baba2020
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holydarkness vanished the moment OP submitted every single piece of proof requested. Every document. Every log. Every explanation. Gone.
And let's be clear , the fact that an innocent person was forced to prove their innocence in the first place is already an embarrassment to this entire process.
Now Shuffle's allegations have completely fallen apart, and what we're left with is simple: they took $30,000 from OP and walked away. It seems the mediator (holydarkness) was never really one , just Shuffle's guy with a neutral-sounding title. Tim hasn't shown his face in weeks. Noah didn't even show up once.
Yet Noah showed up for Nateshawn's complaint , a customer with a long history of suspicious bets and alleged match fixing. It seems Shuffle had real evidence the games were fixed and paid him anyway. Now they refuse to pay an honest customer with not a single evidence and a clean record. Maybe Nateshawn had connections. Big ones. Maybe this forum isn't the right arena to resolve something like this ,I don't know. But it is unbelievable.
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Rating Place
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Normally one party brings up that they want binding arbitrage. In this case, holy initiated the "binding" talk. We should have known right there what the outcome would be.
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rohang
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May 13, 2026, 09:37:39 AM |
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holydarkness vanished the moment OP submitted every single piece of proof requested. Every document. Every log. Every explanation. Gone.
And let's be clear , the fact that an innocent person was forced to prove their innocence in the first place is already an embarrassment to this entire process.
Now Shuffle's allegations have completely fallen apart, and what we're left with is simple: they took $30,000 from OP and walked away. It seems the mediator (holydarkness) was never really one , just Shuffle's guy with a neutral-sounding title. Tim hasn't shown his face in weeks. Noah didn't even show up once.
Yet Noah showed up for Nateshawn's complaint , a customer with a long history of suspicious bets and alleged match fixing. It seems Shuffle had real evidence the games were fixed and paid him anyway. Now they refuse to pay an honest customer with not a single evidence and a clean record. Maybe Nateshawn had connections. Big ones. Maybe this forum isn't the right arena to resolve something like this ,I don't know. But it is unbelievable.
Big call on the nateshaw thing, as per him shuffle still paid him inspite of the history and fixing proof. Why is it different with OP here? sites that get too big like this apparently they think they can do whatever they want without having to provide any explanations. Holy should complete what he started, i understand some comments might have been too much but now OP is stuck without any fault of his.
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May 13, 2026, 04:21:40 PM Last edit: May 13, 2026, 04:43:58 PM by Rating Place |
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holydarkness vanished the moment OP submitted every single piece of proof requested. Every document. Every log. Every explanation. Gone.
And let's be clear , the fact that an innocent person was forced to prove their innocence in the first place is already an embarrassment to this entire process.
Now Shuffle's allegations have completely fallen apart, and what we're left with is simple: they took $30,000 from OP and walked away. It seems the mediator (holydarkness) was never really one , just Shuffle's guy with a neutral-sounding title. Tim hasn't shown his face in weeks. Noah didn't even show up once.
Yet Noah showed up for Nateshawn's complaint , a customer with a long history of suspicious bets and alleged match fixing. It seems Shuffle had real evidence the games were fixed and paid him anyway. Now they refuse to pay an honest customer with not a single evidence and a clean record. Maybe Nateshawn had connections. Big ones. Maybe this forum isn't the right arena to resolve something like this ,I don't know. But it is unbelievable.
Big call on the nateshaw thing, as per him shuffle still paid him inspite of the history and fixing proof. Why is it different with OP here? sites that get too big like this apparently they think they can do whatever they want without having to provide any explanations. Holy should complete what he started, i understand some comments might have been too much but now OP is stuck without any fault of his. There’s $30,000 on the line. This is a shady business. Shuffle may have told holy to drop out. It could be worse. We don’t know why the OP is getting stiffed but something isn’t right. It’s naive to think otherwise.
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T1HGO
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
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Rating Place
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May 13, 2026, 05:09:20 PM |
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I gave you some. You don’t have to do anything. Merit and trust abuse has gotten out of control.
It’s not contradicting. Holy’s methods were to find something wrong with the OP. He ignored the match fixing. I wouldn’t be on him if he went about it in a fair manner.
I don’t know why he dropped out. All I know is he moved sig campaign to BetPanda, protected BetPanda and later he admitted to being bias. After the campaign ended he reopened the case.
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holydarkness
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May 13, 2026, 05:14:53 PM |
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
I am bound by my words that I will not engage in one specific sensitive situation and whatever it touches for one whole week. Please hold this thought, I'll revisit it when Monday come. But... no, this thread should not be a merit-farming thread, that it sadly has turned into, out of control, one would say.
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Rating Place
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May 13, 2026, 05:19:12 PM Last edit: May 13, 2026, 05:39:49 PM by Rating Place |
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
I am bound by my words that I will not engage in one specific sensitive situation and whatever it touches for one whole week. Please hold this thought, I'll revisit it when Monday come. But... no, this thread should not be a merit-farming thread, that it sadly has turned into, out of control, one would say. just make a ruling. You called for binding arbitration. The parties weren’t the ones that originally asked. You trapped the OP. You made it so he couldn’t go elsewhere. After all of this was exposed and the OP is innocent, Shuffle isn’t talking to other sites. I’ve seen it all when it comes to sportsbooks scamming players but this takes the cake. It was actually brilliant.
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nutildah
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May 13, 2026, 06:54:35 PM |
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But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Because he can do no right in their eyes and his critics will find a way to use whatever he says as a reason to crap on him. After enduring relentless harassment, he chose to back out, which I do understand. He's convinced that he knows what he knows, but unfortunately with no further word from Shuffle, the rest of us are not.
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rohang
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May 13, 2026, 07:14:44 PM |
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
I am bound by my words that I will not engage in one specific sensitive situation and whatever it touches for one whole week. Please hold this thought, I'll revisit it when Monday come. But... no, this thread should not be a merit-farming thread, that it sadly has turned into, out of control, one would say. just make a ruling. You called for binding arbitration. The parties weren’t the ones that originally asked. You trapped the OP. You made it so he couldn’t go elsewhere. After all of this was exposed and the OP is innocent, Shuffle isn’t talking to other sites. I’ve seen it all when it comes to sportsbooks scamming players but this takes the cake. It was actually brilliant. I would request you to take a break from this thread until if and when holy comes back with his findings. Its in the interest of OP.
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Rating Place
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May 13, 2026, 07:20:30 PM |
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
I am bound by my words that I will not engage in one specific sensitive situation and whatever it touches for one whole week. Please hold this thought, I'll revisit it when Monday come. But... no, this thread should not be a merit-farming thread, that it sadly has turned into, out of control, one would say. just make a ruling. You called for binding arbitration. The parties weren’t the ones that originally asked. You trapped the OP. You made it so he couldn’t go elsewhere. After all of this was exposed and the OP is innocent, Shuffle isn’t talking to other sites. I’ve seen it all when it comes to sportsbooks scamming players but this takes the cake. It was actually brilliant. I would request you to take a break from this thread until if and when holy comes back with his findings. Its in the interest of OP. You're probably right. Although without the box score and game flow, the OP would have been found guilty of match fixing because of the flag. There was nothing else to go by.
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holydarkness
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May 13, 2026, 07:37:24 PM |
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
I am bound by my words that I will not engage in one specific sensitive situation and whatever it touches for one whole week. Please hold this thought, I'll revisit it when Monday come. But... no, this thread should not be a merit-farming thread, that it sadly has turned into, out of control, one would say. [...] I would request you to take a break from this thread until if and when holy comes back with his findings. Its in the interest of OP. No. No. No. One has been taking action endlessly, and now the reaction come. It's the most basic principle of physics of action and reaction. Newton's third, I believe. One has been questioning and derailing situation on many threads just to prove nonexistent point of one's identity crisis, ones that One spoke without regards to others situation and outcome, simply to made One sound important of what seemingly why One asked for spotlight. So the ask has been given, and the spotlight is One's. I'm off this case, the other mediator who offered themselves, the one, can take over and made their ruling. And one's call and words on this thread, shall reflect as One's own reaction after One's cumulative actions. Remember: this forum grants freedom of speech. But freedom of speech doesn't equal to freedom of responsibility for the speech. So One has to come to the spotlight, by One's own action, as the other retract themselves.
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Rating Place
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May 13, 2026, 07:45:45 PM |
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
I am bound by my words that I will not engage in one specific sensitive situation and whatever it touches for one whole week. Please hold this thought, I'll revisit it when Monday come. But... no, this thread should not be a merit-farming thread, that it sadly has turned into, out of control, one would say. [...] I would request you to take a break from this thread until if and when holy comes back with his findings. Its in the interest of OP. No. No. No. One has been taking action endlessly, and now the reaction come. It's the most basic principle of physics of action and reaction. Newton's third, I believe. One has been questioning and derailing situation on many threads just to prove nonexistent point of one's identity crisis, ones that One spoke without regards to others situation and outcome, simply to made One sound important of what seemingly why One asked for spotlight. So the ask has been given, and the spotlight is One's. I'm off this case, the other mediator who offered themselves, the one, can take over and made their ruling. And one's call and words on this thread, shall reflect as One's own reaction after One's cumulative actions. Remember: this forum grants freedom of speech. But freedom of speech doesn't equal to freedom of responsibility for the speech. So One has to come to the spotlight, by One's own action, as the other retract themselves. if you are going to do arbitration you have to have a thick skin. You are in a no win situation which is why I don’t like it. One side is going to be mad and it can get brutal. This is a fact base case. Was he guilty of match fixing or not. You made up a new gambling term, the player was “integrity betting”. The OP was accused of match fixing, a violation of the integrity of the game. It must be played fair. Even though I’ve gone overboard, although I believe everything I said, you asked for this to be binding. You must make a decision without excuse of why you want out. Ignore everything except the facts.
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May 13, 2026, 07:59:38 PM |
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Damn, i wasn't aware this was a merit farming thread! I hope i'm not too late to the party. And all i have to do is badmouth holydarkness?
Hey yo @holydarkess, fuck you dude. Boo!!! Terrirble service! 0 stars! Thumbs down and dislike! *Giff merit pls*
On a more serious note
OP has nothing to do between the beef between Rating Place and holydarkness. He shouldn't be catching strays. It's unfair. So he should definitely finish this case in my opinion.
But it seems there's also some conflicted people here. On one hand they want holydarkness to finish the case, and on the other they criticize his methods and question his integrity. It's a bit contradictory.
Good luck OP. If not here, at another mediation site.
I am bound by my words that I will not engage in one specific sensitive situation and whatever it touches for one whole week. Please hold this thought, I'll revisit it when Monday come. But... no, this thread should not be a merit-farming thread, that it sadly has turned into, out of control, one would say. [...] I would request you to take a break from this thread until if and when holy comes back with his findings. Its in the interest of OP. No. No. No. One has been taking action endlessly, and now the reaction come. It's the most basic principle of physics of action and reaction. Newton's third, I believe. One has been questioning and derailing situation on many threads just to prove nonexistent point of one's identity crisis, ones that One spoke without regards to others situation and outcome, simply to made One sound important of what seemingly why One asked for spotlight. So the ask has been given, and the spotlight is One's. I'm off this case, the other mediator who offered themselves, the one, can take over and made their ruling. And one's call and words on this thread, shall reflect as One's own reaction after One's cumulative actions. Remember: this forum grants freedom of speech. But freedom of speech doesn't equal to freedom of responsibility for the speech. So One has to come to the spotlight, by One's own action, as the other retract themselves. I understand your point, i do. But you made both OP and shuffle a binding mediation offer. Then i would presume it would be binding on you too to finish this through, when every info has been provided to you. Regardless of all other comments by anyone, you should just finish what you started. And maybe take a break from this board and i dont see how it is a good use of your time. Only a lose lose situation for you IMO
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To clear up that it was the integrity of the game, not the integrity of the OP making integrity bets. Dear pvzera1,
Your bets placed on the match Pato Basquete vs SC Corinthians Paulista on 07.03.2026 from 21:58 UTC onwards have been reviewed by our third-party integrity monitoring partners. Following that review, credible integrity concerns have been identified in relation to the event.
As a result, the bets have been voided in accordance with our Sports Rules and Regulations, which form part of our Terms and Conditions. The relevant provisions state:
"Bets may be suspended indefinitely if result integrity is in doubt. In cases of suspected match-fixing, Shuffle may delay or void settlements. ... Shuffle may also void bets at its sole discretion where credible suspicion of manipulation exists, even in the absence of official confirmation."
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact support. However, our decision on this matter is final.
Kind regards, Shuffle Team rohang .....Regardless of how fishy it may be, there is 0 proof or even inclination that something shady happened in the game...... Mahdirakib .....Although OP didn’t have such high betting activity before, it still doesn’t look like match fixing to me. He was following the odds and betting on the most likely outcomes....... baba2020 The match was not fixed. Shuffle's own process confirmed that. The mediation fell apart because there was nothing solid to hold it together. No public evidence. No ban. No integrity report from any governing body. No issues with the account......
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To clear up that it was the integrity of the game, not the integrity of the OP making integrity bets. Dear pvzera1,
Your bets placed on the match Pato Basquete vs SC Corinthians Paulista on 07.03.2026 from 21:58 UTC onwards have been reviewed by our third-party integrity monitoring partners. Following that review, credible integrity concerns have been identified in relation to the event.
As a result, the bets have been voided in accordance with our Sports Rules and Regulations, which form part of our Terms and Conditions. The relevant provisions state:
"Bets may be suspended indefinitely if result integrity is in doubt. In cases of suspected match-fixing, Shuffle may delay or void settlements. ... Shuffle may also void bets at its sole discretion where credible suspicion of manipulation exists, even in the absence of official confirmation."
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact support. However, our decision on this matter is final.
Kind regards, Shuffle Team rohang .....Regardless of how fishy it may be, there is 0 proof or even inclination that something shady happened in the game...... Mahdirakib .....Although OP didn’t have such high betting activity before, it still doesn’t look like match fixing to me. He was following the odds and betting on the most likely outcomes....... baba2020 The match was not fixed. Shuffle's own process confirmed that. The mediation fell apart because there was nothing solid to hold it together. No public evidence. No ban. No integrity report from any governing body. No issues with the account...... Have you tried to start mediation for OP? Already been a long time now since his bet and guy still has no answers
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To clear up that it was the integrity of the game, not the integrity of the OP making integrity bets. Dear pvzera1,
Your bets placed on the match Pato Basquete vs SC Corinthians Paulista on 07.03.2026 from 21:58 UTC onwards have been reviewed by our third-party integrity monitoring partners. Following that review, credible integrity concerns have been identified in relation to the event.
As a result, the bets have been voided in accordance with our Sports Rules and Regulations, which form part of our Terms and Conditions. The relevant provisions state:
"Bets may be suspended indefinitely if result integrity is in doubt. In cases of suspected match-fixing, Shuffle may delay or void settlements. ... Shuffle may also void bets at its sole discretion where credible suspicion of manipulation exists, even in the absence of official confirmation."
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact support. However, our decision on this matter is final.
Kind regards, Shuffle Team rohang .....Regardless of how fishy it may be, there is 0 proof or even inclination that something shady happened in the game...... Mahdirakib .....Although OP didn’t have such high betting activity before, it still doesn’t look like match fixing to me. He was following the odds and betting on the most likely outcomes....... baba2020 The match was not fixed. Shuffle's own process confirmed that. The mediation fell apart because there was nothing solid to hold it together. No public evidence. No ban. No integrity report from any governing body. No issues with the account...... Have you tried to start mediation for OP? Already been a long time now since his bet and guy still has no answers I wasn’t 100% sure about the seriousness of transferring the case. I did send a PM to Shuffle and they didn’t reply. I think you made a strong point saying that holy was also part of the binding agreement. It would be unfair of him not to make a call.
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