some ai.

[SamReomo]

Why do you stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that AI has been here and will be here? Yes, there is a hunt for them now, but AI is getting better every day. You say that AI spammers will definitely be caught. Yes, it is possible, but let the one who catches speak and not the one who talks... You just conclude with very pretentious thoughts that punishment is inevitable, but you know what? The one who does this, the one who uses AI, is just laughing, because he probably doesn't care about trust, which he doesn't value, or reputation, since greed primarily owns him. You can give as many examples as you want with Ratimov, but people post with AI for completely different purposes. I'm telling you as someone who sees the syllable of AI but cannot prove anything, since detectors can no longer accurately determine the use of this instrument unambiguously.

Whatever you said is true, the ones who know how to trick AI detectors don't really care much about the ethics, or about their reputation, they mainly use AI to increase the number of their posts because their main intention is to earn more money with multiple accounts without getting caught.

Even, if one of their accounts is caught, they can use other accounts for the purpose. AI is getting better at producing human level text with emotions, and the days aren't far when all of the detectors will fail to detect any AI generated content. The ones who're good at using AI LLMs can tweak current models to produce text that sounds genuine and human written.

I agree with Philipma1957 that no matter what we do, the forum will still have AI content but hide in shadow so the detectors might not be able to know but it'll indeed be AI written text.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Why do you stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that AI has been here and will be here? Yes, there is a hunt for them now, but AI is getting better every day. You say that AI spammers will definitely be caught. Yes, it is possible, but let the one who catches speak and not the one who talks... You just conclude with very pretentious thoughts that punishment is inevitable, but you know what? The one who does this, the one who uses AI, is just laughing, because he probably doesn't care about trust, which he doesn't value, or reputation, since greed primarily owns him. You can give as many examples as you want with Ratimov, but people post with AI for completely different purposes. I'm telling you as someone who sees the syllable of AI but cannot prove anything, since detectors can no longer accurately determine the use of this instrument unambiguously.

Whatever you said is true, the ones who know how to trick AI detectors don't really care much about the ethics, or about their reputation, they mainly use AI to increase the number of their posts because their main intention is to earn more money with multiple accounts without getting caught.

Even, if one of their accounts is caught, they can use other accounts for the purpose. AI is getting better at producing human level text with emotions, and the days aren't far when all of the detectors will fail to detect any AI generated content. The ones who're good at using AI LLMs can tweak current models to produce text that sounds genuine and human written.

I agree with Philipma1957 that no matter what we do, the forum will still have AI content but hide in shadow so the detectors might not be able to know but it'll indeed be AI written text.

Okay, now I see that you just paraphrased what I told you several times in a row. It seems that I really write in a language that you don't understand. Let's finish it finally.

[Ultegra134]

I think we will not rid ai from the forum.

The forum could reduce it a bit.

But even when really tight kyc including face time video is  used  which I for one would likely leave the website.

You would have security risks of all the kyc videos.

So like it or not there will always be some ai.

We won't, that's the truth and I'm honestly somewhat okay with it. It's a phenomenon that I've acknowledged myself that can't be eradicated. People will always resort to "lazy" ways to earn money (if they are in a signature campaign) or generally to create posts in order to appear "knowledgeable". Through the AI Report thread we've enstablished that there's a "force" of some people who actively hunt such members, that alone may deter users from using AI in the first place, while others are caught early before ranking up etc. I'm totally fine with that and I acknowledge the power we have and how much we've achieved so far.

[nutildah]

What is slightly concerning is how it was established that this user is "an AI". If you run any of their posts through the detectors, which is the standard used in the AI Spam Report Reference thread, they come back as not AI generated.

I mean, read the post itself. Does it seem written by AI to you? It barely makes sense and is full of spelling & grammar errors, something AI would never do, unless you asked it to, and I really have doubts that this person is even capable of doing that kind of thing. They just write old fashioned spam, by hand.

We are making the assumption that because the user responded in the way they did, they must be an AI, even if the "instructions" are clearly visible in the quoted post, and none of their posts exhibit signs of being AI-written (not even the one that led to them getting banned). I'm not sure that's very just. But in this particular case, the user was an utter shitposter, so I have no qualms about them getting banned.