Bird singing contest or hidden gambling?

[Darker45]

I don't think this is gambling. Paying an entry fee to qualify for a contest that has a prize doesn't make it gambling. Your entry fee isn't a bet. It's for you to be allowed to participate in the competition. And this normal. Many contests require participants to pay registration fees or entry fees. Or else the Miss Universe pageant would be considered gambling.

However, those side bets are gambling. But they aren't part of the event or the competition, so they shouldn't be included in the "elements that resemble gambling".

[viljy]

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What do you think?
Should activities like bird singing competitions be considered gambling or just a normal contest with prizes?

This is not a gambling game because it is a contest. Well, strictly speaking, betting on winners is not a gambling game - it's betting. Gambling is roulette, card games, etc. Not every game can be turned into gambling. For example, chess is a game, but not a gambling game. This is the difference between gambling and betting. Because absolutely anything can be turned into betting! Presidential elections, sports events, weather events, life and death, and even a chess game. But this does not mean that the presidential election turns into a gamble because someone has placed a bet on a candidate. Similarly, a birdsong contest does not become a hidden gambling game because someone bets on birds.

[gunhell16]

This contest is actually strange; I've only just heard of such events in other countries. My only question is, how do you know if a bird is singing? It seems like it's hard to determine if the
bird is singing. Then there are many people who participate in that contest.

Maybe it's just an amateur contest that's like a person's, not gambling, or it really depends on the gamblers who can still consider it a gamble if they have a bet that allows them
to choose which of the winners is the singing bird.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

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What do you think?
Should activities like bird singing competitions be considered gambling or just a normal contest with prizes?

Well, strictly speaking, betting on winners is not a gambling game - it's betting.

You may want to consult you definition table once again,. Betting is a subset of gambling and it involves wagering something to predict the outcome of an event, and in the bird singing contest, the side bets are betting and are still gambling.
Gambling is like an envelope that wraps all wagering activities. Betting is specific because it deals with wagering of mostly external activities like football, horse racing and is still applicable the the subject matter.

[viljy]

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What do you think?
Should activities like bird singing competitions be considered gambling or just a normal contest with prizes?

Well, strictly speaking, betting on winners is not a gambling game - it's betting.

You may want to consult you definition table once again,. Betting is a subset of gambling and it involves wagering something to predict the outcome of an event, and in the bird singing contest, the side bets are betting and are still gambling.
Gambling is like an envelope that wraps all wagering activities. Betting is specific because it deals with wagering of mostly external activities like football, horse racing and is still applicable the the subject matter.

You may not have caught the meaning of what I was trying to express. I'll try to explain it another way. Just forget the literal definitions of the terms for a while. Betting is one of the realizations of the human instinct of excitement (let's call it that).

Gambling is another form of realization of the instinct of excitement. Gambling is roulette, blackjack, dice, slots, aviator and others, but not chess or boxing. Do you see the difference? Gambling is based on pure chance. Where experience and skill matter, it's no longer gambling. This is the "betting territory".

But betting with bets can be made on anything at all! However, this does not automatically turn this "whatever" into a gambling game. That is, if you call a donkey a horse, then the donkey will not become a horse. Well, that's something like that. At least I tried to explain it as best I could.

[TedMosby]

Believe it or not, just beside my house (like just a few steps away), there’s a field where these bird owners gather every Sunday for a bird singing contest. At first, just a few people, now there are many. A free bird concert every Sunday. Hahaha…

I’ve never been there, only hearing it from my house. And sometimes, there’s a bird that gets loose from the cage and stays or flies around my house, and at that moment, I know, this is that bird… LOL.

I’ve never known how the winners are chosen. Just because of your post, I decided to Google how they pick the winners. And it turns out, it’s so complex yet objective. Even more complex than human's singing contests or pageant contests.

The bird singing contest is usually judged based on rhythm, tempo, sound stability, sound quality, variation, duration, loudness, etc [1][2].

Speaking of the gambling side, it’s just like any other activity. As long as there is a possibility, there’s a chance for gambling. If I am not mistaken, I also saw a video on social media of gamblers betting on the number of cars passing a specific road. IMO, this is easier to manipulate. You can pay people to pass the road, right? In this case, bird singing contest is more make sense.

Source:
[1] https://journal.jis-institute.org/index.php/jnik/article/download/505/303
[2] https://repository.dinamika.ac.id/id/eprint/1846/3/BAB_II.pdf

[goldkingcoiner]

Side-bets might be illegal, depending on the country and if you actually get caught or ratted out by someone, but they are not regulated or even watched (how would they be?) so there is nothing to worry about there.

The contest itself has no gambling aspect to it because people are not betting their money with the contest holder (but they are with each other, aka sidebets).

Bird singing contest sounds interesting though.

[Akbarkoe]

Competitions like this are just like other competitions or some human sports and so on, theoretically this is a form of competition format, pay for registration and compete to show your abilities and that's where you get the results whether or not you deserve to win the competition, there is no gambling element because this is a competition.

Unless you see a bird singing contest and you bet on one bird that you think will win, then you are gambling on a bird singing contest.