Why not make a rank higher than Legendary? Pros and cons please.

[Welsh]

Maybe a rank with some obscure rank requirements which go away from the traditional get enough merit / activity. Maybe, its awarded by the community. There's an annual vote where only x amount get the rank based on a community vote. Again, this isn't perfect as its subject to abuse and more of a popularity contest. Maybe, awarded by admins.

I don't know, but it would be cool to have some real Mythological ranked users who haven't just been around long enough and posted enough good quality posts. Maybe, they've had to actually contributed beyond that. Whether thats forum bugs, a spearhead in a significant community effort. I don't know just spitballing.

[Forsyth Jones]

Because the badges/rank above the legendary on ALTT are made by someone who is certainly a Star wars fan (just kidding lol, so to speak), besides, that forum isn't this forum. They are two different niches

Explain? Cause, they both are having crypto as niche, although sure not any prominent personalities have been active there as on this forum.

Yeah, both have crypto as their focus, although the name "altcoinstalks" is quite suggestive.

there they have mixers, not here anymore. but that's not the point of the discussion.

I like that forum as much as this one, both are good, although there are many more details to pay attention to over there, such as: reach, karma, badges, points (which are no longer useful for anything other than spending on mega smite...) for a new user (even a teleported one), it's very difficult to get familiar with all that. Here we practically only have activity, posts, and recently merits, and it works very well.

I never minded the ranks above legendary over there, but the merits here are already sufficient and work very well here and theymos himself doesn't see the need for it either. Besides this is a change that requires a lot of time, but it would be a good idea for April Fools this year.

[Findingnemo]

5K merits and 3K activity could be the perfect spot for the next higher rank and it will become rare though.

I also agree that got the motivation to rankup will certainly push users to keep contributing but those are very cases while the one who are already contributing will keep doing so, irrespective of their rankup and best part is many of them are refusing to wear paid sig while they could get into any paying campaign easily.

[SuperBitMan]

Human wants can never be satisfied, you have reached highest rank now you want another rank to be created so when you get to that rank I believe you will still want another rank to be created .
OP there’s no point in creating another rank because the rank level is just okay, if anyone is writing a good post because of rank and merit then the person really don’t understand the reason for this forum creation.
OP I know you want to go into another adventure in the forum, so I will advice you try pushing good posters to another rank, it’s a very good adventure start it and see how wonderful and exciting it will be.

Creating new rank will reduce merit circulation to newbies so it should never be allowed.

[mindrust]

Theymos already introduced the merit system and improved the current ranking system indirectly. A legendary with 1000 activity points and 1000 merits doesn't really have the same influence as a legendary account that has 4000+ activity points and 10k merits. As you see when everybody becomes a legendary, then the activity points (less important) and merits (more important) become the deciding factor for account quality. Introducing new ranks dont make no sense imo. We dont need it. This is a serious forum for the old school bitcoiners. We dont really like change. (At least I know I don't) I like this forum a lot for that reason. It has the feeling of a warez forum that had the same deisgn for a century. Luv it.

[Z_MBFM]

I do feel that altcoinstalks has it correct with two levels better than legendary.
Padawan
Mythical
Legendary
Hero

Altcoinstalks has put some more things there, should everything be implemented in Btt? I'm not saying against your opinion, what you said is definitely a good suggestion because there are many users on this forum who are very talented and they are earning thousands of merits but they also have the highest rank of Legendary, so some rank system can be done here to honor them, but I am not in favor of doing that after being inspired by Altcoinstalks. But yes, some higher rank system can be make here for higher status. But since this is only a technical and discussion forum, I don't think the matter of rank is very important, but if it is done, it won't be bad.

[Cookdata]

Pros

• It can encourage quality post among legendary members: Some legendary members don't put much efforts after attaining the rank. New rank could be a challenge for continuous quality contribution.
• Better differentiation between legendary members

I hope you know there are two type of legendary account on the forum. There are accounts that earned their merit from 0 to 1000 and there are legendary accounts that existed before the merit system was introduced, I doubt if an account will be active and earn merit only to attained legendary level and then stop posting because they reach the rank want.
Most often, people stop posting here if they no longer active here, you never can tell what people do outside the forum.

Cons

• It might encourage rank chasing behavior among legendary members and they start cycling merits among themselves
• It could devalue the already existing legendary rank
• The top will be too high for new users
• Can develop hunger for more higher ranks

From my thinking, the cons exceed the pros

Who is going to chase who? LoyceV has set the bar so high that the difference is to wide. Assuming 2500 merit is the new benchmark of the new rank, if Theymos agree to it, I'm sure it wouldn't make much difference because we have much people on the forum with more than that merit number. We have about 182 members with more than 2500 merit, more will come when they reach there but Theymos will likely trash this thread usual.

[Ambatman]

I don't really see any real downside of this
Maybe I'm just looking through a narrow lens
I feel with how activity could play a bigger role especially in signifying OGs
I'd say Ancient or Ancestor

5000 activity have been crossed only by selected few and could make it more appealing.

[libert19]

I don't know just spitballing.

Oh this is new word I learned today. I guess I am always spitballing then.

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I like that forum as much as this one, both are good, although there are many more details to pay attention to over there, such as: reach, karma, badges, points (which are no longer useful for anything other than spending on mega smite...) for a new user (even a teleported one), it's very difficult to get familiar with all that.

I agree with you on this. It's been a good while since I am active there, and still don't understand plenty stuff.

OP I know you want to go into another adventure in the forum, so I will advice you trying pushing good posters to another rank, it’s a very good adventure start it and see how wonderful and exciting it will be.

Are you putting yourself out there?

Creating new rank will reduce merit circulation to newbies so it should never be allowed.

Ok. This is new pov, not sure if I agree though.

I don't really see any real downside of this
Maybe I'm just looking through a narrow lens
I feel with how activity could play a bigger role especially in signifying OGs
I'd say Ancient or Ancestor

5000 activity have been crossed only by selected few and could make it more appealing.

I mean, do people understand what they are suggesting as a new rank is basically based on activity/merit that are SHOWN already — getting this clarity I don't really think we need new rank because numbers ALREADY speak for themselves. No need to complicate things imho.

Edit: ^ Don't think this reasoning should be used to remove ranks altogether tho.

[Dreadboost]

Instead of introducing new rank why not some certain feature for bitcointalk users who have achieved the legendary rank based on a specific number of merit and activity threshold

Eg. If a users reaches 10000th merit and 5000th activity, a feature that allows such user to change username at anytime will unlock
This is my humble suggestion.

[adultcrypto]

Philipma1957 is definitely feeling bored alread and needs something that seems like new milestone to achieve. Your suggestion will definitely unlock the ingenuity of some of the OGs that have been in legendary ranks for long and who might not have any motivation for creativity in the forum unlike lower ranks that are motivated by the desire to attain higher ranks. As beautiful as your suggestion might seem, I doubt Theymos and his team would want to implement that for the reason that the benefit may not match the efforts. Besides. It may look like we are copying altcoinstalk if we begin to add new ranks like they have over there.

[Franctoshi]

Legendary rank has been reach by many people is it time for a higher rank.
Obviously this would be good for someone like me since I would likely reach that next tier.
2500 merits not 1000.

Sarcastically, the number of ranks on altcoins talks is more than the number of rules here lol.. I doubt Theymos will consider adding new ranks because it's not of direct benefit to the forum. Assuming the stats you mentioned it might take me another third of a decade to achieve that rank.

Activity has been a big limitation for me though. Nonetheless it would be nice to have extra ranks for status sake I guess we have people that have been active here for over a decade and it's no small feat.

there is pretty much nothing to achieve for me.

and at least a dozen to 50 of us are old school 10 year plus members with thousands upon thousands of posts and legends.

it is a glass ceiling of sorts.

not knocking a five or six year member with 1500 plus merits that is a legend.

but a ten year member with 2500 or 3000 plus merits and 4000 or 5000 posts is truly a step higher then the five or six year member is he not?

You know how time flies, right? When such ranks are introduced or added to spice things up for the forum OGs, don't you think you're still going to get bored when you must have been in the same rank for another 5-10 years? As this will get other members of the forum to level up to try to catch up with the new ranks, though I don't know your age and when you intend to leave the forum for good, instead I think a special badge should be given to members that have earned such a number of merits.

[Ambatman]

I mean, do people understand what they are suggesting as a new rank is basically based on activity/merit that are SHOWN already — getting this clarity I don't really think we need new rank because numbers ALREADY speak for themselves. No need to complicate things imho.

Edit: ^ Don't think this reasoning should be used to remove ranks altogether tho.

There's difference between knowing and acknowledging
At least you knew that I might come from this angle
Everybody knows the criteria of Being Hero member why still place the rank.
I still believe those that have been active here for more than a decade deserves some recognition.


 

Creating new rank will reduce merit circulation to newbies so it should never be allowed.

Not true
The biggest hurdle of the new rank would be activity not merit
Even with 10000 merit you would still have to wait before a rank change.

The number of people with merit above 5000 are more than those with activity above 5000.

[GeorgeJohn]

Bitcointalk shouldn't emulate the ranking system of altcointalk, bitcointalk ranking system is different from altcointalk....Making a new rank in bitcointalk it will have both advantages and disadvantages....

        ■Advantages

▪︎ it will make the already legendary users to be more innovative and creative by making quality post,and also it will make legendary ransk members not feeling reluctant in the forum...

▪︎ it will also add more values in our everyday discussions

▪︎ it will make legendary member's to be more curious to ascertain another rank..

       ■Disadvantages

▪︎ They will be poor distribution of merits to the lower rank by the legendary

▪︎ It will be a competition to already ranked legendary that earned two thousand merits and above..if the merit of the new rank to be implemente is above two thousand, cycling of merit within the legendary might occur.
The decisions to make a higher rank that's above legendary, depends on theymos and the forum staffs, if it's needful to make a rank that's higher than legendary rank.

[un_rank]

In comparison with other ranks I do not think we have that many Legendary members when you consider the total number of active users. If you visit more constructive threads avoiding lots of spam on some boards you will come across more posts made by higher ranks.

If we are to have a new highest rank, the requirement should be in the range of 7000 to 10k merits earned to create that distinction between Legendary users and the true OGs on the forum

- Jay -

[Lida93]

I know this guy who was using iPhone 16 but decided to swap it for iPhone 17 pro max, his actual reason was that he has started seeing many people with the iPhone 16, and he wasn't feeling comfortable having it. Relating it to the new ranks upgrade suggestion, it's no bad an idea but I don't think if implemented it would stop there. A few years from now another crop of suggestions of more new ranks would still come up over and over again.

It was discussed many times even in 2015.

New rank?
What's above Legendary?
Above Legendary rank
What if Theymos added new Rank after Legendary?

For the reasons Theymos has given before now, I simply doubt he's going to change his position on this suggestion especially when it's not a suggestion that has to do with the technical development of the forum.

[Vod]

There used to be a time that people were content with the respect a high level title gave them.  You spend your time, you earn recognition.   Today it's more about earning potential than discourse. 

I've said this before in other topics - any additional ranks should not be universal.  Add requirements such as posting in a certain area - I could become Legendary Project Developer easily but it would be harder to get another rank like Legendary Trader since I did not post in the Marketplace much.

[LTU_btc]

Time from time this question is getting raised here. What I can say, this isn't most important question for me. But I have nothing against this proposal. I already don't remember how many years ago I become Legendary and that's all. I would like to have on more goal to reach. But if new higher than Legendary rank will be introduced one day, it's requirements should be that high that only exceptional members would be able to reach it.

[Mia Chloe]

If by some miracle we ever get a new rank, I would suggest that the conditions for it be such that it can only be achieved by those who have invested a lot of time in this forum, and those who are recognized by the community. My suggestion would therefore be 5000 activity points and 10 000 merits.

The last time I checked the general statistics on BPIP there were not up to 10 users with up to 5000 activity and literally all of them were top OGs some you've barely found any single of their post on recent threads. Well for the sake of the OGs I agree we might have one or two extra ranks.

But the big question is if the admins will actually add it. This topic has been discussed countless times and I don't think this might be the last either.

[Obim34]

IMO, the issue of new rank is subjective to theymos.

I say, we've never needed new ranks or Legendary status to identify users who are valued in the forum.

Using PowerGlove as an example, I don't see the user hitting 5000 activity anytime soon , and he already has more than 5K merits, which we well know his contribution to the forum. Using activity count isn't ideal, only those wearing signature codes and making 20-30 posts per week will be able to pull on such activity level, while we have those who aren't putting on signatures but a good asset to the forum...

don't they deserve such rank?