Help needed for a forum member!

[Vod]

A huge thank you to the forum members who responded to the request for help!
They didn’t start “dredging up the past” or looking for “conspiracy theories”; they simply clarified some details privately and helped a person who found themselves in a difficult life situation! Good deeds will surely come back to you, and I personally promise my help should the need arise!

To everyone else, I hope you never find yourselves in a similar situation, because... I think you already understand

Last year you guaranteed that Etranger would be receiving a large sum and opening a bitcoin farm.  WTF happened mr. honesty?   

[Lucius]

~snip~
To everyone else, I hope you never find yourselves in a similar situation, because... I think you already understand

Anyone who needs help should admit it publicly and not hide behind someone else. In this specific case, I think a lot more people would react positively if there was more transparency. It's not fair to judge anyone who wants to know exactly where their donations go.

[DireWolfM14]

A huge thank you to the forum members who responded to the request for help!

This forum is a great place, and it's because of the people here.  Here is a testament to the generosity of at least one particular brother.  May God reward him for his generous act, and Insha'Allah may you and your beneficiary be deserving of the trust he demonstrated.

There is a hadith that says not to question those who ask.  Let your conscience be clear, and their request be justified.

[DrBeer]

A huge thank you to the forum members who responded to the request for help!
They didn’t start “dredging up the past” or looking for “conspiracy theories”; they simply clarified some details privately and helped a person who found themselves in a difficult life situation! Good deeds will surely come back to you, and I personally promise my help should the need arise!

To everyone else, I hope you never find yourselves in a similar situation, because... I think you already understand

Last year you guaranteed that Etranger would be receiving a large sum and opening a bitcoin farm.  WTF happened mr. honesty?  

"Last year you guaranteed that Etranger would be receiving a large sum and opening a bitcoin farm."

1. Stop manipulating, twisting the facts, and deliberately lying in your usual manner! That trick won’t work on me Once again, I’ll expose your lies—it’s very easy
Post here, in front of everyone, the post in which I GUARANTEED that:
1. Etranger will receive a large sum
2. will open a Bitcoin farm
So that you don’t continue lying as usual, I’ll state in advance what I said (and it’s easy to verify) and how it differs from what you’re trying to “put in my mouth”! So, in response to your hysterics, I informed everyone  and invited those who are genuinely interested to review:
- the project’s financial model (which required time, effort, and financial investment)
- the project’s technical plan (which required time, effort, and financial investment)
- the results of preliminary contacts regarding land leases and access to power sources (commercial proposals, justifications, etc.)
This was provided in response to your baseless accusations that it was simply a “scam and a money grab.” But you didn’t ask for this information; you just kept throwing a tantrum

I’ll also answer the question of why the project wasn’t implemented: the reason is simple—Etranger and partners couldn’t attract the necessary investment, in full, which isn’t a “crime” or some “unusual scenario.”

I’ve openly answered your questions!

Now I’m waiting for your proof of my alleged guarantees, or—if you have even a shred of self-respect and take any responsibility for your words—a public apology for your deliberate lies, just as public as your accusations here!

P.S. I’m not sure you have enough honor or courage for that; most likely, there will just be another stream of mudslinging and empty words

~snip~
To everyone else, I hope you never find yourselves in a similar situation, because... I think you already understand

Anyone who needs help should admit it publicly and not hide behind someone else. In this specific case, I think a lot more people would react positively if there was more transparency. It's not fair to judge anyone who wants to know exactly where their donations go.

It’s hard for me to speak for someone else, and I won’t try to guess why the person who asked me for help acted the way they did. There are probably reasons for this that she considers important. And let me clarify once more—I’m not revealing this person’s name simply because we agreed on it; that was part of the request, and I keep my word. If she gives permission to publish her name, I’ll be happy to do so, because I’m absolutely certain that many people who are skeptical about this topic will immediately change their minds!

And I apologize, but could you please clarify this part? I didn’t understand it at all: “It’s not fair to judge anyone who wants to know exactly where their donations go.” - did I judge anyone?!  

[Lucius]

It’s hard for me to speak for someone else, and I won’t try to guess why the person who asked me for help acted the way they did. There are probably reasons for this that she considers important. And let me clarify once more—I’m not revealing this person’s name simply because we agreed on it; that was part of the request, and I keep my word. If she gives permission to publish her name, I’ll be happy to do so, because I’m absolutely certain that many people who are skeptical about this topic will immediately change their minds!

So we have a situation where a member of this forum who is an active member and participating in the sig campaign (according to everything written above), is asking you to start a fundraiser on her behalf without saying who exactly it is. Maybe it's not strange to you and some others, but to me personally it doesn't make sense for someone who needs help to hide behind someone else.

And I apologize, but could you please clarify this part? I didn’t understand it at all: “It’s not fair to judge anyone who wants to know exactly where their donations go.” - did I judge anyone?!   

In a way, yes when you say "To everyone else, I hope you never find yourselves in a similar situation, because... I think you already understand"

If I ever find myself in such a situation, I will not ask for anonymous donations through intermediaries - and considering that I am one of those children who, instead of playing on the playground, spent the best days of their childhood in dark basements, believe me, I know what life is like in war.

[DrBeer]

It’s hard for me to speak for someone else, and I won’t try to guess why the person who asked me for help acted the way they did. There are probably reasons for this that she considers important. And let me clarify once more—I’m not revealing this person’s name simply because we agreed on it; that was part of the request, and I keep my word. If she gives permission to publish her name, I’ll be happy to do so, because I’m absolutely certain that many people who are skeptical about this topic will immediately change their minds!

So we have a situation where a member of this forum who is an active member and participating in the sig campaign (according to everything written above), is asking you to start a fundraiser on her behalf without saying who exactly it is. Maybe it's not strange to you and some others, but to me personally it doesn't make sense for someone who needs help to hide behind someone else.

And I apologize, but could you please clarify this part? I didn’t understand it at all: “It’s not fair to judge anyone who wants to know exactly where their donations go.” - did I judge anyone?!   

In a way, yes when you say "To everyone else, I hope you never find yourselves in a similar situation, because... I think you already understand"

If I ever find myself in such a situation, I will not ask for anonymous donations through intermediaries - and considering that I am one of those children who, instead of playing on the playground, spent the best days of their childhood in dark basements, believe me, I know what life is like in war.

1. We have a folk proverb: “чyжa дyшa — як тeмнa нiч” In English, this translates to “A stranger's soul is like a dark night,” though I'm not sure that fully captures the meaning. To put it another way, it means that it's impossible to fully understand another person's thoughts or feelings. That's why I wouldn't try to talk someone out of doing something differently.
2. Let me clarify what I meant so that no one takes it as an insult—what I meant by that statement was that if you find yourself in a situation like this, you can’t count on unconditional help and support, and you need to be prepared for misunderstandings, accusations, and similar reactions. That’s just a fact, judging by this thread!
 
And I am truly sorry that you had to go through the war... it is truly a huge tragedy that leaves a deep and painful scar in our souls forever.
 

[Smartvirus]

Since drama from some charity threads years ago, the forum no longer accept posts about similar things, and you should delete content in the thread, move it to archival board.

Would you please read before you write?

The publication of this topic has been agreed upon with the forum administrators.

Threads like this one could serve as a sieve, let it ride and you would find a lot of jumps to conclusions and comments written out of anxiety.

What’s more surprising is, Theymos had a comment in bold letters on how, he allowed it but, can’t vouch for neither the storyline or the OP which actually means, there was a request and permit phase prior to the thread’s creation.

It then falls to every individual to act as it resonates with them, knowing that they can either be funding a just course or not but either way, you do so and know you are parting away with what you are willing to let go.

[Ultegra134]

Anyone who needs help should admit it publicly and not hide behind someone else. In this specific case, I think a lot more people would react positively if there was more transparency. It's not fair to judge anyone who wants to know exactly where their donations go.

I agree, and I'm not talking about this case in particular with DrBeer, but in general, how do we know that the funds aren't going to you? Those who truly seek help don't have others asking them for it. I really hope what you're doing is genuine, and if it is, don't expect some strangers on the internet to believe the same. So far we have a user who's already enrolled in a signature campaign, earning up to $400 per month, along with the soldier's salary which has been mentioned here, while the current living costs for Ukraine aren't that high, any sensible person could easily be led to believe what DireWolfM14 already mentioned. Someone is trying to live more lavishly than they can afford.

[Vod]

P.S. I’m not sure you have enough honor or courage for that; most likely, there will just be another stream of mudslinging and empty words

I'm sorry for triggering you. 

[DrBeer]

Anyone who needs help should admit it publicly and not hide behind someone else. In this specific case, I think a lot more people would react positively if there was more transparency. It's not fair to judge anyone who wants to know exactly where their donations go.

I agree, and I'm not talking about this case in particular with DrBeer, but in general, how do we know that the funds aren't going to you? Those who truly seek help don't have others asking them for it. I really hope what you're doing is genuine, and if it is, don't expect some strangers on the internet to believe the same. So far we have a user who's already enrolled in a signature campaign, earning up to $400 per month, along with the soldier's salary which has been mentioned here, while the current living costs for Ukraine aren't that high, any sensible person could easily be led to believe what DireWolfM14 already mentioned. Someone is trying to live more lavishly than they can afford.

I’m sorry, but you seem to be calculating the money without considering the context.
Let me explain the situation again:
2 adults
1 very young child
Living in Ukraine, Kyiv
A soldier’s salary is largely spent on additional ammunition and other specific needs. There are no subsidies or other financial assistance.
So, let’s assume a total income of $400 in benefits plus about $200 left over from the soldier’s salary, for a total of roughly $600 or 24,000 UAH. That’s for one adult and one child—let me clarify that again. As a resident of Kyiv, I can tell you—that’s very little. I’m curious to know what data you’re basing your conclusion on that “while the current living costs for Ukraine aren’t that high”? Kyiv, in terms of cost of living, is certainly not Zurich or London, but it’s not the African hinterlands either...

[Vod]

I’m sorry, but you seem to be calculating the money without considering the context.
Let me explain the situation again:
2 adults
1 very young child
Living in Ukraine, Kyiv
A soldier’s salary is largely spent on additional ammunition and other specific needs. There are no subsidies or other financial assistance.
So, let’s assume a total income of $400 in benefits plus about $200 left over from the soldier’s salary, for a total of roughly $600 or 24,000 UAH. That’s for one adult and one child—let me clarify that again. As a resident of Kyiv, I can tell you—that’s very little. I’m curious to know what data you’re basing your conclusion on that “while the current living costs for Ukraine aren’t that high”? Kyiv, in terms of cost of living, is certainly not Zurich or London, but it’s not the African hinterlands either...

So DrBeer, why can't she use the personal funds she received last summer - the ones she was using to guarantee her loan?   You reviewed everything and said it was above board. 

[DrBeer]

I’m sorry, but you seem to be calculating the money without considering the context.
Let me explain the situation again:
2 adults
1 very young child
Living in Ukraine, Kyiv
A soldier’s salary is largely spent on additional ammunition and other specific needs. There are no subsidies or other financial assistance.
So, let’s assume a total income of $400 in benefits plus about $200 left over from the soldier’s salary, for a total of roughly $600 or 24,000 UAH. That’s for one adult and one child—let me clarify that again. As a resident of Kyiv, I can tell you—that’s very little. I’m curious to know what data you’re basing your conclusion on that “while the current living costs for Ukraine aren’t that high”? Kyiv, in terms of cost of living, is certainly not Zurich or London, but it’s not the African hinterlands either...

So DrBeer, why can't she use the personal funds she received last summer - the ones she was using to guarantee her loan?   You reviewed everything and said it was above board. 

I can't understand your behavior—it doesn't fit the behavior of a sane person No, don't take offense; I'll prove it right here with solid arguments
 
The last question I asked you—pointing out that you were lying on purpose, and in a primitive and stupid way—went unanswered, which proved I was right and that you’re a liar. Now you’re DOING the exact same thing! Do you have some kind of mental masochism? Insecurities?   
 
Vod, be honest for once in your life—you just have an attention deficit, you have complexes and suffer because of it, and this is how you try to get at least some attention in such a simple-minded and stupid way?  I’ll be honest—it looks both pathetic and comical at the same time!
Let’s rephrase your question about some “credits from last summer” into this simple and honest question: why don’t you use the brain you were born with?
I’ll assume you’re just a mental masochist, so let’s continue “setting you straight,” once again showing that you’re a primitive liar and manipulator—especially since doing this is easy, fun, and USEFUL!
So, the questions:
1. Who is she? Who are you talking about? It’s hard for me to understand what’s going on in your head and who you mean in your hallucinations!
2. Whoever the person you’re “talking about” may be, provide links here to information about some “personal funds received last summer, which she used as collateral for a loan”?  A screenshot and a link!
Or EVERYONE,  ONCE AGAIN,  will see your deceitful little soul and your penchant for outright lies on any subject!

P.S. I suggest we start a casino called “Make Money Off Vod's Lies”—we'll place bets on whether Vod can back up any of his next lying and delusional posts... Looks like it'll be a sure-win casino 
 
       
 
       

[snowpega]

A huge thank you to the forum members who responded to the request for help!

This forum is a great place, and it's because of the people here.  Here is a testament to the generosity of at least one particular brother.  May God reward him for his generous act, and Insha'Allah may you and your beneficiary be deserving of the trust he demonstrated.

There is a hadith that says not to question those who ask.  Let your conscience be clear, and their request be justified.

MassahaAllah, dear, I really appreciate that, like the way you helped, and at the same time, the hadiths you mentioned.
I heard this hadith and remember these words, but I do not remember the full hadith right now.
It would have been more great if you had shared the reference of this hadith for people like me and many others.
May Allah bless you with a lot of happiness for this kind act.

[Vod]

I can't understand your behavior       

It's above you.  Can you tell us why Etranger doesn't use the large amount of personal funds she received last summer?

[Satofan44]

This is a very strange case and someone would be foolish to give any money without adequate information and transparency, basically in alignment with what most users said. Such stories should not be taken at face value simply because it is a higher ranking member involved, as if there weren't enough scams by high ranking members here.

If you are able to come up with $150k to pay back the initial loan irrespective of future funding, why bother with the loan in the first place?  If your proposal fails to obtain the $40 million you need, you will be out $150k, not $172,500.  Why risk putting yourself in the hole for another $22,500?

Because we need the funds now. Our personal funds will be available only in mid-July. By that time, it can be late to build a farm, because we will lose a lot of time, moreover, bull oriented time. Even if we build it as fast as it could be, the farm will start operating no early than October of the next year. We are aiming to launch it in February 2025, therefore we will have 9 month more for generating bitcoin.

This user is supposed to be loaded according to the situation to which Vod is referring to. If they are asking for money, through their proxy the OP, then something is very shady either with the original claim which must have been false and full of lies or with the current request. Whichever is the case, tread carefully. My answer is $0.

It's above you.  Can you tell us why Etranger doesn't use the large amount of personal funds she received last summer?

A very strange case indeed, and absolutely not a single valid reason to hide if the request is legitimate.

Regardless, this is reflective of the ridiculous request to borrow $150k to squander on a lavish lifestyle while trying to borrow $40m.  Either these people have absolutely no relationship with reality or they are flat out scammers.  For the sake of being kind the last time I encountered them, I chose to believe it's the former.

People who squander money on a lavish lifestyle should not be given help no matter in what situation they find themselves. They should take responsibility and face the consequences of their stupid actions.

[Decimetre]

This is a very strange case and someone would be foolish to give any money without adequate information and transparency, basically in alignment with what most users said. Such stories should not be taken at face value simply because it is a higher ranking member involved, as if there weren't enough scams by high ranking members here.

If you are able to come up with $150k to pay back the initial loan irrespective of future funding, why bother with the loan in the first place?  If your proposal fails to obtain the $40 million you need, you will be out $150k, not $172,500.  Why risk putting yourself in the hole for another $22,500?

Because we need the funds now. Our personal funds will be available only in mid-July. By that time, it can be late to build a farm, because we will lose a lot of time, moreover, bull oriented time. Even if we build it as fast as it could be, the farm will start operating no early than October of the next year. We are aiming to launch it in February 2025, therefore we will have 9 month more for generating bitcoin.

This user is supposed to be loaded according to the situation to which Vod is referring to. If they are asking for money, through their proxy the OP, then something is very shady either with the original claim which must have been false and full of lies or with the current request. Whichever is the case, tread carefully. My answer is $0.

It's above you.  Can you tell us why Etranger doesn't use the large amount of personal funds she received last summer?

A very strange case indeed, and absolutely not a single valid reason to hide if the request is legitimate.

Regardless, this is reflective of the ridiculous request to borrow $150k to squander on a lavish lifestyle while trying to borrow $40m.  Either these people have absolutely no relationship with reality or they are flat out scammers.  For the sake of being kind the last time I encountered them, I chose to believe it's the former.

People who squander money on a lavish lifestyle should not be given help no matter in what situation they find themselves. They should take responsibility and face the consequences of their stupid actions.

I took my time to follow this thread up and I can say that I still see no reason to contribute to such claim. From the OP's introduction I think that the said person is perhaps a renowned member and if that be the case, why hide behind anonymous to make such request? I don't know whatever reason hers is but it's not wrong to need help and no one is too big to ask for help. It's better the person's identity is revealed or better still, come and address the OP's claim. This will not only vindicate the OP but it will also give a good turn up from the many good spirited members of this forum. If identifying oneself can salvage a situation, why accept a low turnout simply because you want to remain anonymous.

The OP's reputation too is a stake if it's not proven beyond doubts. In a public forum, maximum transparency is gold.

[Ambatman]

The response by majority do far shows the damage fraudulent assistance for help
Has done with legitimate ones
I believe there are many that want to believe this but being in a forum about Bitcoin
Shows they won't want to trust without some verification.


I find it weird that you don't plan on sharing the name when it can be easily deduced
With the word know personally since there's only one known female you have used said word for.

My prayers to them and your country
Hopefully this unnecessary War ends sooner.

[DireWolfM14]

I heard this hadith and remember these words, but I do not remember the full hadith right now.

In an effort to keep this thread on topic I sent some references to your PM inbox, but here I'll post the Story of the Three Charities, which I think is fitting:

A man expressed his intention to give charity, so he came out with charity and placed it in the hand of an adulteress. In the morning, the people were talking and saying: charity was given to an adulteress last night. He (the giver of Sadaqa) said: 0 Allah, to Thee be the praise-to an adulteress. He then again expressed his intention to give charity; so he went out with the charity and placed it in the hand of a rich person. In the morning the people were talking and saying: Charity was given to a rich person. He (the giver of charity) said: 0 Allah, to Thee be the praise-to a well-to-do person. He then expressed his intention to give charity, so he went out with charity and placed it in the hand of a thief. In the morning, the people were talking and saying: Charity was given to a thief. So (one of the persons) said: 0 Allah, to Thee be the praise (what a misfortune it is that charity has been given to) the adulteress, to a rich person. to a thief! There came (the angel to him) and he was told: Your charity has been accepted. As for the adulteress (the charity might become the means) whereby she might restrain herself from fornication. The rich man might perhaps learn a lesson and spend from what Allah has given him, and the thief might thereby refrain from committing theft.

This is a very strange case and someone would be foolish to give any money without adequate information and transparency, basically in alignment with what most users said. Such stories should not be taken at face value simply because it is a higher ranking member involved, as if there weren't enough scams by high ranking members here.

It may have been foolish of me to give, but I was compelled by something bigger than this forum or the people making the request.

If you are able to come up with $150k to pay back the initial loan irrespective of future funding, why bother with the loan in the first place?  If your proposal fails to obtain the $40 million you need, you will be out $150k, not $172,500.  Why risk putting yourself in the hole for another $22,500?

Because we need the funds now. Our personal funds will be available only in mid-July. By that time, it can be late to build a farm, because we will lose a lot of time, moreover, bull oriented time. Even if we build it as fast as it could be, the farm will start operating no early than October of the next year. We are aiming to launch it in February 2025, therefore we will have 9 month more for generating bitcoin.

This user is supposed to be loaded according to the situation to which Vod is referring to. If they are asking for money, through their proxy the OP, then something is very shady either with the original claim which must have been false and full of lies or with the current request. Whichever is the case, tread carefully. My answer is $0.

I recon that whole thread smacked of lies and deception, and this thread is almost proof of that assessment.  I say almost because we still don't know for sure that the beneficiary of this request is Etranger since she refuses to comment here.  If it's not her, it would be easy for her to come here and say as much.  Her silence can only lead us to assume she is, in fact, the subject of this request.

Regardless, this is reflective of the ridiculous request to borrow $150k to squander on a lavish lifestyle while trying to borrow $40m.  Either these people have absolutely no relationship with reality or they are flat out scammers.  For the sake of being kind the last time I encountered them, I chose to believe it's the former.

People who squander money on a lavish lifestyle should not be given help no matter in what situation they find themselves. They should take responsibility and face the consequences of their stupid actions.

The lunacy of that 2024 request is immeasurable.  The shear audacity and lack of financial acumen and accountability demonstrated in the numbers proposed paints a picture of a very childish and inexperienced mindset, trying desperately to come off as worldly and educated.  It truly made me feel sorry for her, but again, my sympathy may have easily been misplaced.  Time will tell whether these people are here to pull an exit scam.  If they are, something tells me they aren't quite smart enough to make it a big one.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I will add my two cents to this discussion as evidence of how difficult it is to live in Kyiv. My friends and several of their families were unable to leave this city on time. While they were deciding whether to go to Europe or to Russia, one son was drafted into the army, and he died, to my deep regret. While the family was trying to get back to normal after such a tragic event, it became quite difficult to leave the city. The sums people had to pay to be released from the country reached mind-boggling amounts that ordinary people could not afford even in peacetime. They sold a lot to leave, but life there is not at all free, although at first, there were some benefits. In short, the amounts that we call normal for life, for Kyiv, now look like a trifle.
All the men are drafted into the army, without consent, and they are forced to hide or pay those who can send them to war.
The question for the OP is, why didn't your friend leave the country if she has children? I'm sorry about the situation, but again, the company's signature on two forums could have been multiplied into two or three accounts, naturally, without cheating. In this situation, this is a kind of way out and a privilege.
To those who have allocated their money, only respect, and yes, "give to him who asks you," and it will be given to you from above.
But unfortunately, even a small thing is sometimes very important to many.