Negative trust from holydarkness – time to address the real problem

[Rating Place]

baba20 on the fixed match.

I have never seen anything like this in my life. Shuffle's 'evidence' was never released because it simply does not exist. Innocent people are not supposed to prove their innocence, yet OP was interrogated endlessly, asked to provide everything about his life, his account, his betting history, while Shuffle provided ZERO. Not a single sports provider flag, not a single report, not a single governing body statement, not any "IP" that prooves someone used his acc, shuffle should have all this evidences from his account. nothing. NOTHING. And yet the OP is the one being put on trial?

Come on holydarkness, how much did Tim or Noah pay you to 'decide' this mediation? Because that's exactly what this looks like. They couldn´t even come here to defend themselves because they know they don´t have any valid argument, pathetic.

And let's talk about your mediation being completely invalid and garbage. You couldn't even follow the basic terms of the agreement that OP wrote. OP allowed Shuffle to submit evidence related to the integrity of the specific event and match fixing. What did Shuffle send you? His betting history. That's it. That's their 'evidence'. And you ran with it like it meant something. And kept asking for inumerous other things not related to anything that was agreed and worst, didn´t even any provide any evidence of any other issue related to his account.
This is not mediation. This is a joke. A bad one. Hahahaha come on, you could apply directly for Shuffle's advocate.

Now you can "nudge" Tim and get a beer to celebrate.

Shuffle´s pocket exists, don´t place big sports bet there.

Yes or no, Joe. That's the only question you should focus yourself right now, regardless on this thread or its twin, if you really want to clear your name by creating this thread instead of playing smoke and mirror.

Yes or no. No need to bring other topic, that's for... discussion for other time [on other thread].

Bear in mind: I deliberately made it your twin thread so the purpose is clear: you locked the thread where I attempted to clear the matter you're so busy with these past few days: the negative feedback. These twins residing in Repu board, they're far more serious than her sister-board, SA. If you keep chasing tails and running and prancing, they'll see you like onion glass while we try to peel the sold opaque onion.

I'll advise you to give that simple but very impactful question an answer before all overseers see who you really are. Yes, we have a written contract and I'll show why casino can not ignore flag, or no, we don't have contract because you actually also know that many casino has to obey provider's flag, floowed by a very clear explanation why you peer pressuring [and you took pride in it] casinos to pay.

I don't have to prove anything. You have to prove I deserve negative trust. You should be jailed for what's been going on the last 2 years. Later I'll post how many posters said there was no proof of match fixing.

[holydarkness]

I don't have to prove anything. You have to prove I deserve negative trust. You should be jailed for what's been going on the last 2 years. Later I'll post how many posters said there was no proof of match fixing.

The proof is there, explained in details, with evidence, why the description of the tag said what it said. It's clear as day. I wanted to address other matters just to give you chance to get that to neutral or perhaps removed, hence my thread, as yours was locked.

And now you ran here, arguing about "censorship" while all I do is to keep you contained and focused in the topic, to counter your well-known strategy of deflection by bringing other topic that's very very irrelevant. Like above.

Remember, DTs are watching. All prominent members are watching that while you create this thread to address my tag, when given chance to discuss it, you deflect.

So, Joe, yes or no? It's simple. You don't have money that much? Can't you borrow someone? Remember, the other side of the offer was me completely gone from the thread, for good. And since you must have right [that's why you're so sure and parading around SA with the propaganda, is it not?] you can practically borrowed the fund for a day, get it escrowed, and then returned. After all, I'm wrong [from your POV]. The money is secure.

What stopped you, Joe?

[Rating Place]

I don't have to prove anything. You have to prove I deserve negative trust. You should be jailed for what's been going on the last 2 years. Later I'll post how many posters said there was no proof of match fixing.

The proof is there, explained in details, with evidence, why the description of the tag said what it said. It's clear as day. I wanted to address other matters just to give you chance to get that to neutral or perhaps removed, hence my thread, as yours was locked.

And now you ran here, arguing about "censorship" while all I do is to keep you contained and focused in the topic, to counter your well-known strategy of deflection by bringing other topic that's very very irrelevant. Like above.

Remember, DTs are watching. All prominent members are watching that while you create this thread to address my tag, when given chance to discuss it, you deflect.

So, Joe, yes or no? It's simple. You don't have money that much? Can't you borrow someone? Remember, the other side of the offer was me completely gone from the thread, for good. And since you must have right [that's why you're so sure and parading around SA with the propaganda, is it not?] you can practically borrowed the fund for a day, get it escrowed, and then returned. After all, I'm wrong [from your POV]. The money is secure.

What stopped you, Joe?

No one agreed with you. There was no proof. The accusation was match fixing.

 You did the same with BetPanda when they paid you through the sig campaign. This time $30,000 was on the line. There was no question what would happen.

 Don't ask questions, show me what I did wrong other than exposing your every scam where you rule for the book.

You are crooked. I'd never make a bet with you.

[nutildah]

Just STOP. I'll post quotes.

This is the reason you pose a problem to the forum: you said something that was incorrect, were shown information that proved you were incorrect, and instead of admitting it you doubled-down, leaving yourself holding an indefensibly wrong position.

You've demonstrated this exact behavior repeatedly when attempting to intervene in Scam Accusations: an utter disregard for transparent reality. It is impossible to progress in any meaningful fashion in matters as complicated as these casino issues with this mindset. When you base your position on wrong information, you are not only wasting everybody's time but the time and possibly even money of casino complainants.

[Rating Place]

baba20 on the fixed match.

I have never seen anything like this in my life. Shuffle's 'evidence' was never released because it simply does not exist. Innocent people are not supposed to prove their innocence, yet OP was interrogated endlessly, asked to provide everything about his life, his account, his betting history, while Shuffle provided ZERO. Not a single sports provider flag, not a single report, not a single governing body statement, not any "IP" that prooves someone used his acc, shuffle should have all this evidences from his account. nothing. NOTHING. And yet the OP is the one being put on trial?

Come on holydarkness, how much did Tim or Noah pay you to 'decide' this mediation? Because that's exactly what this looks like. They couldn´t even come here to defend themselves because they know they don´t have any valid argument, pathetic.

And let's talk about your mediation being completely invalid and garbage. You couldn't even follow the basic terms of the agreement that OP wrote. OP allowed Shuffle to submit evidence related to the integrity of the specific event and match fixing. What did Shuffle send you? His betting history. That's it. That's their 'evidence'. And you ran with it like it meant something. And kept asking for inumerous other things not related to anything that was agreed and worst, didn´t even any provide any evidence of any other issue related to his account.
This is not mediation. This is a joke. A bad one. Hahahaha come on, you could apply directly for Shuffle's advocate.

Now you can "nudge" Tim and get a beer to celebrate.

Shuffle´s pocket exists, don´t place big sports bet there.

Yes or no, Joe. That's the only question you should focus yourself right now, regardless on this thread or its twin, if you really want to clear your name by creating this thread instead of playing smoke and mirror.

Yes or no. No need to bring other topic, that's for... discussion for other time [on other thread].

Bear in mind: I deliberately made it your twin thread so the purpose is clear: you locked the thread where I attempted to clear the matter you're so busy with these past few days: the negative feedback. These twins residing in Repu board, they're far more serious than her sister-board, SA. If you keep chasing tails and running and prancing, they'll see you like onion glass while we try to peel the sold opaque onion.

I'll advise you to give that simple but very impactful question an answer before all overseers see who you really are. Yes, we have a written contract and I'll show why casino can not ignore flag, or no, we don't have contract because you actually also know that many casino has to obey provider's flag, floowed by a very clear explanation why you peer pressuring [and you took pride in it] casinos to pay.

You don't understand flags. When there is an unusual bet, a flag goes up. It can be pregame or during the game. It's just a warning. Sometimes wagering gets halted. A flag went up. Then the game was played and everyone said there was no fix. It was just an unusual bet. I don't know how you do these things to players.

@nutildah, You continue to post fake news.

You mixed up the XYes cases. There were 2 XYes cases. I told you that your quotes were wrong when you kept posting God of Thunder's quotes.

nutildah is now up to 14 unsolicitad direct follows in this thread alone. I may go do this for the year since scam accusations is 100x worse.

I'm locking the thread. You two are insane. nutildah just gave me neutral trust because he mixed up the XYes cases.

[Rating Place]

The current $30k match fixing case shows why holy gave me negative trust. He doesn’t want me presenting evidence for players. It’s similar to what he’s doing in his thread. He deletes my posts to cover up evidence, my replies to his allegations. That’s why I had to reopen this.


1. Match fixing

Posters said the player was innocent of match fixing so holy kept adding charges.


2. Integrity Betting. Made up gambling term and rule by holy.
3. Two people betting from same acount.
4. Now it’s collusion.


Charge by Shuffle.

 Bets may be suspended indefinitely if result integrity is in doubt. In cases of suspected match-fixing, Shuffle may delay or void settlements. ... Shuffle may also void bets at its sole discretion where credible suspicion of manipulation exists, even in the absence of official confirmation."

Shuffle uses the word “result” meaning the result of the game. “If result integrity is in doubt”

[holydarkness]

The current $30k match fixing case shows why holy gave me negative trust.

holy gave you negative trust because you forced a false narrative of someone else's post and statement as mine, and insist on it until two DT forced it into you and "expose" you of the manipulation. I'll call it slander instead of libel because I don't want it to stuck in permanence as the forum is all for forgiving nature. But ok, I'll label as what it exactly is: a libel,

a form of defamation expressed in a permanent or written format (such as printed articles, social media posts, or pictures). It occurs when false, harmful statements are published about someone, intentionally causing damage to their personal or professional reputation.

and now it become permanent. I'll update the reference thread and add libel to it.

He doesn’t want me presenting evidence for players. It’s similar to what he’s doing in his thread. He deletes my posts to cover up evidence, my replies to his allegations. That’s why I had to reopen this.

Again, misleading. In it's worst form. Everybody overseeing your take-over as mediator can see the obvious: once you take the torch, instead of neutrally mediating [as per your own statement that you've been mediating years more than me], you,

Since holy is out, flag time? The match wasn’t fixed and the play came from one device.

if this is not the most gross conduct of what a neutral mediator exhibit, I don't have a better word to describe that. You literally, literally resort on flag, to peer pressure the casino, instead of trying to reach the second party and give them chance to explain themselves and provide their own proof. Not even bother to listen to them. You got the greenlight by the player that you're the mediator, then you went straight to intimidation by flag.

Tell me if this is a trait that shold be owned by a mediator? A NEUTRAL mediator?

1. Match fixing

Posters said the player was innocent of match fixing so holy kept adding charges.


2. Integrity Betting. Made up gambling term and rule by holy.
3. Two people betting from same acount.
4. Now it’s collusion.


Charge by Shuffle.

 Bets may be suspended indefinitely if result integrity is in doubt. In cases of suspected match-fixing, Shuffle may delay or void settlements. ... Shuffle may also void bets at its sole discretion where credible suspicion of manipulation exists, even in the absence of official confirmation."

Shuffle uses the word “result” meaning the result of the game. “If result integrity is in doubt”

As evidenced and can be seen by anyone with IQ above room temperature [in Celsius], shuffle's charge is not match fixing. Broken down:
1. Shuffle may suspend a wager for indefinite time if integrity is questioned.
2. Integrity here is in wide term, ranging from match fixing [that allow them to void] or...
3. snip snip snip snip, integrity as when in their sole discretion they have credible suspicion that manipulation exist, even by absence of official confirmation.

By my communication with Tim from Shuffle, it was made clear that their official suspicion, that put an exact label to "integrity is questioned" to a possibility of collusion where player lend their account to someone to put wager [very high, outlier, wager] with their account [#196], that goes alongside Shuffle ToS of account ownership.

No one, literally no one, on that thread stick to match fixing after that explanation, as they understand now that the real confiction and what we try to prove or disprove is a situation where the player give access of their account to someone else, to put high wagers, in [presumably] certain profit-sharing agreement.

The only being who stick to yell "no match fixing" was and is you, all while the other ignore as you put yourself in a position in a way that's no longer can be lower than rock bottom.

Now, I've addressed the matter: no match fixing. I've explained in abundant, I'll respect it if you can move to this twin sister's thread and address my point: the prompt that you placed to the LLM/GPT/AI to produce such explanation of turnkey.

Failed to do this, I will be forced to see it as the last strand of attempt to deflect, that you learned that turnkey model actually force casino [sportsbook] to obey the flag, and thus you lost your wager with me, where I stake my reputation and my DT1 status and you "took the bait" and entered it with agreement to pay me 1,560,000 USD.

Failed to address the matter on my side of the twin-thread that's heavily moderated for the sole purpose of keeping you from deflecting and running away by smoke and mirror, and I will issue the receiving address for 1,560,000 USD by 24 hours at the soonest, and in 48 hours following the address, if the fund is yet to be credited, it shall be perceived as violation of our contract and I am forced to raise a flag against your account.

[Rating Place]

Just make it shorter with bulletin points next time.

1. I’ve been here 12 years. All 3 of you have me negative trust during this $30k case . I’ve been backing an innocent player and you want to quiet me down.

2. If it’s a forum post, it’s libel, not slander. This is the problem. You keep saying things that are false backing the player. You’re wrong about the rules of turnkey sportsbooks but just like libel, you’ll argue it forever.

3. You refused to give me the authority to make the decision binding. Say that you’ll hand down my decision and it’ll be down in two days.

4. Sportsbook binding arbitration is fact based. It’s similar to court. A judge can look at the facts and hand down summary judgment. No trial is necessary. It’s not a negotiation. You asked the player for a video and do double blind studies.

5. Because you keep dragging cases out and tacking on charges, I have to keep posting to show what you are posting is false.

6. Look at the charge and make the book prove the charge. It’s real easy. Don’t make up rules and dig deeper.

[holydarkness]

Just make it shorter with bulletin points next time.

Made exactly that on my first response on your thread. Literally. You ignored. I made a better one, a QnA form, in the twin-thread of this, yet you keep evading the direct answer. So, not sure why you suggest bullet points, given I've give you that and it didn't work, and even more simpe QnA form also meet deflection, smoke, and mirror.

1. I’ve been here 12 years. All 3 of you have me negative trust during this $30k case . I’ve been backing an innocent player and you want to quiet me down.

relevancies?

2. If it’s a forum post, it’s libel, not slander. This is the problem. You keep saying things that are false backing the player. You’re wrong about the rules of turnkey sportsbooks but just like libel, you’ll argue it forever.

Fine, libel, which hold more permanent presence, as you wished. I'll refer them to libel instead of slander next time the topic brought to discussion. And still, you're failed to show the prompt you asked to generate explanation as what you describe on the neighboring thread [#54] you're scared your strawman crumbled when you're asked to be transparent and provide what's asked?

Remember: you're the one initiate this thread, this is the board where DTs presence are heavily required and they're most active in exercising their judgment, decision making, and power. You lit your own candle.

3. You refused to give me the authority to make the decision binding. Say that you’ll hand down my decision and it’ll be down in two days.

Nope. I hand it to you fully, but you ruin it with "flag time" [#283] that made the OP seemingly even question your neutral mediation capability as you don't bother to ask the other party [the sportsbook]. You can't find anyone in your contact who are willing to cooperate with you as they know our biased reputation [I mean, you bragged it out loud, everywhere], so instead of exhausting any other possible way, you resort to your infamous peer-pressure method. Thus, "flag time", that the OP of that dispute itself were worried of your nature of neutrality and hooked me back to the mediation.

4. Sportsbook binding arbitration is fact based. It’s similar to court. A judge can look at the facts and hand down summary judgment. No trial is necessary. It’s not a negotiation. You asked the player for a video and do double blind studies.

Address my point in this twin-sister thread and we'll see who speak the truth

5. Because you keep dragging cases out and tacking on charges, I have to keep posting to show what you are posting is false.

6. Look at the charge and make the book prove the charge. It’s real easy. Don’t make up rules and dig deeper.

Problem is: what you posted IS false and it derail the situation to stone age. There were no match fixing. What we investigate is the breach of account integrity, whether or not the player lend their account to someone.

[Rating Place]

You're insane is the problem. Look at the questions being asked in the current value betting case. 



Go worry about the $30k match fixing case. Look at the evidence, nothing more.

[holydarkness]

You're insane is the problem. Look at the questions being asked in the current value betting case.

LAUGHING MY FUCKIN ASS OUT. That quote is clearly toshiban v. Toshi Casino. It's a completely different case from pvzera1 v. Shuffle. What exactly you're trying to achieve by bringing and introducing that OOT thread into the equation? To further cast smoke and screen and mirror?

Remember, Rating Place, and this is a friendly suggestion: you're in Repu board, by your own choice. Your posts are heavily scrutinized by DTs.

[Rating Place]

It's your quote. Stop the nonsense. You are asking the player to run around the house and talk to his family members. It's the value betting case.

When you want to know if someone else played on the account, ask the player to look at his bet history to see if anything is unrecognized. Don’t tell him to ask others who may lie.

Now just go away. People said neutral was fine.

I just open this to reply when you delete my answers in your thread.