Two threads about SatScratch are locked. This is open to discuss SatScratch

[AakZaki]

On-chain Bitcoin transaction fees make withdrawals below 100K sats expensive — the fee would eat most of the withdrawal. We're looking into Lightning Network to lower this in the future.

The more you explain something wrong, it could be that the site you manage is 100% untrustworthy by all users here. Your statement does not imply that you are an experienced person who can manage this kind of site.

How can you say that, try to see here 1.5 BTC sent for only 327 sats.

we'd like to credit your account with 10,000 sats because your question just made the product better! as a bounty.

Then you want to reward me with 10,000 sats for the bug discovery? Haha... You joke, what is the point of the 10,000 sats that are credited if in the end they can't be withdrawn?

I think you're too stingy, try to see here, they spend some of their operating funds to find out bugs on their site. They directly credit to the address of each user who finds it.

[Zwei]

The server generates the deck. That's the same as every physical scratch card ever made — the National Lottery decides what prizes go into 40 million scratchers and you trust that it's fair.

you keep saying that, but comparing your game to the national lottery scratch cards is honestly kinda stupid.

Cards are assigned randomly. One way to prove is to announce winners. if some people play and they win randomly that would be good.

to do that, people need to play first, which i doubt is going to happen with your current setup.

Judging by their commitment and how quickly they respond to community needs, I have the impression this isn't the end.

it's not that hard when you use AI to do that for you.

In the screenshot below, I tried to register and only got 1 free card, why was there a total of 6 games?


I tried once to make a purchase that I cancelled, because I am not British. But in this screenshot it shows 5 pending payments, this is really strange.

not strange when the website is AI coded.
you can tell just from the UI, they all look the same.

I tried to register and only got 1 free card, why was there a total of 6 games?

You get 1 free card to test the system. The other are from purchase that wasn't completed.

is the free card real? does it have the same 1 in 3 odds? can you win 1BTC from it?
or is it like a demo thing?

Have you ever seen a scratch card for that doesn't allow you to withdraw small prizes?

also have you ever seen a scratch card that pays less than the cost of the card?

[longyenthanh]

Judging by their commitment and how quickly they respond to community needs, I have the impression this isn't the end.

it's not that hard when you use AI to do that for you.

Right now, the entire IT and software industry is being heavily influenced by AI. So it's good that SatScratch is keeping up with the times. As we can see even here, AI accelerates operations, and that's what it's all about.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Bloody hell, this thread has really taken off in such a short time.

I also see that he has launched an affiliate campaign. I don't know if it's because of what I said here, but it's not the same to start out on the forum spending money on a campaign as it is to launch a campaign when your reputation is already in question. Besides, it's not a signature campaign, but a referral campaign.

[Vod]

I believe SatScratch is just some teenager who discovered AI - he/she has made many ignorant statements about crypto yet continues to improve their product.  If not for its immaturity in trying to blackmail negative feedback removal, it might have convinced us it was legit.  :/

[robelneo]

I believe SatScratch is just some teenager who discovered AI - he/she has made many ignorant statements about crypto yet continues to improve their product.  If not for its immaturity in trying to blackmail negative feedback removal, it might have convinced us it was legit.  :/

Exactly, my observation too: he improved his platform based on our feedback and criticism. Last time I visited, there was no referral offer. Now they created a page and included it on their homepage because of the recommendation coming here.
One of the thing lacking are the social media accounts, so people can follow their progress or updates on the winners.
Are they going to implement this recommendation? Let's see 

[JollyGood]

Good question. We removed "provably fair" because the community rightly pointed out it didn't meet the strict definition — and we'd rather be accurate than misleading.

Your proactive approach in that regards deserves to noted.

As for viability — we believe in this because the returns are real. Someone is going to hit a big prize (1 million to 100 million sats) sooner rather than later.

If your claim about one in three cards being a winner, theoretically you could produce a 1 BTC win every three cards or maybe one winner every 10,000 cards (or even not have a 1 BTC winner at all), you are holding all of the cards and can do whatever you want. Correct me if I am wrong.

We genuinely hope it's someone from this forum so they can confirm it here themselves. That will say more than any claim we can make. Best of luck!

As you have signed a message to show ownership of 0.5 BTC and have claimed to own another 1.45 BTC without proving it, you are claiming to own 1.95 BTC. If you operate a fair system and it generates for example two jackpot wins and several small wins in close succession, you do not have the 2 BTC funds to cover the wins. I am sure you have an idea how that will affect the perception of your business model.

[Vod]

As you have signed a message to show ownership of 0.5 BTC and have claimed to own another 1.45 BTC without proving it, you are claiming to own 1.95 BTC. If you operate a fair system and it generates for example two jackpot wins and several small wins in close succession, you do not have the 2 BTC funds to cover the wins. I am sure you have an idea how that will affect the perception of your business model.

OP has stated the pictures are of collectibles that lose their value if scratched - he may not want to cover.    But it's a moot point anyway since he controls who wins and when.

[SatScratch]

Exactly, my observation too: he improved his platform based on our feedback and criticism. Last time I visited, there was no referral offer. Now they created a page and included it on their homepage because of the recommendation coming here.
One of the thing lacking are the social media accounts, so people can follow their progress or updates on the winners.
Are they going to implement this recommendation? Let's see  

Thank you. X

If your claim about one in three cards being a winner, theoretically you could produce a 1 BTC win every three cards or maybe one winner every 10,000 cards (or even not have a 1 BTC winner at all), you are holding all of the cards and can do whatever you want. Correct me if I am wrong.

You're not wrong — that's the same point LoyceV made and we've acknowledged it. Right now the deck composition is trust-based.

If you operate a fair system and it generates for example two jackpot wins and several small wins in close succession, you do not have the 2 BTC funds to cover the wins.

Two jackpots hitting in close succession is statistically near-impossible at our current volume. But your point is valid in principle so, if someone hits the jackpot today, we will peel some coins cover it.
Additionally, we're adding 0.5 BTC to the signed address by Wednesday, bringing it to 1 BTC verifiable on-chain. The physical coins remain as additional reserve. Obviously, we'll scale the reserve as volume grows.

[LoyceV]

If you operate a fair system and it generates for example two jackpot wins and several small wins in close succession, you do not have the 2 BTC funds to cover the wins.

For all we know, he can manually create the cards: a million empty cards, half a million cards winning 100 sats, 100 cards winning 1000 sats, 5 cards with 10,000 sats and that's it. Asking about being able to pay the highest prize is simply irrelevant without knowing how likely it is to win it.

Exactly, my observation too: he improved his platform based on our feedback and criticism. Last time I visited, there was no referral offer. Now they created a page and included it on their homepage because of the recommendation coming here.
One of the thing lacking are the social media accounts, so people can follow their progress or updates on the winners.
Are they going to implement this recommendation? Let's see  

Thank you. X

I could be wrong, but I think you missed the sarcasm in robelneo's post.

[bitbollo]

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I have seen this website and I havent understood yet how this should work. I mean... we have seen in the past similar gambling experience but how we can now you are really giving this chance?
proving to have funds what means? this doesn't provide any trust or logic in the whole process for getting the prize.
You are just showing that you have it. How we can verify that this is available DIRECTLY from the game?
Yes this is the best suggestion. Unless you can prove the offers of your site, there are no "signed messages" that can work...

[Free Market Capitalist]

What amazes me about this case is how persistent the user in question is because the account hasn't even been on the forum for a whole week. Normally, someone who registers on the forum, wants to scam, and finds this feedback and these threads would throw in the towel and try to scam somewhere else or in another way. And if they're trying to run an honest business too, they come to a place with good intentions and people keep finding fault with them, so the normal thing to do is to go somewhere else.

If we were in the second case, I suppose it's because some criticism has made him see potential flaws in their business.

[Vod]

What amazes me about this case is how persistent the user in question is because the account hasn't even been on the forum for a whole week. Normally, someone who registers on the forum, wants to scam, and finds this feedback and these threads would throw in the towel and try to scam somewhere else or in another way. And if they're trying to run an honest business too, they come to a place with good intentions and people keep finding fault with them, so the normal thing to do is to go somewhere else.

Those are the old days, where criticism could mean delays of days/weeks while changes were implemented.  Scammers like immediate results.   The modern world of AI is fast, and the user can be persistent with just a few minutes per day.   One should look at other metrics of trustworthiness such as use of the trust system (blackmailing for feedback removal).

[JollyGood]

Two jackpots hitting in close succession is statistically near-impossible at our current volume. But your point is valid in principle so, if someone hits the jackpot today, we will peel some coins cover it.
Additionally, we're adding 0.5 BTC to the signed address by Wednesday, bringing it to 1 BTC verifiable on-chain. The physical coins remain as additional reserve. Obviously, we'll scale the reserve as volume grows.

Though statistically near impossible, several large prizes could theoretically be won in quick succession therefore with you adding another 0.5 BTC (to make a total of 1 BTC) that will be verified via a signed message is another proactive move on your part.

For all we know, he can manually create the cards: a million empty cards, half a million cards winning 100 sats, 100 cards winning 1000 sats, 5 cards with 10,000 sats and that's it. Asking about being able to pay the highest prize is simply irrelevant without knowing how likely it is to win it.

The SatScratch representative has acknowledged that "Right now the deck composition is trust-based." That admission in itself is one of the main factors (if not, the biggest factor) resulting in potential customers not wanting to take a risk on their website.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Though statistically near impossible, several large prizes could theoretically be won in quick succession therefore with you adding another 0.5 BTC (to make a total of 1 BTC) that will be verified via a signed message is another proactive move on your part.

I guess you think that the EuroMillions lottery is potentially fraudulent as well.

A lottery like Euromillions, which has a 15 million euro prize by default, does it have those millions already saved already for the prize or does it rely on selling tickets to pay it?

Taking EuroMillions as the example, the short answer is:

👉 It does not usually have the full €15 million sitting in a bank account waiting.
👉 It relies primarily on ticket sales, but with financial mechanisms to guarantee payment.

Here’s how it works:

1️⃣ The “€15 million minimum jackpot”

EuroMillions has a guaranteed minimum jackpot (currently €15 million).

That minimum is backed by:

Ongoing ticket sales across participating countries

Reserve funds built from previous draws

Insurance/financial guarantees if needed

So even if ticket sales were unusually low for one draw, the prize is still paid.

2️⃣ Where the money actually comes from

Each ticket sold is split roughly into:

🎰 Prize fund (about 50%)

💰 Taxes / public causes

🏢 Operating costs & retailer commissions

The jackpot comes from the prize fund portion.

If nobody wins:

The jackpot rolls over

More ticket sales are added

That’s how jackpots grow to €100M, €150M+, etc.

3️⃣ Do they “pre-save” €15 million?

Not exactly in a literal vault.

What they have is:

A rolling prize pool system

A reserve fund built from previous cycles

Strict regulation by national lottery authorities (e.g., in Spain by Loterías y Apuestas del Estado)

These lotteries are heavily regulated and financially structured so they can always pay the advertised jackpot.

4️⃣ What if something extreme happened?

Even in a very unlikely scenario where:

Ticket sales were extremely low

And reserves were temporarily insufficient

The lottery operators are state-backed organizations in participating countries, so payment is legally guaranteed.

5️⃣ Important psychological detail

Lotteries don’t need to “save up” the jackpot beforehand because:

They know expected ticket sales statistically.

They know the odds of someone winning are extremely low (1 in 139 million for EuroMillions jackpot).

The math strongly favors surplus over time.

Lotteries are designed to be actuarially profitable long term.

https://chatgpt.com/share/699bca87-ca78-800e-8fcb-0ec38dc72d5f

I said it in the gambling section thread and I'll say it again here: the other objections are reasonable, but the argument about not having 1 Bitcoin in liquidity to pay the jackpot is BS.

[bitbollo]

I have seen trust profile and other user has pointed out that... there is no house edge

Well, this game can't be provably fair.
We don't know exactly how has been designed and its like a "working in progress" to show that everything is right...only after user show some issues.

At the end we don't know how this works...if a site doesn't understand and explain clearly these passeges it can be used.
personally I don't see any real chance to receive a prize. imagine you win... how it works for withdraw of a "larger" sum

[JollyGood]

Regardless of the statistics involved, if I understand the situation correctly the fact remains that theoretically the game can be designed to have a winner and loser whenever the website owner would like. I think I read somewhere the SatScratch account did state that around one in every three cards results in a win.

There will definitely be people that play the game but I doubt the numbers will be high. Also, if and KYC needs to be presented before any wins will be released, I would find it difficult to believe anybody (including UK citizens) would send their personal documents to claim any wins.

I have seen trust profile and other user has pointed out that... there is no house edge

Well, this game can't be provably fair.
We don't know exactly how has been designed and its like a "working in progress" to show that everything is right...only after user show some issues.

At the end we don't know how this works...if a site doesn't understand and explain clearly these passeges it can be used.
personally I don't see any real chance to receive a prize. imagine you win... how it works for withdraw of a "larger" sum

[keyscore44]

Regardless of the statistics involved, if I understand the situation correctly the fact remains that theoretically the game can be designed to have a winner and loser whenever the website owner would like. I think I read somewhere the SatScratch account did state that around one in every three cards results in a win.

There will definitely be people that play the game but I doubt the numbers will be high. Also, if and KYC needs to be presented before any wins will be released, I would find it difficult to believe anybody (including UK citizens) would send their personal documents to claim any wins.

I have seen trust profile and other user has pointed out that... there is no house edge

Well, this game can't be provably fair.
We don't know exactly how has been designed and its like a "working in progress" to show that everything is right...only after user show some issues.

At the end we don't know how this works...if a site doesn't understand and explain clearly these passeges it can be used.
personally I don't see any real chance to receive a prize. imagine you win... how it works for withdraw of a "larger" sum

Something must be changing, because I just checked the Terms and Conditions on the website and I don't see anything about KYC. The information that only UK citizens can purchase cards is now only in the FAQ. It's possible the scope of activities is expanding. We'll probably find out soon.

[JollyGood]

The SatScratch forum representative can post here regarding any changes to their terms and conditions (if they occur).

Keeping that aside, your last post was in June 2023 before you decided to make a comeback in February 2026. Why on earth are you wasting your time posting using the keyscore44 account when it has been tagged to the extent that it will probably never be joining any reputable campaign run by any reputable campaign manager? The account will probably never be monetised therefore what are your motives for posting when there are other accounts you operate?

Having said that, you have a SatScratch affiliate link in your profile therefore what is your end game here?

Something must be changing, because I just checked the Terms and Conditions on the website and I don't see anything about KYC. The information that only UK citizens can purchase cards is now only in the FAQ. It's possible the scope of activities is expanding. We'll probably find out soon.

[keyscore44]

The SatScratch forum representative can post here regarding any changes to their terms and conditions (if they occur).

Keeping that aside, your last post was in June 2023 before you decided to make a comeback in February 2026. Why on earth are you wasting your time posting using the keyscore44 account when it has been tagged to the extent that it will probably never be joining any reputable campaign run by any reputable campaign manager? The account will probably never be monetised therefore what are your motives for posting when there are other accounts you operate?

Having said that, you have a SatScratch affiliate link in your profile therefore what is your end game here?

Something must be changing, because I just checked the Terms and Conditions on the website and I don't see anything about KYC. The information that only UK citizens can purchase cards is now only in the FAQ. It's possible the scope of activities is expanding. We'll probably find out soon.

As you mentioned there is no other signature campaign that accept accounts with neg trust, so when I saw this campaign I just jumped in.
When 1xbit come back to Bitcointalk, or some other casiono against whom someone will create a hate campaign start accepting neg trust accounts, I will be waiting here.