Reporting ONLY 99% accuracy?

[Vod]

Reporting with "99%" is so apollo-era type coding    Theymos, if it wouldn't break any int/decimal code, could you add at least one more decimal point to that stat?  We are in bitcoin after all - with 8 decimal points.   1.0 bitcoin and 0.6 bitcoin are now quite different.  

[Mia Chloe]

Reporting with "99%" is so apollo-era type coding    Theymos, if it wouldn't break any int/decimal code, could you add at least one more decimal point to that stat?  We are in bitcoin after all - with 8 decimal points.   1.0 bitcoin and 0.6 bitcoin are now quite different.  

Lol it's definitely possible just a few edits for the calculation back end will do with his a few lines of code. Nevertheless I think for things like this what really comes to mind is it's shear need and importance just a couple decimals don't really change how good a person is at accurate reports.

Well sometimes I just wanna believe Theymos doesn't want to bother much about non security related edits backend because of risks it may pose.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Well, at least he did include a disclaimer at the end, so we don't have to care about the accuracy of the percentage.

"Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports."
In words, the numbers don't really matter that much. 

[Charles-Tim]

A reporter can have 99% accurate reports, but later has 100% accuracy if more reports made are most accurate in a way that few to no inaccurate report will be included. But if decimal is included, 100% accuracy will become impossible.

I do not think theymos will listen because adding it does not have any use in the report. He will not see it as anything that makes the report stat more accurate, although it is more accurate.

I will prefer 2 or 3 decimal places.

[Vod]

I do not think theymos will listen because adding it does not have any use in the report. He will not see it as anything that makes the report stat more accurate, although it is more accurate.
I will prefer 2 or 3 decimal places.

Theymos knows the power and influence of friendly competition.    Right now we can only brag about the number of posts reported which we all agree is irrelevant.  Allow us to brag about the stat that counts.

Or, if I could use another cheezy argument - we want Bitcoin to go to the moon and they needed 8 decimals in the 60s.   

[hilariousandco]

I quite like the idea. At least people can still see it moving up. Occasionally people used to ask why it was "stuck"  .

[LoyceV]

I don't need to see my 99% turn into 98.9%

[Charles-Tim]

I don't need to see my 99% turn into 98.9%

99% is super excellent
98.9% is super excellent.

They are super both super excellent.

But is there any importance in the difference? That is the question to be answered and which is no. I think admin will prefer people to achieve 100%.

[LoyceV]

99% is super excellent
98.9% is super excellent.

But 99.001% is 100% in theymos' current "round up" system! Don't take that away from me

But is there any importance in the difference?

It literally shows: "Do not worry about your accuracy too much". Adding more decimals would only make sense if the difference is important.

[PrimeNumber7]

In addition to the above, I think it would probably make sense to provide stats from the last x time. So to keep a good accuracy rate, you need to continue reporting posts accurately, and can't rely on the thousands of posts you've already reported. The date could be by moderation action date.

[Welsh]

I'd like to see a little more stats for users in terms of reporting to try and incentivize it. maybe a little gamification, without causing too much abuse.

Lol it's definitely possible just a few edits for the calculation back end will do with his a few lines of code.

I'm willing to bet that it breaks something that it shouldn't unexpectedly

[Mia Chloe]

I'm willing to bet that it breaks something that it shouldn't unexpectedly

Yeah there are so much eyes on this forum probably waiting for there to be a bug that brings some vulnerabilities to the light for them to swiftly take advantage of it against the forum. It's my speculation of reasons why Theymos barely makes any update back end.

Not until it's of optimal importance they barely get changed. There's a whole line up of suggestions mods and updates that even powerglove has compiled that hasn't been approved yet.

[Lafu]

I'd like to see a little more stats for users in terms of reporting to try and incentivize it. maybe a little gamification, without causing too much abuse.

Hmm 100% here and that over some years !
In my opinion makes it really a difference between 100 to 99 % ?
We dont or should be reporting things and Posts because of or for the Stats , if you doing that , i guess thats the wrong way.

[DYING_S0UL]

Reporting with "99%" is so apollo-era type coding    Theymos, if it wouldn't break any int/decimal code, could you add at least one more decimal point to that stat?  We are in bitcoin after all - with 8 decimal points.   1.0 bitcoin and 0.6 bitcoin are now quite different.  

I just have one question for you, "Why?" Please shine some lights towards me, if you don't mind.

I mean, why do we even need one more decimal point anyway? What difference will it make?
From a Mathematician's point of view, a single digit might create a world destroying disaster, but from a regular persons perspective, I don't see much of a difference nor any need. 99% and 99.5% are practically (not exactly the same but for day to day use, I don't mind) the same to me.

Btw, I have only 86% accuracy. Should I be sad? 

[Vod]

It literally says: "Do not worry about your accuracy too much". Adding more decimals would only make sense if the difference is important.

It cannot speak, literally.   

Hopefully Theymos did not care a decade ago and has changed his mind.  BPIP proves people like detailed stats.   I wanted to show the fun of precision but I don't know the average number of correct reports, so instead here is a table showing the energy required to accelerate 1kg to a percent of light speed.

Percent of c	TNT Equivalent
99%	131 megatons
99.9%	459 megatons
99.99%	1.5 gigatons
99.999%	4.8 gigatons
99.9999%	15 gigatons
99.99999%	48 gigatons
99.999999%	152 gigatons
99.9999999%	480 gigatons
99.99999999%	1.52 teratons
99.999999999%	4.8 teratons

I just have one question for you, "Why?" Please shine some lights towards me, if you don't mind.
Btw, I have only 86% accuracy. Should I be sad? 

You don't think people would enjoy talking about their report stats?  Right now it's a 10,000 way tie. lol
And yes! yes you should.  That is pathetic.   :/

[LoyceV]

Btw, I have only 86% accuracy. Should I be sad? 

It depends: if you report good posts as bad, or if you only reported 7 posts and 1 of them was bad, that's not very impressive. But if you don't only report the obvious spam, but also "edge cases", some bad reports are inevitable. Without more information, I'd say you should be sad about 86% accuracy

here is a table showing the energy required to accelerate 1kg to a percent of light speed.

Now all we need to know is the mass of each bad post and we can get rid of them at high speed!

[DYING_S0UL]

Btw, I have only 86% accuracy. Should I be sad? 

It depends: if you report good posts as bad, or if you only reported 7 posts and 1 of them was bad, that's not very impressive. But if you don't only report the obvious spam, but also "edge cases", some bad reports are inevitable. Without more information, I'd say you should be sad about 86% accuracy

I don't report normal posts, like whether they are of low quality or good. I never report such posts. It's up to the mods to decide. From someone's perspective, "Topic 1" might be bad, while with others it might be good. So, I remain neutral.

As for my reports, I only report when I see a rule being broken. For example, rule no 32, or having multiple ANN for the same brand on the service board.

My overall report accuracy was good, above 90%. But the last time, I remember reporting a bunch of posts in a single thread in a sequence (reply 2,3,4,5). I don't exactly remember what they were (I still haven't unlocked the report log). I think it's rule 32 again. And some of them may have been handled as bad I suspect.

Right now, it's " 47 posts with 86% accuracy (40 good, 7 bad, 0 unhandled)"

[hr[

You don't think people would enjoy talking about their report stats?  Right now it's a 10,000 way tie. lol
And yes! yes you should.  That is pathetic.   :/

If I had a 100% accuracy I would.

Btw, sigh...

[PowerGlove]

I've gone over some older posts from people sharing their reporting stats, and I think a reasonable guess for how the accuracy is being calculated (in PHP), is something like:

Code:

$accuracy = ceil($good / ($good + $bad) * 100);

Hazarding a guess on top of a guess, I'd say that theymos probably likes doing it this way (that is, using ceil rather than round) because it biases things toward more people feeling better about their stats (probably he's trying to avoid a situation where too many people get into score-maintenance mode and do less reporting than they otherwise might).

If someone wanted to calculate things differently, I suppose they could do it from a userscript or something. For example, here's what my own "Report to moderator" page looks like:



But, if I hit Ctrl+Shift+K (I'm in Tor Browser on Linux, BTW), and I execute the following JS:

Code:

(function() {

   const div = document.querySelector('tr.windowbg > td > div');

   const info = div && div.innerText.match(/ \d+% accuracy \((\d+) good, (\d+) bad,/);

   if(info && info.length == 3) {

      const good = parseInt(info[1]);

      const bad = parseInt(info[2]);

      const accuracy = (good / (good + bad) * 100).toFixed(2);

      div.innerHTML = div.innerHTML.replace(/\d+% accuracy/, accuracy.concat('% accuracy'));
   }
})();

Then my page looks like:



If anyone wants to embed or adapt the above JS into their project, then, please feel free, but, be aware of two things:

(1) I wrote it very quickly and haven't tested it much (and, even if I had written it carefully and then tested it thoroughly, my JS is often unidiomatic).

(2) Don't trim the leading space from the first regex unless you understand why it's there (that is, if you do remove it, then you should probably find a different way to achieve idempotence).


Hmm... I should have done this beforehand, but, after writing the above, I searched BitList for things that theymos might have said about reporting, and found this:

Since so many people have so many reports, I changed the percentage on the reports page so that it uses proper rounding instead of ceil() and shows 1 decimal. Actually, I changed my mind. This would probably make people feel subconsciously paranoid about reporting.

I also bumped into OP's reply to that post:

I actually requested that some time ago.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182554.0

So, I think we can consider this question to have been "asked and answered" (a long time ago).

One final thought: I don't think many people realize the extent to which theymos believes that users shouldn't lose any sleep over their accuracy. For example, I thought I had internalized the whole "one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports" thing, but, I obviously hadn't, because bumping into the below quote was still something of a surprise to me:

Any accuracy percentage above ~25% is probably fine.

[LoyceV]

One final thought: I don't think many people realize the extent to which theymos believes that users shouldn't lose any sleep over their accuracy. For example, I thought I had internalized the whole "one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports" thing, but, I obviously hadn't, because bumping into the below quote was still something of a surprise to me:

Any accuracy percentage above ~25% is probably fine.

What surprises me much more than theymos' statement, is how many reports were "bad" at the time:

Here are some updated stats:

Membergroup	Average accuracy
(all)	60%
Newbie	51%
Jr. Member	52%
Member	54%
Full Member	59%
Sr. Member	63%
Hero Member	73%
Staff	88%

In all, there have been 27,689 good reports, 8129 bad reports, and 1067 unhandled reports.

I would have expected lower numbers of bad reports. Based on hilariousandco's Monthly Report Statistics, it hasn't been anywhere near that bad since mid 2016:

So I guess theymos' ~25% comes from a time with much less spam. I wouldn't be surprised if you can reach 25% or better if a bot reports every post on certain boards as "shitpost".

[Vod]

If someone wanted to calculate things differently, I suppose they could do it from a userscript or something. For example, here's what my own "Report to moderator" page looks like:

So Theymos already rounds up (Can't have 100% with a bad report!) but I wasn't aware of his past post that PG brought up.  An admins job is to cater to the masses, not the statisticians.   Thanks, PowerGlove