Lithuania proposes mandatory gambling player cards from 2029

[Oshosondy]

The gambling card was proposed by Lithuania’s Ministry of Finance. It will be a mandatory ‘player cards’ to monitor individuals’ gambling activities across both online and physical venues.

It is said to help against problem gambling but which may be true, but I do not think so because I know the extent that gambling addicts can go just for them to satisfy themselves. Maybe it can be true for those that are not yet addicted, but once they get the card, I do not think that can be true.

I believe it can help in restricting people not to gamble if they are not yet of legal age to gamble.

https://igamingbusiness.com/sustainable-gambling/lithuania-proposes-mandatory-gambling-player-card-from-2029/

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

[Porfirii]

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Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

As you said, it can be helpful for people below legal age, but how can it help adults? Adults are supposed to be free to make their own decisions, even if they are wrong. So, even if even if it was done with good will, wouldn't banning adults from gambling go against a basic principle of freedom?

Sorry, I don't think this is a good idea, just like the card for watching porn that was proposed for Spain. Such monitoring does not seem to be in line with the principles and rights that are held up in the European Union.

[dimonstration]

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

The effectiveness rely on the implementation of the country and cooperation of the casino operators. If casino operators will strictly adhere on requiring this player card only as way to gamble I think this will work but I doubt online casino operators will be included on the scope since there’s a lot of online casino that doesn’t regulated by the government.

There’s also the possibility of collusion between operators and players to bypass this limits especially for VIP players.

An issue like this happened in my country when a Government employee managed to play in the casino even though they are not allowed to play. The disturbing part is the casino representative itself provides fake ID just to let this people gamble because they are high roller.

[julerz12]

So the main idea is to only allow transactions like deposits and withdrawals through that "player card", and then gradually remove cash payments. Hmmm. Cough *crypto   
Good idea, but implementing that could be a total nightmare. That country would have to restrict or ban crypto usage, other international online casinos, and VPNs (cause you know, that's one way to get around the IP bans/geo-restrictions).

enable government authorities to monitor deposits and winnings across different operators

Maybe they just want to monitor the big spenders and tax them accordingly? 

[Rruchi man]

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

Something just tells me that the chronic problem gamblers will still seek a way to keep gambling. There will be loopholes in its enforcement, and those loopholes will be exploited.

I think it is very difficult to force people to stop gambling or to force them into responsible gambling. Such decisions have to be taken by the gambler willfully, and as a government, their actions should perhaps be to help the addicted and almost addicted to gambling make the decision to gamble responsibly or even quit. The way the government can achieve this is by proper orientation campaigns for people to know and understand the dangers.

[EarnOnVictor]

The gambling card was proposed by Lithuania’s Ministry of Finance. It will be a mandatory ‘player cards’ to monitor individuals’ gambling activities across both online and physical venues.

What's not clear is that they claimed it's a non-cash card replacing the cash system. Is that not a payment systems too (cash)? Just being converted/restructured into another system.

It is said to help against problem gambling but which may be true,

This could be true, but if the government says it's helping you, just know it's more than that. I believe they care more about accountability and AML.

I believe it can help in restricting people not to gamble if they are not yet of legal age to gamble.

This is an extra potential benefits of the system, provided they plan it well.

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

If the government cares, yes!

[Nwada001]

This new law will only be more effective on those who choose to gamble in their traditional casinos and don't have anything to do with online casinos, and the country will also have to make sure that there is no means for the citizens to gain access to online casinos, and the ones they will gain access to should be in compliance.

The only payment option should be through the card, but we know how hard it could be to control some things; the only thing that card will possibly be able to control is the age limit. As for gambling activity control, people will find their way to bypass it.

[iv4n]

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

Strengthens the prevention of problem gambling
“It strengthens the prevention of problem gambling and ensures that the main objective, reducing access to gambling and its potential harm to health, is actually achieved,” the minister said.

I hate when they say how they want to help, but actually they want more control...

The gambling card can be a good thing if some players choose to use it... that way, the player will always know how much he spent on gambling, his overall score, and other stuff. But when it comes to crypto, what stops anyone from creating a special gambling wallet that can do the same thing? At the same time, the players will have full control over their funds, which is not the case when someone else controls access. Not your keys, not your coins, not your money...

[Richbased]

I believe it can help in restricting people not to gamble if they are not yet of legal age to gamble.

If the gambling player's card will be used to checkmate those who are not up to the legal age to gamble then i don't see how helpful it is to gamblers. Age is not a problem in gambling but addiction is. The only thing that will mean a lot to gamblers right now is providing a rehabilitation if they care much about the well-being of gamblers in the country because that is the only problem that is on rampage in gambling. If people can gamble more responsibly or the government provides measures to tackle gambling addiction, it will be a great help but i don't think casino owners will even welcome anything that will bring sanity to gambling addicts since they make so much money from them. Maybe they're just looking for ways to start taxing gamblers in the country, that's just what i can think of.

enable government authorities to monitor deposits and winnings across different operators

Maybe they just want to monitor the big spenders and tax them accordingly? 

That's exactly what they wanno do.

[rdluffy]

...It will be a mandatory ‘player cards’ to monitor individuals’...

I don’t know exactly how the Lithuanian government works, but this just sounds like yet another way to monitor and control what citizens do: mandatorily and with no way out

It always starts this way, with supposed measures for “citizen protection,” but they’re really just ways to control citizens
Maybe they’re worried about collecting more taxes

Does anyone from Lithuania know if all gambling is legal in the country?
Or there is any restriction?

[KiaKia]

The gambling card was proposed by Lithuania’s Ministry of Finance. It will be a mandatory ‘player cards’ to monitor individuals’ gambling activities across both online and physical venues.

It is said to help against problem gambling but which may be true, but I do not think so because I know the extent that gambling addicts can go just for them to satisfy themselves. Maybe it can be true for those that are not yet addicted, but once they get the card, I do not think that can be true.

I believe it can help in restricting people not to gamble if they are not yet of legal age to gamble.

https://igamingbusiness.com/sustainable-gambling/lithuania-proposes-mandatory-gambling-player-card-from-2029/

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

If they don't do this we won't get some facts, I like how they are going about this, it's true that some gamblers are crazily irresponsible when they gamble, but there is also a chance that of them got robbed indirectly.

Most of the times we all blame those addicted gamblers and because of them people who are innocent failed to get justice, maybe this is a start of something good? Atleast we will have some data?

It's just a shame that this is only for Lithuania, it would have been a banger if other

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

In my opinion, this player's cards which they want to enforce might work effectively in physical casinos and probably local online casinos within their jurisdiction but when it comes to other crypto offshore casinos, this players card might not player any role which it was designed for and the reason I said so is because crypto enthusiasts in that place can just chose to be betting with their Bitcoin. They will bet freely and not used the card and in a situation where Lithuania bans an offshore casino that doesn't comply to the players card policy, the citizens would still use VPN and remember that there are even casinos that allows VPN.

[Mahiyammahi]

I believe it can help in restricting people not to gamble if they are not yet of legal age to gamble.

https://igamingbusiness.com/sustainable-gambling/lithuania-proposes-mandatory-gambling-player-card-from-2029/

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

Yes government can impose this types of Rules on their constitutes. If a user is only bound to register with their card information then government can easily track them. Also govt can easily collect tax on gambling. Young generation are falling on gambling without knowing it's bad sided. Before they could understand they fall addicted.

I think if gov Wants to deal with these issue by monitoring hard they can achive it .

[LTU_btc]

I'm from Lithuania and it's first time when I hears aboutsuch thing like gambling player card. I read article now and I still don't get how it's going to help fighting with gambling addiction. It's only tool to follow how muych each gambler is spending on these things.
And don't know how much such card is going to cost, but it's going to be another way to collect some taxes in this way.

Maybe they just want to monitor the big spenders and tax them accordingly? 

I'm sure that they want to monitor everything, but ttax accordingly - probably no because we don't have such thing like progressive taxes.

Does anyone from Lithuania know if all gambling is legal in the country?
Or there is any restriction?

It's legal, but in general, all foreign betting or gambling websites is considered illegal. From Bet365, Pokerstars to all crypto gambling websites like Rainbet, Sportsbet and etc, they're all illegal and blocked. Though, you only have to change DNS to bypass restriction.
Only these operators who is registered in Lithuania and have their physical offices is considered as legal ones.

[BABY SHOES]

In my opinion, this player's cards which they want to enforce might work effectively in physical casinos and probably local online casinos within their jurisdiction but when it comes to other crypto offshore casinos, this players card might not player any role which it was designed for and the reason I said so is because crypto enthusiasts in that place can just chose to be betting with their Bitcoin. They will bet freely and not used the card and in a situation where Lithuania bans an offshore casino that doesn't comply to the players card policy, the citizens would still use VPN and remember that there are even casinos that allows VPN.

Casinos that are still from government supervision then this player card will indeed be effective so that any gambling activity will be easily tracked because it is closely monitored... maybe the country's goal is with physical casinos not with crypto casinos.

Imagine that crypto casinos are easy, they are free to do this without government supervision, therefore the player card will not be useful at all... This is just a plan while the reality is still far away, maybe this proposal will never happen, we don't know whether the government will be strict or not.

[CryptSafe]

It is nice that the government has made such a provision for the gambling community so as to help them put their gambling lifestyle on a check, and I believe it would help a lot for those who want to reduce the rate at which they gamble. This would be a checker, though, but the government would always be the government they are, and their entitlements would always be taken through the card if it has a fund option in it.

My own view about this card is that gamblers can curtail their gambling excesses, and also the government can be of help to assist anyone who is struggling with addiction, because they can set a limit for themselves, and when it exceeds the limit, the card shuts down till the next gambling time as programmed. But I was also thinking if this would really help because most gamblers can bypass protocol through any means fit for them, so how would the government keep track of gambling activities completely when such can happen? Would casinos play along with the government? How about DEX casinos that allow the use of vpn?

[Smartprofit]

So the main idea is to only allow transactions like deposits and withdrawals through that "player card", and then gradually remove cash payments. Hmmm. Cough *crypto   
Good idea, but implementing that could be a total nightmare. That country would have to restrict or ban crypto usage, other international online casinos, and VPNs (cause you know, that's one way to get around the IP bans/geo-restrictions).

enable government authorities to monitor deposits and winnings across different operators

Maybe they just want to monitor the big spenders and tax them accordingly? 

I think this is the worst-case scenario... 🤷

In my opinion, censorship of financial transactions violates fundamental human rights. This is why I am a staunch opponent of central bank digital currencies. The mere mention of the acronym CBDC gives me goosebumps and a cold sweat...

If an adult has money, then, in my opinion, they have every right to spend it as they wish. Property rights are a fundamental human right. If a person has earned money, why are they denied the right to spend it as they wish? And if they enjoy gambling, why can't they play without player cards and without anyone's permission?

In my opinion, this is a very dangerous path. It all starts with localized attempts to protect people from some minor danger and ends with total bans, blocking, and human rights violations.

[r_victory]

I believe it's a way of identifying gamblers, a kind of registration like an official document. It's unlikely to help with anything related to addiction; it will serve more as a control, I don't know, even a form of surveillance.

Just a story I saw the other day in a documentary; I know it's not related to the topic, but it's related to gambling cards. A woman disappeared after spending some time in a casino and was seen talking to and then leaving with a man from there. The police managed to find and locate this man because he used his gambling card at the casino. It was confirmed that he had murdered the woman.

[Mia Chloe]

The gambling card was proposed by Lithuania’s Ministry of Finance. It will be a mandatory ‘player cards’ to monitor individuals’ gambling activities across both online and physical venues.
I is said to help against problem gambling but which may be true, but I do not think so because I know the extent that gambling addicts can go just for them to satisfy themselves. Maybe it can be true for those that are not yet addicted, but once they get the card, I do not think that can be true.

It might only end up assisting in successfully monopolizing casinos in that region and not the real problem. Addicts have nothing important to do with their time that's why they burn it all up on casinos losing most of their money.
The crazy psychology is trying to deprive them doesn't really stop them from being addicts because last I checked addicts will always find it possible to find flaws in such a system that will still end up allowing them satisfy their addiction. The implementation may work but I wanna assume the success is very limited.

[Chinesebaby]

The gambling card was proposed by Lithuania’s Ministry of Finance. It will be a mandatory ‘player cards’ to monitor individuals’ gambling activities across both online and physical venues.

It is said to help against problem gambling but which may be true, but I do not think so because I know the extent that gambling addicts can go just for them to satisfy themselves. Maybe it can be true for those that are not yet addicted, but once they get the card, I do not think that can be true.

I believe it can help in restricting people not to gamble if they are not yet of legal age to gamble.

https://igamingbusiness.com/sustainable-gambling/lithuania-proposes-mandatory-gambling-player-card-from-2029/

Can the card help against problem gambling through government monitoring?

But if I may ask, will this card be applicable to all online and offline gambling platforms? Or is it going to be applicable to just a particular casino that has both online and offline presence. Because whichever the case may be, if only gamblers can be able to gamble freely without yhe need of this card on third party casinos, then it simply means the goal of trying to regulate gambling and how people play it, so as to avoid scenarios that might lead to a gambling addiction will not be fully achieved. But however, 2029 is 3years from now. So let's see if by then they might have been able to come up with a reasonable conclusion.