Does bitcoin reward investors based on amount purchased or based on patience?

[Franctoshi]

There are a couple of things that are involved. Yes, one is basically based on patience because history has shown that those who have held Bitcoin for a long period of time have profited because Bitcoin grows over time, and it requires patience to do so.  Secondly, the amount of money you invested: you can't compare the amount of profit of someone who invested $1000 to that of a person who invested $10,000; their profit margin will never be the same.

Lastly, your entry point and exiting points also matter. Someone who bought Bitcoin when it was worth $1 and held on until now can never have the same profit as someone who bought around $5,000-$10,000 if they didn't sell.

[Webetcoins]

There are a couple of things that are involved. Yes, one is basically based on patience because history has shown that those who have held Bitcoin for a long period of time have profited because Bitcoin grows over time, and it requires patience to do so.  Secondly, the amount of money you invested: you can't compare the amount of profit of someone who invested $1000 to that of a person who invested $10,000; their profit margin will never be the same.

Lastly, your entry point and exiting points also matter. Someone who bought Bitcoin when it was worth $1 and held on until now can never have the same profit as someone who bought around $5,000-$10,000 if they didn't sell.

This whole "patience" thing needs to be careful after a while though. I mean yes back in the day price of bitcoin was very low and if you held it then you could have made x100 even x1000 if you held long enough. But same can't be said right now. Even if you do hold it for 10 or 20 years, you will not get that much.

By comparison right now we are at 70k+ and that means if we reach like x100 then it would have to be 7 million dollars, and if we are talking about x1000? Forget about it, that's 70 million per bitcoin.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Bitcoin does not majorly reward short term investors, and those who made it big today in the bitcoin market was as a result of patience. There are those who even bought fractions of bitcoin, but long term holding has yielded a significant result and profit.

You are basically right but I still think impatient is standing alone in this argument, let's assume that both investors are patient, and I mean very patient and held their bitcoin for a very long time, where one bought just 1 bitcoin and the other bought 1000 bitcoin at the same price the other investors with 1 bitcoin bought his, do you still think that their reward or profit will be the same?

The fact is, bitcoin still does have a way it rewards those who invest plenty or huge in the asset and are at the same time patient enough to wait and a very good price to sell, so the amount of bitcoin one owns really does contribute greatly to their end profit amount.
Just as it is with trading where your lot size determine your profit amount if and when the market is moving in your favor, you don't make same gain amount with some one with a higher or lower lot size.

[Rgram]

I think both are interesting with respect to what we stand to gain from bitcoin investments, the amount invested as well as the time or duration it takes for the maturity, this is why many will tell you that they will have to hold their assets until the bull run before they can release for selling it, as they know that by then they would have been in profit already.

It’s rather a very simple maths, it’s a ratio of what you’ve got against value at a time.

There is no way you would own Bitcoin and still share the same value with someone that has got just about 1mBTC. The difference would be clear and huge in time. You might be able to be patient for a year or more and choose to cash in at some point but, someone that has 1BTC and did cash in a yeah earlier when the price was right would certainly have move profits than you would.

I think quantity would surpass patience within a cycle.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

This is pertaining the price pump of Bitcoin which normally happen durring bull season and we know that bull market normally happens after some years, it takes a patient person to hold until then and also when you invest a handful, you will get rewarded in handful. Your patience and total invested capital is worth it.

[Botnake]

It's actually both. Bitcoin rewards investors who are long-term believers (HODLers) and early adopters. Having said that, the amount of your purchased and the limitless patience will lead to a maximum amount of rewards. That is why if you can stretch more of your patience and acquire sustainable amount of bitcoin, the more successful and profitable future awaits for you.

However, being patient alone is insufficient. A lot of patient investors do not meet their bitcoin expectations. But if you dare to take risk and invest on a huge amount, and remain patient throughout the investment process, surely it will lead into a life-changing result.

[X-ray]

However, being patient alone is insufficient. A lot of patient investors do not meet their bitcoin expectations. But if you dare to take risk and invest on a huge amount, and remain patient throughout the investment process, surely it will lead into a life-changing result.

You can simply wait it out and bitcoin will grow, patient works. Bitcoin's ATH growth has been exponential and that makes anyone who hold before ATH is reached profitable.

I haven't seen anyone losing with bitcoin if they hold it long enough, the people who loses big time are those daily traders otherwise how can you lose if the growth has been exponential.

Bitcoin's game is simple, you hold and your capital will grow overtime and it's not just empty words, all of these backed by data e.g historical chart and on-chain analysis of long term holders' net worth.

[Alpen]

I have decided to bring this very topic here, because I overheard two people arguing about bitcoin reward system, one was saying the amount of bitcoin in your portfolio determines your profit, and the other person was emphasizing on patience as a reward factor. So I would love us here to make our various contributions, and make a glaring classification based on this. However, in my own opinion, i feel patience is the main thing that can give bitcoin investors their desired result.

If you lack patience, even though you bought huge amount of bitcoin, impatience can make you sell before the right time, and even be at loss. There are many people who invested in bitcoin, and lost their money, this doesn't mean they did not buy huge, but they were unable to persevere the bitcoin market turbulence, and decline in the bitcoin price.

Bitcoin does not majorly reward short term investors, and those who made it big today in the bitcoin market was as a result of patience. There are those who even bought fractions of bitcoin, but long term holding has yielded a significant result and profit.

Whenever people preach about "patience" in long-term holding, I immediately think of the Japanese stock market. Everyone remembers how technologically dominant Japan looked in the late 90s, right?

Back then, countless analysts urged investors to pile into the Nikkei and hold their positions until Japan’s economy eventually overtook the US. But then the bubble burst, and it took over 30 years for the market to return to those highs.

While those "patient" investors were waiting decades just to break even, the Chinese market—which no one was even taking seriously at the time—shot to the moon. Patience is a virtue, but only if you aren't holding a bag while the world moves on.

[MusaPk]

If you are investing big amount and you don't know what strategy to follow then you won't be able to get benefit from Bitcoin. Big amount alone can't guarantee you success unless you have key things with you like patience. You have to invest and wait patiently through ups and downs of Bitcoin unless you see the profit you want. Bitcoin price is volatile, and it's not guaranteed that  price will only go up after you invest in Bitcoin and your patience level is teseted when price goes down.

[Outhue]

Bitcoin itself is not rewarding anyone unless you are a bitcoin miner, don't compare rewarding as the profits you earn when holding Bitcoin, that's an investment risk you chose, and yes you will need a lot of patience to make money from your investment, the higher the quantity you hold the better your returns.

It's not a must to hold handful numbers of bitcoin if you can't afford it, every small prices of satoshis that you are accumulating is going to pay off eventually, just keep doing it and make sure you are using money that you can afford to lose, a long term bitcoin investor will always have good return if they wait enough.

[bricky2ndlife]

Bitcoin itself is not rewarding anyone unless you are a bitcoin miner, don't compare rewarding as the profits you earn when holding Bitcoin, that's an investment risk you chose, and yes you will need a lot of patience to make money from your investment, the higher the quantity you hold the better your returns.

It's not a must to hold handful numbers of bitcoin if you can't afford it, every small prices of satoshis that you are accumulating is going to pay off eventually, just keep doing it and make sure you are using money that you can afford to lose, a long term bitcoin investor will always have good return if they wait enough.

Bitcoin has block subsidy with two parts: block reward, and transaction fees. Bitcoin miners get both by mining Bitcoin blocks for gaining block rewards and confirming Bitcoin transactions for getting transaction fees.

But Bitcoin miners don't always get profit from mining and sometimes weak Bitcoin miners with bad finance have to leave this mining competition with other more competitive miners by doing their mining capitulations.

[Stalker22]

Whenever people preach about "patience" in long-term holding, I immediately think of the Japanese stock market.
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Are you expecting the Bitcoin bubble to eventually burst out somewhere along the line?  The problem here is that when you compare a nationalized, centralized stock market such as the Nikkei with Bitcoin, it becomes a totally invalid comparison altogether.  But then again, those who try to play the timing game usually lose anyway in the long run.  It is the gutsy ones who end up on top after all is said and done.

[Powerjumboo]

In Bitcoin investment, both patience and the amount of Bitcoin purchase are important because when a person buys a large amount of Bitcoin, he will make a lot of profit if Bitcoin increases a little. On the other hand, no matter how much Bitcoin a person has, if he does not have the patience to invest, he will never be able to make a profit because if he loses patience and sells it when the market drops a little, he will lose. That is why I say that a person needs both the amount of purchase and patience to invest because the importance of these two investments is immense.

[Hamza2424]

Bitcoin does not majorly reward short term investors, and those who made it big today in the bitcoin market was as a result of patience. There are those who even bought fractions of bitcoin, but long term holding has yielded a significant result and profit.

Both people are right, but they are answering different questions without realizing it. Portfolio size determines our absolute dollar outcome, while patience determines whether you actually realize that outcome or not. These two are not competing with each other, instead, if we use them together, we can multiply our profit.For example, maximum patience with minimum capital gives you a great percentage return on a small amount, which means your total profit will be small.

On the other hand, maximum patience with a larger stack gives you a large position, but the potential loss will also be higher, so do not panic during such times. I would choose patience as my ally here because a person who bought $0.1$ BTC in 2017 and never touched it is wealthier today than the person who bought $2$ BTC in 2021 and panic-sold at $16,000$. Capital matters, but patience is the real factor that converts our investment into wealth.

[Wiwo]

Time and amount of bitcoin purchased plays a very vital role in how much you earn in profit as far as bitcoin is concern,  you can't compare someone that put into bitcoin millions of dollars to investors with few hundred or thousand, you amount of interest in in proportion to how much you invested into the market.

Waiting time becomes more important because you current interest can be treated as capital in the next few months to year's, depending on which direction the market take that time.

[Vaskiy]

Not only bitcoin, but everything has its own bullish and bearish market. With Bitcoin, the volatility used to be high compared with most of the other investment opportunities. To get rewarded, we need to work on our holdings. It can be investing, trading, hodling, adding to businesses, and many more other choices available. To have a better profit, long-term holding is the wise choice, whereas the same needs to be of good volume. With the current price of bitcoin, small fractions don't make a big difference even if they've been kept on hold for a much longer time period.

Once Bitcoin served as layman's money, as a common man could buy it as a whole. Now such a possibility is low. In the present situation, if the volume is low, then taking risks through short-term trading and other possible ways to increase the volume of holdings seems to be good. At some point we'll understand, and then a long hold will generate a bigger profit. Patience and capital are required based on our level of profit expectation.

[free-bit.co.in]

However, being patient alone is insufficient. A lot of patient investors do not meet their bitcoin expectations. But if you dare to take risk and invest on a huge amount, and remain patient throughout the investment process, surely it will lead into a life-changing result.

You can simply wait it out and bitcoin will grow, patient works. Bitcoin's ATH growth has been exponential and that makes anyone who hold before ATH is reached profitable.

I haven't seen anyone losing with bitcoin if they hold it long enough, the people who loses big time are those daily traders otherwise how can you lose if the growth has been exponential.

Bitcoin's game is simple, you hold and your capital will grow overtime and it's not just empty words, all of these backed by data e.g historical chart and on-chain analysis of long term holders' net worth.

I agree that if we are patient and hold Bitcoin for the long term, we will almost certainly make a profit. However, thing have changed. Bitcoin's exponential growth rate has slowed as the market size has grown larger. It no longer grow x10 or x50 in each cycle, or x100 over the next 10 year as it did before. Therefore, the amount of Bitcoin we hold is also a crucial factor in determining future profit.

You can not expect to make million of dollars just by holding 0.1 BTC these days.

[Popkon6]

I have decided to bring this very topic here, because I overheard two people arguing about bitcoin reward system, one was saying the
Bitcoin does not majorly reward short term investors, and those who made it big today in the bitcoin market was as a result of patience. There are those who even bought fractions of bitcoin, but long term holding has yielded a significant result and profit.

It is certainly easy to be profitable if you invest in Bitcoin for the long term, if you do research on the price of Bitcoin from the past season, you will definitely see its improvement. Therefore, investing in Bitcoin for the long term is the most profitable and the risk is much lower, creating an opportunity for the investor to invest more. Those who invest in Bitcoin for the short term basically increase the possibility of losing their money, and their investment is always at risk of loss.
Therefore, long-term Bitcoin holding is definitely a much better plan to reduce risk for the future. You can find proof of how profitable Bitcoin investment is and how much lower the long-term risk is by entering this link.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132720.msg50638840#msg50638840

[aoluain]

I think some people have it incorrect. Ever hear the saying "the rising tide floats all boats"?

If the market rises 25% or even 75% then everyone gets an increase in the value of their Bitcoin wallet
regardless of whether they have BTC0.1 or BTC10.

but obviously 25% of BTC10 is going to be greater than 25% of BTC0.1 - forget about the $ value it
has to be about % - thats obvious.

This is all relative to everyones circumstances if you are only ever able to have BTC0.1 then at 25%
increase in value should be very welcome.

Everyone knows that you have to have a medium to long yerm outlook if you are looking for profit,
it will come but not in a matter of weeks or months but years.

[As-Soon-As]

So I would love us here to make our various contributions, and make a glaring classification based on this. However, in my own opinion, i feel patience is the main thing that can give bitcoin investors their desired result.

Those who hold Bitcoin investments for the long term and are able to sustain them patiently will have a higher chance of making a profit. The longer the Bitcoin investment in the current position, the more benefits it will generate. Short-term investments never bring additional profits, but always put the investor at risk.

If you lack patience, even though you bought huge amount of bitcoin, impatience can make you sell before the right time, and even be at loss. There are many people who invested in bitcoin, and lost their money, this doesn't mean they did not buy huge, but they were unable to persevere the bitcoin market turbulence, and decline in the bitcoin price.

Bitcoin investment is the only way to keep people patient for a long time. Those who are greedy inside them basically give up their Bitcoin holdings after seeing the greed of a small amount of money. Even though those investors face a small loss, they are widely criticized for their Bitcoin investment and do not hesitate to give up their Bitcoin holdings. Therefore, only those who patiently use small amounts of money and buy Bitcoin for a long time and hold it are the only ones who will achieve success.

Bitcoin does not majorly reward short term investors, and those who made it big today in the bitcoin market was as a result of patience. There are those who even bought fractions of bitcoin, but long term holding has yielded a significant result and profit.

Considering all such situations, I certainly respect the DCA method the most, and investing in Bitcoin according to the DCA method greatly increases the chances of making a profit, because there is more time to invest. Using this DCA method, a low-income person is able to invest in Bitcoin and hold it for a long time. Therefore, investing in Bitcoin is best done in the long term.