Capitaism is not the problem.

[stompix]

You may consider it anyhow you want, but we're one race, one people,  black love and if you don't want it, fine as for me, I will watch and see Africa Unite as one. And we do not need no western practices that steals our labour and resources in Africa anymore.

Yeah yeah black love....
Stop with the crap , everyone knows you were selling your own people as slaves for booze and guns and have done so for millennia for Arabs and for centuries to Europeans. Rwanda genocide? Was that black love when millions of black people killed millions of black people?

You keep on comparing Africa with Europe do you think they're any better?

One hundred billion times!
That's why Africans flee to Europe, not the other way around!

Africa had the African type of socialism, a communal system which was definitely different and peculiar to African heritage and which corruption was strictly checkmated from top to bottom until the colonialists arrived and distorted the system imposing an alien system to the African environment which hasn't in any reasonable way produced real development because it leaves the elite fantastically corrupt and stronger than public institutions.

Africa had tribalism, nothing else, that's why the society is so underdeveloped even now, that's why there are civil wars everywhere, and this is why you have coupsevey single damn year, stop lying to yourself and face the reality, it's not colonialism, it's not western influence that is to lame, it's you !
The whole blame the white people was trendy a decade ago, it's no longer so change the narrative to gain a few extra tears!

[barbara44]

Capitalism has never been the problem; the problem is playing the victim and thinking the world owes you something. There is inequality, yes, but capitalism allows people, in a way, to take control of their own destiny, unlike communism, where the state controls everything. Of course, some people have more "advantages," but that doesn't mean those who don't can't succeed and prosper.

That's not how it works, nobody, not even the most staunch leftists is saying that there is no corruption, or we are "owed" something. We are just saying that, instead of subsidies paid to Elon Musk for building a car and getting rich and the space ships, maybe give that back to people? Look at California for example, that's a "left" state, and yet they spent billions and did nothing for homeless people, there are in fact more now than before, after spending tens of billions.

It's not about left or right, it is not about capitalism or communism, it's all about efficiency and corruption. A place that is efficient and not corrupt, can be run by capitalism or communism and be fine, if it's corrupt then it can be run by capitalism or communism and it would be bad.

[r_victory]

It's not about left or right, it is not about capitalism or communism, it's all about efficiency and corruption. A place that is efficient and not corrupt, can be run by capitalism or communism and be fine, if it's corrupt then it can be run by capitalism or communism and it would be bad.

I liked your answer. When I mentioned communism, I was thinking about the theory that, in a way, seeks equality, and if, in practice, it were as in theory, who knows, maybe we would have a more just world? The problem is that, when the dictatorship of the proletariat tastes power, it doesn't want to let go. It ends up becoming what it criticizes.

In capitalism, there is no theory that isn't put into practice; it is what it is, and that's it.

Tell me a nation where there is efficiency and an absence of corruption. I'll move there immediately...

[MarjorieZimmermanGinger]

Most of the time, I see people blaming capitalism for the world's situation. I see it on the forum, I see it on social media and even on the news. But is capitalism really the cause of the world being shit today? If the whole world had other economic systems, would it be better than it is today? How about countries that use other economic systems? Are they perfect?

We blame the system, but we ourselves sometimes don't understand how to adjust in life so we end up blaming a particular system. There is no perfection in this world, be it the application of capitalism, presidential, parliamentary or other systems because each has a certain level of weakness. I like a system of freedom where people can gain wealth or even poor people can achieve wealth from the process they go through.

If there really is perfection, maybe we can show just one example so we can discuss whether the country could be better. Some countries have a view on the system and they use a particular system based on past decisions by considering the steps.

[Alpha Marine]

I liked your answer. When I mentioned communism, I was thinking about the theory that, in a way, seeks equality, and if, in practice, it were as in theory, who knows, maybe we would have a more just world? The problem is that, when the dictatorship of the proletariat tastes power, it doesn't want to let go. It ends up becoming what it criticizes.

This is why I would always continue to argue that communism is a concept that can only be possible in theory. It can never be practical. Even in a small community, a time will come when the system will break down because one cannot work more while others work less and benefit the same. And in a system like that, there will always be people who will take advantage of it and purposely work less, after all, they will all get the same thing. There is no incentive to work hard. Communism and Utopian society are the same thing in the sense that they only work in theory, but can never be practical, not in a million years.

Tell me a nation where there is efficiency and an absence of corruption. I'll move there immediately...

Exactly. That is why there is a system in place to check the behaviors of everybody. So if that system is broken, nothing will work.

[Betwrong]

Most of the time, I see people blaming capitalism for the world's situation. I see it on the forum, I see it on social media and even on the news. But is capitalism really the cause of the world being shit today? If the whole world had other economic systems, would it be better than it is today? How about countries that use other economic systems? Are they perfect?
~

No, they are not perfect, and they are definitely worse than capitalist economic system, which is not perfect either, but it’s obvious that most people in capitalist countries are better off economically. People blame capitalism because they’ve been told on the telly that global capitalism is the source of all their problems. It’s their local ruling elite that robs them constantly and then shifts the blame onto global capitalism.

[justdimin]

Most of the time, I see people blaming capitalism for the world's situation. I see it on the forum, I see it on social media and even on the news. But is capitalism really the cause of the world being shit today? If the whole world had other economic systems, would it be better than it is today? How about countries that use other economic systems? Are they perfect?
~

No, they are not perfect, and they are definitely worse than capitalist economic system, which is not perfect either, but it’s obvious that most people in capitalist countries are better off economically. People blame capitalism because they’ve been told on the telly that global capitalism is the source of all their problems. It’s their local ruling elite that robs them constantly and then shifts the blame onto global capitalism.

Are we sure? I mean it's also a bit about political situation. For example, Cuba is a bad nation that I would not want to live, specially right now, considering the energy crisis they are having. But is it fair to say that it's because of the system? Or is it because they are getting literally free donations due to bad situation, let alone the ones they are buying, and yet they are getting nothing because USA prevents them with u-boats and submarines and missiles and sending every trade back?

If USA had absolutely zero trade with the world, can't buy anything from any place, not even Canada or Mexico, nothing, from nobody, would it be still a strong nation? Not be able to sell, not be able to buy? I would guarantee you that they would be bad. Hell even right now, as the "biggest nation" in the world, they have MILLIONS dying from drug over dose or homeless. I bet my last dollar that it is not about the system, but about political power.

[stompix]

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Are we sure? I mean it's also a bit about political situation. For example, Cuba is a bad nation that I would not want to live, specially right now, considering the energy crisis they are having. But is it fair to say that it's because of the system? Or is it because they are getting literally free donations due to bad situation, let alone the ones they are buying, and yet they are getting nothing because USA prevents them with u-boats and submarines and missiles and sending every trade back?

Next time, before posting bullshit, go here:
https://oec.world/en/profile/country/cub?selector343id=Import

The most common origins of the imports of Cuba are Spain ($835M), China ($644M), United States ($519M), Brazil ($277M), and Italy ($201M).

Nearly all poultry and half of the pig meat, so basically 2/3 of all the meat Cuba buys comes the US!

Second, u-boot is a term for German submarines; nobody in the whole world other than Germany operates u-boots!
Third, as the data above shows, there are no missiles or torpedoes or anything else fired anywhere!

I bet my last dollar that it is not about the system, but about political power.

So what's the bet, 10 cents?

[Kelward]

No economic system is totally perfect but if I'm to choose between capitalism and socialism I will definitely go for capitalism and despite it's flaws which I believe are better than that of socialism it remains a better economic system. One of the merits of capitalism is competition among similar brands, everybody wants to sell their products which will improve quality and customer service. There is also price competition where every brand wants to give the consumers a competitive price among similar qualities to get a better patronage.

In all this you will see that capitalism brings fast innovations than socialism. This is why you see a country like USA is top in when it comes to private businesses because they give producers free hand and the producers in turn allows the forces of demand and supply to dictate price.

[summonerrk]

No economic system is totally perfect but if I'm to choose between capitalism and socialism I will definitely go for capitalism and despite it's flaws which I believe are better than that of socialism it remains a better economic system. One of the merits of capitalism is competition among similar brands, everybody wants to sell their products which will improve quality and customer service. There is also price competition where every brand wants to give the consumers a competitive price among similar qualities to get a better patronage.

In all this you will see that capitalism brings fast innovations than socialism. This is why you see a country like USA is top in when it comes to private businesses because they give producers free hand and the producers in turn allows the forces of demand and supply to dictate price.

As a rule, only those people who are afraid of open competition say nasty things about capitalism. And this is strange, because competition always creates the highest quality product, because people "vote with money" only for high-quality products. Because they have to give away their personal savings for this .
Well, socialism is pretty short-sighted, and it just creates bad goods that are simply given to people cheaply, even if they are for a small price, but I would prefer to pay for quality. That's why I like capitalism, and it's not worth building a bad relationship with competitors in it into a single truth.

[Crypto_Timothy]

The world is in a mess because the government that is supposed to make sure the world is in order is a mess itself. So if the government are that bad, how do you think the world would be if they had control of everything?

Well i can agree that governments play a very big role in how any system works, like no system is perfect on its own even capitalism or other systems depend a lot on how well they are managed and regulated by those in power basically. You see things like corruption and poor leadership and lack of accountability, they can make any system at all look very bad but good governance can make even a flawed system work better, so if you ask me, i would say it is just the intention, if the government intend good for their citizens they will create a system that will favour the citizens indeed.

[Betwrong]

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No, they are not perfect, and they are definitely worse than capitalist economic system, which is not perfect either, but it’s obvious that most people in capitalist countries are better off economically. People blame capitalism because they’ve been told on the telly that global capitalism is the source of all their problems. It’s their local ruling elite that robs them constantly and then shifts the blame onto global capitalism.

Are we sure? I mean it's also a bit about political situation. For example, Cuba is a bad nation that I would not want to live, specially right now, considering the energy crisis they are having. But is it fair to say that it's because of the system? Or is it because they are getting literally free donations due to bad situation, let alone the ones they are buying, and yet they are getting nothing because USA prevents them with u-boats and submarines and missiles and sending every trade back?

If USA had absolutely zero trade with the world, can't buy anything from any place, not even Canada or Mexico, nothing, from nobody, would it be still a strong nation? Not be able to sell, not be able to buy? I would guarantee you that they would be bad. Hell even right now, as the "biggest nation" in the world, they have MILLIONS dying from drug over dose or homeless. I bet my last dollar that it is not about the system, but about political power.

It’s nonsense, mate. It’s like asking, ‘Would a popular singer be so popular if he were mute?’ It’s obvious that natural resources don’t mean much in the modern world without cooperation with other countries. You can't be a "strong nation" in isolation nowadays.

[gracreavix]

I see a lot of people already saying and jumping straight to capitalism is the problem. Just lazy MF’s would conclude that easily haha. But i am still not going to say it don’t have it’s own problem, it has, Infact every other have. Infact this shouldn’t even be about which system has a problem or not, because they all do. Capitalism, socialism and so on.
The real question should be: looking at how the world actually works today, which one is more practical and preferable?

And for me I will say capitalism, not because it has no problem, but because it does work better at scale in real life. Talking about rewards initiative. For instant if you have a skill, an idea, or you’re willing to take risks and make bigger step, there’s room to grow. It’s not guaranteed success, yeah, but at least the opportunity exists. In stricter systems, that freedom is just too limited.

And another thing is, it drives innovation and critical thinking. Most of the tech and businesses and even opportunities we see today came from people trying to solve problems and make profit. That mind of profit is what actually push things forward faster and made the world what it is today.

[Strongkored]

It shouldn't matter if one person has more money than everyone else combined, as long as he made the money legally and ethically.

Most wealthy individuals, such as entrepreneurs, also acquire it through improper means. For example, they underpay their employees, file false tax returns, or exploit the natural environment, causing local residents to suffer losses without adequate compensation. Countries with abundant natural resources experience this, and it's also due to corrupt governments.

[Agbe]

In the household and house setting, when the head is bad it affects the other parts of rue house and that is what has happened in the world. The so called Capitalists Nations are not doing well to cube the poverty and inflation in the world so the following nations has no other options to do what their head as told them to do. I will use my country as an example. After the colonial government, the government control many things in the country and things were cheap for the poor to survive. Cement was cheap for the poor to build houses but today, give government has handed over everything to the private sector. And things are costly now and to build house now is a thug of war. A bag of cement was sold $2 as of the using the current exchange rate to calculate but today now a bag of cement is sold $13 in my community. And the cement company is owned by a citizen.

[Oluwa-btc]

I prefer capitalism because great nations all over the world are mostly capitalist countries. In a country, anyone can be rich as you can see anyone that is poor can become rich later in life. Just let us forget about inequity, this life is created not for everyone to be equal, regardless of the society that we are. Many wealthy people are not born rich, but they make their money.

But what I do not like is United State trying to influence other countries to do what they are doing. An example is Cuba which is a socialist or a communist country, but see how Donald Trump is pressuring the country. He arrested Maduro in Venezuela and tell the women there now in Venezuela not to ship oil to Cuba. Until recently that I heard Russia is shipping oil to Cuba.

Has Capitalism benefited Africans and Africa in anyway possible?!

Donald Trump is a comedian with dementia. I no longer take his words seriously even as a US president. Americans have attempted to suffocate Cuba for years and they're still doing and shame on the west not condemning this acts from Donald Trump. They're obviously refining the oil of Venezuela and only a strong military coup can stop that. That is stealing, looting and plundering of resources. Isn't this gutter behavior shameful to them?! Jesus Fvckn Christ!!

[Yeesha]

It shouldn't matter if one person has more money than everyone else combined, as long as he made the money legally and ethically.

Most wealthy individuals, such as entrepreneurs, also acquire it through improper means. For example, they underpay their employees, file false tax returns, or exploit the natural environment, causing local residents to suffer losses without adequate compensation. Countries with abundant natural resources experience this, and it's also due to corrupt governments.

Yeah exactly, I can relate and I believe all that is happening because they lack consciousness, they don't have even an atom of conscious. I couldn't even imagine the kind of problems some workers are actually facing after fulfilling some many goals and responsibilities, just to ensure the benefits of their employees and the growth and development of the company. I don't even understand, or should this be the end of humanity?

Some countries have several natural resources that could partially change the lives of the citizens and the standard of the country, but some people are actually taking advantage of it and use it for their own benefits due to corruption. Injustice is being serve and the less privileged are being derived from the opportunity of enjoy their lives with the natural products of their country.

[beerlover]

Capitalism is one part of the problem, human nature is another. Capitalism, when left to humans, will not be something that is what ideally it should be, neither is socialism, or anything else. If you leave it to humans, the human nature will make sure that it can corrupt it to its best. Will figure out a way to make sure that it looks like it makes sense, and corrupt it in a way where they would even have defenders.

Like someone who is worth a trillion dollars but pays less tax than a normal person in percentage, will defend it in size, because if you pay 5 billion dollars in taxes, it looks a lot, but people forget, that's just 5% of it, while you are paying 40% of it, and they will ignore that part a lot.

[Emitdama]

I prefer capitalism because great nations all over the world are mostly capitalist countries. In a country, anyone can be rich as you can see anyone that is poor can become rich later in life. Just let us forget about inequity, this life is created not for everyone to be equal, regardless of the society that we are. Many wealthy people are not born rich, but they make their money.

But what I do not like is United State trying to influence other countries to do what they are doing. An example is Cuba which is a socialist or a communist country, but see how Donald Trump is pressuring the country. He arrested Maduro in Venezuela and tell the women there now in Venezuela not to ship oil to Cuba. Until recently that I heard Russia is shipping oil to Cuba.

Has Capitalism benefited Africans and Africa in anyway possible?!

Donald Trump is a comedian with dementia. I no longer take his words seriously even as a US president. Americans have attempted to suffocate Cuba for years and they're still doing and shame on the west not condemning this acts from Donald Trump. They're obviously refining the oil of Venezuela and only a strong military coup can stop that. That is stealing, looting and plundering of resources. Isn't this gutter behavior shameful to them?! Jesus Fvckn Christ!!

The only reason for Cuba to be going through what they are going through is that USA knows exactly well , very well, that communism works in that kind of small population island. You take a nation that is very small, and you can make communism work, because it is not a huge place, with a giant economy so there is no reason for liberal ways to work. That is the only reason, and ever since Cuba defeated them, they felt shame and wanted to keep on making sure they do war of attrition against them.

If USA did not prevent Cuba to get something, they would have been better right now, Cuba would have been prospering, it is only because of USA that Cuba is not doing great, because everything they are getting, all the ships, are being blockaded.

[Alpha Marine]

Has Capitalism benefited Africans and Africa in anyway possible?!

What exactly has benefited Africans? Their government has refused to let anything work for them. Military rule has clearly not worked, socialism has not worked, capitalism has not worked. When are we going to look at what the actual problem is? The problem is not capitalism, the problem is the people in charge of the countries. Better Countries that are way better than African countries all practice capitalism, so if it doesnt work in Africa, it means the problem is not capialism.

In fact. as horribe as African leaders are in a capitalist and democratic syetm, imagine how horrible they would be in a socialist and Authoritarian system. But why do you need to imagine, you can simply look at history and see how badly those systems were in different African countries.

The only reason for Cuba to be going through what they are going through is that USA knows exactly well , very well, that communism works in that kind of small population island. You take a nation that is very small, and you can make communism work, because it is not a huge place, with a giant economy so there is no reason for liberal ways to work. That is the only reason, and ever since Cuba defeated them, they felt shame and wanted to keep on making sure they do war of attrition against them.

If you want to talk about something, the least you can do is read about that thing and make sure you know what you're talking about.
Cuba has a population of about 10 million. If you knew anything about communism, you would know there is simply no way it can work in a place with that kid of population. I doubt commuism can even work in a place of about 5000 people. This is because there is no way that everybody will work according to their capacity but earn according to their need. So a man that can work only 2 hours but have a large family will earn more than a man that works 8 hours with no family.
In what utopian world is that possible? Even you won't agree to live in that kind of society. With time, the man that works eight hours will decide to work less, afterall, he will earn the same thing no matter how he works.

You guys should learn to seperate certain things. It's okay to condemn the US for it's role in Cuba and it's still possible to condemn communism because it doesn't work. It jus keeps the economy poor and people poorer.