♻️ DEX.fo — Auto Crypto Exchange 💚 NO KYC/AML 💚

[irfan_pak10]

A big thank you to the DEX.fo team for supporting our project. 🙏

DEX.fo has been providing a privacy-focused cryptocurrency exchange experience with a strong emphasis on simplicity, anonymity, and user freedom.

We appreciate your sponsorship and trust in our vision. Wishing the DEX.fo team continued success, growth, and many more milestones ahead.

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[Hamza2424]

A big thank you to the DEX.fo team for supporting our project. 🙏

DEX.fo has been providing a privacy-focused cryptocurrency exchange experience with a strong emphasis on simplicity, anonymity, and user freedom.

We appreciate your sponsorship and trust in our vision. Wishing the DEX.fo team continued success, growth, and many more milestones ahead.

Congratulations, Irfan. Getting a sponsorship is not a small thing. Dex.fO knows how to keep the community excited in times like this.

I will make sure to participate in this event, bro, although I don't know much about this stuff haha. Seriously, I have stayed away from sports for quite some time, especially the ones mentioned on the site, but I will give this one a try because of Dex.FO and your efforts.

[MarryWithBTC]

Congratulations, Irfan. Getting a sponsorship is not a small thing. Dex.fO knows how to keep the community excited in times like this.

Dex is simply community oriented. They know how to engage with the community and get results.

I will make sure to participate in this event, bro, although I don't know much about this stuff haha. Seriously, I have stayed away from sports for quite some time, especially the ones mentioned on the site, but I will give this one a try because of Dex.FO and your efforts.

The fantasy I know about is for EPL. I don't know how the WC fantasy looks and besides the tournament has already started, I wouldn't know how to join.

[AakZaki]

✅ Low Fees 0.8 - 1.5%!

Is this fee valid for all types of exchanges? I found a fee that is around 30% for exchanges at the minimum limit and 10% for larger amounts.

I don't know if this has been asked or not; I must have just seen and it doesn't fit as written in the OP.


If that's the case, it's really very expensive when compared to your competitors.
However, if this is part of the bug, I hope you can fix it.

[TryNinja]

Is this fee valid for all types of exchanges? I found a fee that is around 30% for exchanges at the minimum limit and 10% for larger amounts.

I don't know if this has been asked or not; I must have just seen and it doesn't fit as written in the OP.


If that's the case, it's really very expensive when compared to your competitors.
However, if this is part of the bug, I hope you can fix it.

TRON network fees are high. It will take a nice part of your output amount if you send a small amount like $100.

1000 USDT (tron) to USDT (eth) becomes 982 USDT (around 1,7% fee). If you assume the TRON fee is $6, that's a final fee of 1,2%.

[irfan_pak10]

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Congratulations, Irfan. Getting a sponsorship is not a small thing. Dex.fO knows how to keep the community excited in times like this.

I will make sure to participate in this event, bro, although I don't know much about this stuff haha. Seriously, I have stayed away from sports for quite some time, especially the ones mentioned on the site, but I will give this one a try because of Dex.FO and your efforts.

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Thank you bro, You dont need to know much about the Football, our algorithm will give you best recommendation to build a team, Just build a team once that can be used in the whole tournament, You can also update the team before each match, with the transfer you get, each match you'll get ~3 transfers.

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The fantasy I know about is for EPL. I don't know how the WC fantasy looks and besides the tournament has already started, I wouldn't know how to join.

Will host EPL fantasy as well, Its still in early phase if you want to explore.


Actually Fantasy + Crypto is unique angle that we are focusing, no one until now has properly launched this system, we ae hopping to bring in new users that are new to crypto and bring them on board with the help of our sponsors.

[AakZaki]

TRON network fees are high. It will take a nice part of your output amount if you send a small amount like $100.

1000 USDT (tron) to USDT (eth) becomes 982 USDT (around 1,7% fee). If you assume the TRON fee is $6, that's a final fee of 1,2%.

How high do you mean and which Exchange is high? USDT withdrawals from many CEXs for the TRON network are no more than $2.
And let's compare it with its competitors:

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $30 will be $29.33 = 2.2%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $30 will be $25.77 = 14%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $30 will be $20.8 = 30%

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $100 will be $99 = 1%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $100 will be $95 = 5%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $100 will be $90 = 10%

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $995.45 = 0.45%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $984.88 = 1.5%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $982 = 1.7%

From this data we know which is the most expensive.

[MarryWithBTC]

✅ Low Fees 0.8 - 1.5%!

Is this fee valid for all types of exchanges? I found a fee that is around 30% for exchanges at the minimum limit and 10% for larger amounts.

I don't know if this has been asked or not; I must have just seen and it doesn't fit as written in the OP.


If that's the case, it's really very expensive when compared to your competitors.
However, if this is part of the bug, I hope you can fix it.

If you scroll up, you will see my second review and I noted same thing as you did and thought it was a bug - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5580629.msg66832386#msg66832386

But the admin responded here with clarity - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5580629.msg66835278#msg66835278

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The fantasy I know about is for EPL. I don't know how the WC fantasy looks and besides the tournament has already started, I wouldn't know how to join.

Will host EPL fantasy as well, Its still in early phase if you want to explore.


Actually Fantasy + Crypto is unique angle that we are focusing, no one until now has properly launched this system, we ae hopping to bring in new users that are new to crypto and bring them on board with the help of our sponsors.

I will love to participate then. I always avoid it when it is excessively casino. But a calm marriage with crypto will be appreciated by me.

[TryNinja]

How high do you mean and which Exchange is high? USDT withdrawals from many CEXs for the TRON network are no more than $2.
And let's compare it with its competitors:

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $30 will be $29.33 = 2.2%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $30 will be $25.77 = 14%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $30 will be $20.8 = 30%

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $100 will be $99 = 1%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $100 will be $95 = 5%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $100 will be $90 = 10%

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $995.45 = 0.45%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $984.88 = 1.5%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $982 = 1.7%

From this data we know which is the most expensive.

Since there is no Fast option available for USDT TRON right now (looking at the website), you can only use the Chain option, which processes everything on chain. That means they probably have to pay the TRX fee many times to swap USDT from one blockchain to the other. You're comparing that to exchanges that have their own liquidity, so they just receive X and send Y right away (single tx, single fee). At least that's how I see it, maybe they can improve it later on.

[bitmover]

I was trying to make an exchange now, and I had a lot of problems with the UI.

The exchange button is just gray to me.



It took me a long time to notice that the refund address is a mandatory field and that I added a wrong type of address.

My suggestion: Do not make the refund mandatory. Just refund back to the sender if it is a blank field.

Or, enter a clear message "Mandatory refund address"

[ovcijisir]

I was trying to make an exchange now, and I had a lot of problems with the UI.

The exchange button is just gray to me.

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Same with me, I just tried to use the website but I also found that "Exchange" button is gray. At first I thought that it is just bad design, but after trying to experiment with different exchange amounts I realised that it is just not working.

Also it seems that "Fast" exchange option is not working either...

[Hamza2424]

My suggestion: Do not make the refund mandatory. Just refund back to the sender if it is a blank field.

Or, enter a clear message "Mandatory refund address"

Yep, I was about to mention it here. They have made the refund address mandatory and their fast mode is not enabled since I last checked. Is there any reason? Like they mentioned before?

I have not read all the messages, so maybe it was discussed below.

Thank you bro, You dont need to know much about the Football, our algorithm will give you best recommendation to build a team, Just build a team once that can be used in the whole tournament, You can also update the team before each match, with the transfer you get, each match you'll get ~3 transfers.

Seems like fun. Will do it, thanks.

[Chikito]

I am bookmarking my old transaction, and it still appears right now. My question is: how long is that transaction automatically deleted? Can we delete itself?

@Chikito
Glad it sorted itself out — 15 minutes after bumping the fee is solid. Electrum is actually one of the wallets where RBF works really well. For future reference — if a transaction gets stuck again on minimum fee, just do RBF on your end without contacting us, we'll process the replacement automatically.

If a transaction is stuck, and the user can't bump the fee, can DEX.fo do CPFP (Child-Pays-For-Parent)?

[dwyane36]

TRON network fees are high. It will take a nice part of your output amount if you send a small amount like $100.

1000 USDT (tron) to USDT (eth) becomes 982 USDT (around 1,7% fee). If you assume the TRON fee is $6, that's a final fee of 1,2%.

How high do you mean and which Exchange is high? USDT withdrawals from many CEXs for the TRON network are no more than $2.
And let's compare it with its competitors:

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $30 will be $29.33 = 2.2%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $30 will be $25.77 = 14%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $30 will be $20.8 = 30%

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $100 will be $99 = 1%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $100 will be $95 = 5%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $100 will be $90 = 10%

CCE Cash: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $995.45 = 0.45%
b1eXch: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $984.88 = 1.5%
Dex Fo: Withdrawal of $1000 will be $982 = 1.7%

From this data we know which is the most expensive.

Right now, the fee for transferring TRC-20 tokens, including USDT, on the Tron network is 6.4285 TRX ($2.08). So, the higher the TRX price, the higher this fee will be in dollar terms. As for CEXs, they can clearly afford to set lower and more competitive fees for users, since many of them likely have plenty of Energy and Bandwidth in their hot wallets, which allows them to effectively avoid or minimize TRX spending on TRC-20 transfers.
As for DEF, I agree that such large USDT losses when transferring from one network to another are abnormal. But as far as I understand, this only happens when using chain mode, which implies that the exchange takes place through a third party, and if I’m not mistaken, the total exchange fee can be higher due to additional routing and conversion steps.

[MarryWithBTC]

My suggestion: Do not make the refund mandatory. Just refund back to the sender if it is a blank field.

Or, enter a clear message "Mandatory refund address"

Entering a clear message or a placeholder in the refund field as "Mandatory refund address" would be a better option.

I had read where Dex or likely other privacy service explained the reason they cannot refund back to the sender address and it made sense. It is privacy related, I will try to get the post here because I was satisfied after reading it.

[joniboini]

I had read where Dex or likely other privacy service explained the reason they cannot refund back to the sender address and it made sense. It is privacy related, I will try to get the post here because I was satisfied after reading it.

Are they saying that to process refunds they must send it to different address, or that refunding tx won't be possible to protect users privacy? If it's the latter, I kinda feel like the reason seems a bit weak. I'd love to hear their full reasoning on why doing such thing isn't possible (or better be avoided).

[TryNinja]

I had read where Dex or likely other privacy service explained the reason they cannot refund back to the sender address and it made sense. It is privacy related, I will try to get the post here because I was satisfied after reading it.

Are they saying that to process refunds they must send it to different address, or that refunding tx won't be possible to protect users privacy? If it's the latter, I kinda feel like the reason seems a bit weak. I'd love to hear their full reasoning on why doing such thing isn't possible (or better be avoided).

Refunding back to the sending address is a bad practice. I'm all for them to ask for a refund address.

Many people send from exchanges, from centralized services, casinos, etc... you can't just send the money back and expect it to be credited back to the user. If you send from binance and they send back to the address, you'll have to contact binance and waste a lot of hours trying to make the support help you see the money again.

[MarryWithBTC]

I had read where Dex or likely other privacy service explained the reason they cannot refund back to the sender address and it made sense. It is privacy related, I will try to get the post here because I was satisfied after reading it.

Are they saying that to process refunds they must send it to different address, or that refunding tx won't be possible to protect users privacy? If it's the latter, I kinda feel like the reason seems a bit weak. I'd love to hear their full reasoning on why doing such thing isn't possible (or better be avoided).

It wasn't really Dex that made the statement. Luckily I found it, it was a claim by a competitor - IronySwap.

They claimed that if I deposit in their service, my address will not be visible to them, so they can't make a refund to the same address. But when I pushed more for clarity, they did by saying this;

The sender's address is visible on-chain, but our system
doesn't log or store it. The refund address is required
because our swap engine only knows the deposit address
we generate — there is no automatic way to reverse a
transaction back to the origin without a user-provided
return address.

And I seem to have understood them in that very context.

[bitmover]

I had read where Dex or likely other privacy service explained the reason they cannot refund back to the sender address and it made sense. It is privacy related, I will try to get the post here because I was satisfied after reading it.

Are they saying that to process refunds they must send it to different address, or that refunding tx won't be possible to protect users privacy? If it's the latter, I kinda feel like the reason seems a bit weak. I'd love to hear their full reasoning on why doing such thing isn't possible (or better be avoided).

Refunding back to the sending address is a bad practice. I'm all for them to ask for a refund address.

I think it is ok to ask for a refund address. But there must be clear messages about it.

The field is mandatory without clearly specifying that. There is UI/UX problem.

I almost gave up to create the exchange because I simple couldn't click "Exchange" button. Certainly they already lost a few customers because they didn't know what was missing.

It would also be a good practice to put a notice like "add a LTC refund address", specifying which is the coin they need. Very few services ask for a refund address, this is not a common practice.

[MarryWithBTC]

I think it is ok to ask for a refund address. But there must be clear messages about it.

The field is mandatory without clearly specifying that. There is UI/UX problem.

I almost gave up to create the exchange because I simple couldn't click "Exchange" button. Certainly they already lost a few customers because they didn't know what was missing.

You are correct, if there is a part of the exchange that should be uninterrupted, and functional anytime it is clicked, it should be the call to action button.
It is best not to make the refund address a compulsory thing. But if they choose to keep it compulsory, there should be clear pointer to make the user know that the field is compulsory and swap will not be successful if the field is not filled.

It would also be a good practice to put a notice like "add a LTC refund address", specifying which is the coin they need. Very few services ask for a refund address, this is not a common practice.

Normally, the refund address should be the address of the coin you are swapping from.