How can a poster with 10 merits and 47 posts give me negative trust?

[holydarkness]

You do come off very reasonable. I can’t help but appreciate that. Theymos will probably ingore whatever this is.

Nope, he'll honor one's request to be excluded from DT pool. It happened before, it will happen again in the future when and if a DT write to him and requested that. Not like what you think [unless, from my own POV] being DT is not a privilege, it's a burden. Your every movement is under microscope once you're a DT, your words, your opinion, your feedback, your trustlist, your support and opposition, your everything reflect instantly. It is restraining you from doing whatever you want, like if you're non DT.

That's why many DT1 eligible people in the past asked to be removed from the pool.

[OgNasty]

If I may make a comment here. It is not directed just in your case but in the general sense for all feedback that has been given. What are members reading the feedback supposed to conclude if there is no reference link?

If members leave trust, there really should be some substance to it. I cannot understand why the rollinsweet account did not even bother to leave a reference. If he was going to go through the process of giving you the negative tag he should have provided either greater context or at least a reference link to support his tag.

Is there a way to take trust down from rollinsweet? He signed up January 2025, has 10 merits and 47 posts. The trust recently changed from untrusted to trusted.

        
        rollinsweet   2026-03-27      This guy need some mental help, retarded at all point 

Check out the reference the guy who merited your post left me with a negative feedback rating… Tell me that isn’t the problem. Everyone seems to be using trust to try and attack other people instead of using it as an actual trust system. It has become a tool for people of no value to try and make it appear the opposite.

[Kazkaz27]

You do come off very reasonable. I can’t help but appreciate that. Theymos will probably ingore whatever this is.

Nope, he'll honor one's request to be excluded from DT pool. It happened before, it will happen again in the future when and if a DT write to him and requested that. Not like what you think [unless, from my own POV] being DT is not a privilege, it's a burden. Your every movement is under microscope once you're a DT, your words, your opinion, your feedback, your trustlist, your support and opposition, your everything reflect instantly. It is restraining you from doing whatever you want, like if you're non DT.

That's why many DT1 eligible people in the past asked to be removed from the pool.

Welp, if that happens, that would work. Same effect—your trust rating is diminished.

You still could do one better. Change the negative rating you gave Rating Place into a neutral rating and remove the user with only 10 merits and 47 posts you’ve likely never interacted with or did any dealings with from your trust list.

[Rating Place]

Holy, you make things too complicated. Instead of doing what’s right you look for loopholes to be dishonest. That’s why players aren’t paid.

To others, asking an administrator is the only recourse?

[Kazkaz27]

Holy, you make things too complicated. Instead of doing what’s right you look for loopholes to be dishonest. That’s why players aren’t paid.

To others, asking an administrator is the only recourse?

Honestly, Holy could fix it all right now himself.

[holydarkness]

Nope, he'll honor one's request to be excluded from DT pool. It happened before, it will happen again in the future when and if a DT write to him and requested that. Not like what you think [unless, from my own POV] being DT is not a privilege, it's a burden. Your every movement is under microscope once you're a DT, your words, your opinion, your feedback, your trustlist, your support and opposition, your everything reflect instantly. It is restraining you from doing whatever you want, like if you're non DT.

That's why many DT1 eligible people in the past asked to be removed from the pool.

Welp, if that happens, that would work. Same effect—your trust rating is diminished.

You still could do one better. Change the negative rating you gave Rating Place into a neutral rating and remove the user with only 10 merits and 47 posts you’ve likely never interacted with or did any dealings with from your trust list.

Could you give me a better opinion why I should change the negative to neutral and remove my trustlist?

The explanation about why it was negative instead of neutral was explained extensively on Rating Place's thread about me on #75. His tendency to peer-pressuring [by his statement and pride of the action] sportsbook to pay, though he's severely lacking knowledge of the dynamic of sportsbook and provider, provide a treat of financial loss to any sportsbook [or player] who interact with him.

And is there a good explanation why rollinsweet should be removed from my trial-basis trust list? Loyce's guide... well, guide us, to put people whose judgement on others I trust. He wrote [with reference or not] that he's in mental issue. Could you describe me better a word [non-medical-diagnosis, a free interpretation] of someone who insist on a thing over and over to be the truth, although many has pointed that he's wrong, with reference, a thing that it is not too far fetched to think that he too already know he understood wrongly, because otherwise he'll accept the challenge from months ago. Is the feedback given to him inaccurate?

While we're at it, why don't we scrutinize Rating Place's non-reference very far fetched negative feedback against me? Not that I mind them, though.

P.s.: oh, if my goal is just to add more orange score to Rating Place's profile, I'll just add CicadasTR on my TL too, given he gave RP neg too, and that'll give another number. Why I didn't do that? Because I don't have any intention to "just add more score" to RP's neg. I saw that rollinsweet made an accurate description, I read and follow his post, put him on my TL on trial basis and continue review his post activities for the next couple of weeks.

[Kazkaz27]

Nope, he'll honor one's request to be excluded from DT pool. It happened before, it will happen again in the future when and if a DT write to him and requested that. Not like what you think [unless, from my own POV] being DT is not a privilege, it's a burden. Your every movement is under microscope once you're a DT, your words, your opinion, your feedback, your trustlist, your support and opposition, your everything reflect instantly. It is restraining you from doing whatever you want, like if you're non DT.

That's why many DT1 eligible people in the past asked to be removed from the pool.

Welp, if that happens, that would work. Same effect—your trust rating is diminished.

You still could do one better. Change the negative rating you gave Rating Place into a neutral rating and remove the user with only 10 merits and 47 posts you’ve likely never interacted with or did any dealings with from your trust list.

Could you give me a better opinion why I should change the negative to neutral and remove my trustlist?

The explanation about why it was negative instead of neutral was explained extensively on Rating Place's thread about me on #75. His tendency to peer-pressuring [by his statement and pride of the action] sportsbook to pay, though he's severely lacking knowledge of the dynamic of sportsbook and provider, provide a treat of financial loss to any sportsbook [or player] who interact with him.

And is there a good explanation why rollinsweet should be removed from my trial-basis trust list? Loyce's guide... well, guide us, to put people whose judgement on others I trust. He wrote [with reference or not] that he's in mental issue. Could you describe me better a word [non-medical-diagnosis, a free interpretation] of someone who insist on a thing over and over to be the truth, although many has pointed that he's wrong, with reference, a thing that it is not too far fetched to think that he too already know he understood wrongly, because otherwise he'll accept the challenge from months ago. Is the feedback given to him inaccurate?

While we're at it, why don't we scrutinize Rating Place's non-reference very far fetched negative feedback against me? Not that I mind them, though.

Rating Place didn’t harm/scam anyone. Your rating of him is simply your perspective. Until he is a proven threat to the community your view of him should remain neutral.

He should also change his to neutral. Despite the whole fiasco.

In addition there is this:
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNQ_59a66e72-1b80-4da1-9c1a-e5d1b501e058

[Rating Place]

If I may make a comment here. It is not directed just in your case but in the general sense for all feedback that has been given. What are members reading the feedback supposed to conclude if there is no reference link?

If members leave trust, there really should be some substance to it. I cannot understand why the rollinsweet account did not even bother to leave a reference. If he was going to go through the process of giving you the negative tag he should have provided either greater context or at least a reference link to support his tag.

Is there a way to take trust down from rollinsweet? He signed up January 2025, has 10 merits and 47 posts. The trust recently changed from untrusted to trusted.

       
       rollinsweet   2026-03-27      This guy need some mental help, retarded at all point  

Check out the reference the guy who merited your post left me with a negative feedback rating… Tell me that isn’t the problem. Everyone seems to be using trust to try and attack other people instead of using it as an actual trust system. It has become a tool for people of no value to try and make it appear the opposite.

edit- read wrong post

[holydarkness]

That's insane. With power comes responsibility. Those abusing that power should have it taken away.

Like the power you have and accumulated for the past 10 years and mediating cases far more than me [your own statement] where it turned out, you abuse sportsbook with your false understanding of how provider-sportsbook dynamic work, and instead pressuring sportsbook to pay?

[Kazkaz27]

That's insane. With power comes responsibility. Those abusing that power should have it taken away.

I’ve been advocating this for some time. Higher Standards

That's insane. With power comes responsibility. Those abusing that power should have it taken away.

Like the power you have and accumulated for the past 10 years and mediating cases far more than me [your own statement] where it turned out, you abuse sportsbook with your false understanding of how provider-sportsbook dynamic work, and instead pressuring sportsbook to pay?

Here is my suggestion. Both of you go your own ways or continue down the path and destroy eachother.

Change your trusts given to each other to neutral, eliminate members you never associated with off your trust lists and then press the ignore button👍

I know this is a 5 year olds argument but it sure seems like you started this Holy.

[Rating Place]

That's insane. With power comes responsibility. Those abusing that power should have it taken away.

Like the power you have and accumulated for the past 10 years and mediating cases far more than me [your own statement] where it turned out, you abuse sportsbook with your false understanding of how provider-sportsbook dynamic work, and instead pressuring sportsbook to pay?

Here is my suggestion. Both of you go your own ways or continue down the path and destroy eachother.

Change your trusts given to each other to neutral, eliminate members you never associated with off your trust lists and then press the ignore button👍

I'm just trying to figure out how a guy with 10 merits can give me negative trust and holy is all over the place.

[Kazkaz27]

I can’t help but relate more and more with OgNasty. I sense we relate on deeply divided subjects and issues regarding the forum. Although, I tend to stick my nose in things I probably shouldn’t. Cans of worms lay waste.

[Rating Place]

I can’t help but relate more and more with OgNasty. I sense we relate on deeply divided subjects and issues regarding the forum.

OgNasty is spot on some of these subjects.

edit- I'll be back in scam accusations the next time someone's winnings get stolen. Holy says the odds provider makes the call. This means the case is over. holy continues to negotiate over the stolen money with the book. Why?

[OgNasty]

I can’t help but relate more and more with OgNasty. I sense we relate on deeply divided subjects and issues regarding the forum.

OgNasty is spot on some of these subjects.

I’ve been around a long time and have had every dirty trick possible thrown at me on this website. I’ve watched the troublemakers come in, form alliances, and concentrate solely on the trust system instead of doing anything for Bitcoin. It has gotten worse every year since Bitcoin’s massive run in 2017 and I see nothing to indicate change is happening. Leadership on this site is absent and unaccountable.

[KWH]

I can’t help but relate more and more with OgNasty. I sense we relate on deeply divided subjects and issues regarding the forum.

OgNasty is spot on some of these subjects.

I’ve been around a long time and have had every dirty trick possible thrown at me on this website. I’ve watched the troublemakers come in, form alliances, and concentrate solely on the trust system instead of doing anything for Bitcoin. It has gotten worse every year since Bitcoin’s massive run in 2017 and I see nothing to indicate change is happening. Leadership on this site is absent and unaccountable.

OG, you love making things about you. You also like to throw things out there, retract, rewrite your posts to mess with people. You are the essence of dirty tricks. You also PM people blatant lies and nasty stuff just to get a reaction. Your dig at a Trust rating left for you was based in truth and you know it but can't accept it.
I also have been around a long time and have seen many instances of your BS. Your attempts at rewriting history. Your arrogance is astounding but quite entertaining. Now that you have the sympathy of your shoe polish eaters, you shine.
Og, you need to get a life or laid. You need help. When people (ogNASTY) shows and tells you who he is, believe him.
As I have told you before: You lie. It's a shame some fail to recognize how shallow you really are.

[holydarkness]

I can’t help but relate more and more with OgNasty. I sense we relate on deeply divided subjects and issues regarding the forum.

OgNasty is spot on some of these subjects.

edit- I'll be back in scam accusations the next time someone's winnings get stolen. Holy says the odds provider makes the call. This means the case is over. holy continues to negotiate over the stolen money with the book. Why?

This might be my last post here, unless my presence is needed to defend against misleading narrative.

Rating Place, help us all understand this:

If you're so sure that odds-provider [like Betby] doesn't make the call, that sportsbook [like BetPanda] can't overrule it, if you're so sure providers doesn't have their own risk management department that signal and flag to sportsbook, that sportsbook has to obey, where my reach to my contacts is to see if I can verify their accusation to the player and/or at least get the player something, and that if you're so sure paying in full to the player despite provider's flag would mean sportsbook has to take it "from their pocket", simplified, if you're so sure that my understanding is wrong and you're right all the time, why are you so afraid to take the bet that you've ageed anyway?

You're right. Your understanding is 100% flawless. Even if you don't have the fund [despite the 10 years of mediation work and all], you can probably ask your friend [I assume you're close with fairlay, since you're so aggresive to me after I judge fairlay fairly] to lend you the fund for days, if not minutes. You'll get the fund back instantly, given the forum and overseers will prove me wrong, that it is beyond reasonable doubt that I got misled.

I'll back down from the forum DT, ask several DT to tag my profile, I'll ask theymos to remove me from DT, I lose power of DT that made my tag on you shown to public, and rollinsweet's tag will also disappear as I am no longer DT and he directly lose his DT support upon my downfall.

So, what scares you? You have nothing to lose. In your reality, you're factually right and I'm wrong. You've casually entered written agreement with me anyway, the time is ticking to when I finally tired of waiting for you to escrow the fund and think you backed down from it, and raise type-2 flag against you.

That's my closing statement. Anyone with enough brain will be able to clearly see who Rating Place is, and why the tag and distrust.

[Rating Place]

I can’t help but relate more and more with OgNasty. I sense we relate on deeply divided subjects and issues regarding the forum.

OgNasty is spot on some of these subjects.

edit- I'll be back in scam accusations the next time someone's winnings get stolen. Holy says the odds provider makes the call. This means the case is over. holy continues to negotiate over the stolen money with the book. Why?

This might be my last post here, unless my presence is needed to defend against misleading narrative.

Rating Place, help us all understand this:

If you're so sure that odds-provider [like Betby] doesn't make the call, that sportsbook [like BetPanda] can't overrule it, if you're so sure providers doesn't have their own risk management department that signal and flag to sportsbook, that sportsbook has to obey, where my reach to my contacts is to see if I can verify their accusation to the player and/or at least get the player something, and that if you're so sure paying in full to the player despite provider's flag would mean sportsbook has to take it "from their pocket", simplified, if you're so sure that my understanding is wrong and you're right all the time, why are you so afraid to take the bet that you've ageed anyway?

You're right. Your understanding is 100% flawless. Even if you don't have the fund [despite the 10 years of mediation work and all], you can probably ask your friend [I assume you're close with fairlay, since you're so aggresive to me after I judge fairlay fairly] to lend you the fund for days, if not minutes. You'll get the fund back instantly, given the forum and overseers will prove me wrong, that it is beyond reasonable doubt that I got misled.

I'll back down from the forum DT, ask several DT to tag my profile, I'll ask theymos to remove me from DT, I lose power of DT that made my tag on you shown to public, and rollinsweet's tag will also disappear as I am no longer DT and he directly lose his DT support upon my downfall.

So, what scares you? You have nothing to lose. In your reality, you're factually right and I'm wrong. You've casually entered written agreement with me anyway, the time is ticking to when I finally tired of waiting for you to escrow the fund and think you backed down from it, and raise type-2 flag against you.

That's my closing statement. Anyone with enough brain will be able to clearly see who Rating Place is, and why the tag and distrust.

 I fight for players. No one has any reason to distrust me. You fight for sportsbooks and use every loophole to lie, cheat and steal. If you can't find a loophole, you make one up. What you said above is mostly just another big lie.

I've told you 100 times that odds providers can do everything. Betby, Kambi , others. They use AI to profile and mitigate risk. That's what Betby and others are hired to do. At bad sportsbooks they assume flags (warning) as guilt and steal. You agree with that. Good sportsbooks pay and limit. The final decision is with the sportsbook. The rules and ToS are different at each book. Jackpotter overruled Betby a week or two ago. 95% of Betby books pay and limit. You deal with the 5% that don't pay.

You tell us things such as a book has an expired license when they never had a license. You're not a honest person.

[holydarkness]

I fight for players. No one has any reason to distrust me. You fight for sportsbooks and use every loophole to lie, cheat and steal. If you can't find a loophole, you make one up. What you said above is mostly just another big lie.

I've told you 100 times that odds providers can do everything. Betby, Kambi , others. They use AI to profile and mitigate risk. That's what Betby and others are hired to do. At bad sportsbooks they assume flags (warning) as guilt and steal. You agree with that. Good sportsbooks pay and limit. The final decision is with the sportsbook. The rules and ToS are different at each book. Jackpotter overruled Betby a week or two ago. 95% of Betby books pay and limit. You deal with the 5% that don't pay.

You tell us things such as a book has an expired license when they never had a license. You're not a honest person.

Sorry guys, can't hold it, as this might be the final nail.

Rating Place, as you're so sure about it, that I fight for sportsbook and use every loophole to lie, thus imply the above defense that at certain scenario, sportsbook has to obey provider's ruling and flag or they have to absorb the consequences, is part of my lie, bad or good sportsbook, kindly just escrow the fund, you can even do installment. I can arrange the escrow to take 500,000 USD downpayment for our agreement, and I'll introduce you to the whole new world of sportsbook and providers that will turn your narrow perspective obsolete.

Say "Yes", to seal our casual contract into written contract, or just explain why you're so afraid to accept the challenge to prove your knowledge, despite your insistence and self-proclaimed experience, so we can put it to rest, bury it, and release the forum overseers from having to witness your crumbling cowardice.

[Vod]

Og, you need to get a life or laid. You need help.

I think you may have something here.   Drinking alone will not satisfy urges that reduce stress.  He chased away the woman who moved from California with him and helped buy his house.   He was fucking up people's lives long before bitcoin.  

Everyone seems to be using trust to try and attack other people instead of using it as an actual trust system. It has become a tool for people of no value to try and make it appear the opposite.

You included, but your slimy feedback cuts off quotes mid sentence. 

[Rating Place]

Holy, you just bumped a guy with 10 merits to DT so negative trust would show. You took money from scam book BetPanda knowing they were scamming and protected BetPanda.

You said I took the bait on the last bet you proposed by sneakily changing the terms. Anyone that trusts you with any type of bet or financial dealings is insane.