Bitcointalk Defensive Alliance and 1miau. Convenient timing or coincidence?

[MaxMueller]

Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know already? If it would be me, I'd make sure I post enough so everyone can have enough "material" to really compare posts.

Yes it does -> In case of doubt, in favor of the defendant.
What you expect is proof that can't be provided promptly. In addition it's not objective an anyone can interpret “enough” however they like and expand it to infinity. The approach seems wrong to me.

To be clear, i am only speaking out against negative trust, as it no longer seems justified after an old address has been verified.

[PrivacyG]

Someone with no experience on this forum will never realize there is this way. I have no idea how busy 1miau was but certainly when I look into my private message history, I even struggle to find a message that I received or exchanged a few weeks ago. My inbox has 257 pages of message and outbox has 199 pages of message. If I am not wrong then each page contains 20 messages.

Correct.  What I said definitely only applies for an experienced Bitcoin Talk member.  Which I implicitly consider would be the case as the 'Alliance' is not some thing a Newbie would be able to come up with either.

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Yes it does -> In case of doubt, in favor of the defendant.

To be clear, i am only speaking out against negative trust, as it no longer seems justified after an old address has been verified.

The negative tags have been removed as soon as that signed message appeared.  He has no more negative tags left, only neutrals.

Anyway.  I am assuming everyone who left the negative or neutral tags did not leave them to indict 1miau or to expel him from the Forum but to prevent Newbies and others who may have missed his 'death announcement' from getting scammed by trusting a possibly false identity.  This is not a 'will we press charges on him' situation but rather a 'could someone else suffer if this is not the real 1miau' situation.

If he proves to still be 1miau in time then I doubt the neutral tags will stay either.  I do not find this as an attack or even a toxic welcoming, in fact I do not really understand why he thinks of it that way.  The skepticism is an expected way to be welcomed here after pretending you DIED and came back to life.  I have no personal issues with the real 1miau, in fact I never had any negative opinion on him and always appreciated his Bitcoin Talk work.

[Lucius]

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If he proves to still be 1miau in time then I doubt the neutral tags will stay either.  I do not find this as an attack or even a toxic welcoming, in fact I do not really understand why he thinks of it that way.  The skepticism is an expected way to be welcomed here after pretending you DIED and came back to life.  I have no personal issues with the real 1miau, in fact I never had any negative opinion on him and always appreciated his Bitcoin Talk work.

The problem is that suspicion will always remain, regardless of the signed message, some members will always wonder if the account has changed hands since it "returned from the dead". The only thing that would provide additional confirmation that it is indeed the same person are the IP logs, which only the admin has access to, of course assuming that VPN/Tor was not used.

I have nothing against @1miau returning to the forum, but the way he returned is not the way 99% of members in a similar situation would return.

[JollyGood]

This is how many members probably feel about the situation. With the exception of maybe a handful of members with what could be legitimate reasons according them, the majority that interacted with him in the Global and German boards probably have nothing against him too.

My concern is that if the 1miau account has changed hands, it created the Bitcointalk Defensive Alliance for the specific purpose of deflecting criticism or questions that were inevitably going to be directed towards the new operator. This is one of the primary reasons the account cannot be trusted.

The problem is that suspicion will always remain, regardless of the signed message, some members will always wonder if the account has changed hands since it "returned from the dead". The only thing that would provide additional confirmation that it is indeed the same person are the IP logs, which only the admin has access to, of course assuming that VPN/Tor was not used.

I have nothing against @1miau returning to the forum, but the way he returned is not the way 99% of members in a similar situation would return.

[PrivacyG]

The problem is that suspicion will always remain, regardless of the signed message,

And that is fine.  Their skepticism is justified in my opinion.  Now 1miau needs to accept that it will take some time for things to come back to mostly normal.  If he proves to be the legitimate owner and a few members will still not accept it as evidence, it is what it is.

I have nothing against @1miau returning to the forum, but the way he returned is not the way 99% of members in a similar situation would return.

I agree.

[JollyGood]

After making a comeback to the forum with that announcement about the Bitcointalk Defensive Alliance, the 1miau account seems to have gone very quiet (as the post history shows). There were also several attempts at signing a message from a known address and that in itself was strange too.

It might be the case that the neutral tags will not be removed and furthermore, if doubt remains about whether the account changed hands then maybe some members might leave negative tags.

And that is fine.  Their skepticism is justified in my opinion.  Now 1miau needs to accept that it will take some time for things to come back to mostly normal.  If he proves to be the legitimate owner and a few members will still not accept it as evidence, it is what it is.

[MaxMueller]

Last edit yesterday: Goodbye Bitcointalk

Seems that the warm "welcome back" made him leave the forum again. It's ironically that he was pushed into a situation where he has to stay away from the forum to make the final proof, that he is the original 1miau.

Congrats.  

[nutildah]

Seems that the warm "welcome back" made him leave the forum again. It's ironically that he was pushed into a situation where he has to stay away from the forum to make the final proof, that he is the original 1miau.

Uh... he did this entirely by himself, with no prompting whatsoever. Here is the order of events:

1. Declares themselves "dead".
2. Comes back, "Hey I wasn't really dead".
3. Makes this absurd alliance proposal including 2 members unbeknownst to them.
4. Makes writing errors uncharacteristic of their previous body of posts.
5. Messes up their first signature attempt with a rookie mistake.
6. Successfully posts signature.
7. German local and other posters begin to note persistent writing errors.
8. Re-declares themselves dead.

Honestly looks to me like somebody concocted a stupid plan and it didn't work.

[JeromeTash]

Last edit yesterday: Goodbye Bitcointalk

Seems that the warm "welcome back" made him leave the forum again. It's ironically that he was pushed into a situation where he has to stay away from the forum to make the final proof, that he is the original 1miau.

Congrats.  

I guess the account should as well be locked by the mods or admin just like others that announced the forum exit some years back, such as Lauda. That way we are very sure that account will not change hands in the future and someone tries to come back and claim to be 1miau. It also helps preserve one's legacy.

[Free Market Capitalist]

It's ironically that he was pushed into a situation where he has to stay away from the forum to make the final proof, that he is the original 1miau.

That doesn't prove anything and he wasn't pushed. In any case he (whoever the person controlling that account is) pushed himself.

Honestly looks to me like somebody concocted a stupid plan and it didn't work.

That's basically it.

[JollyGood]

Maybe that is the way going forward. If a member declares they are never going to return and are effectively dead, they themselves should inform admin and ask for the account to be permanently locked. That is the only way to guarantee the account will not change hands and will close the door for the account operator to return and start using the account too.

If the member does not ask admin to lock the account then I suppose there is going to be a problem if/when the account comes back (after unilaterally deciding to permanently leave).

I guess the account should as well be locked by the mods or admin just like others that announced the forum exit some years back, such as Lauda. That way we are very sure that account will not change hands in the future and someone tries to come back and claim to be 1miau. It also helps preserve one's legacy.

[MaxMueller]

That doesn't prove anything ...

I guess that proves everything...
1miau is a merit source with several hundreds of smerit every month. Do you really believe a buyer (even with a stupid plan) would let the merits unused?!

If a member declares they are never going to return and are effectively dead, they themselves should inform admin and ask for the account to be permanently locked.

Isn't that the current situation? One could argue that not asking for beeing permanently locked implies not being 100% sure to never return?
I guess locking without request would require the possibility to unlock after verification (signing message), which would not have changed the result in the present case. 

[JollyGood]

It might not have changed the result (of the account being unlocked) however it would definitely raise suspicions upon the return. And in this case, suspicions have been raised,

The moral of the story is that you should not declare your account dead citing the need to protect the person behind the 1miau account and then return several months later posting in a manner that makes others conclude the account has changed hands.

Isn't that the current situation? One could argue that not asking for beeing permanently locked implies not being 100% sure to never return?
I guess locking without request would require the possibility to unlock after verification (signing message), which would not have changed the result in the present case. 

[Free Market Capitalist]

I guess that proves everything...

Your "guess" is just that, a hunch.

1miau is a merit source with several hundreds of smerit every month. Do you really believe a buyer (even with a stupid plan) would let the merits unused?!

What are you talking about? You don't even know how merit sources replenishment work. By trying to argue that the person behind 1miau is just a poor victim of circumstance, you're coming up with increasingly bizarre arguments.

The moral of the story is that you should not declare your account dead citing the need to protect the person behind the 1miau account and then return several months later posting in a manner that makes others conclude the account has changed hands.

Not even that. If I were to declare myself dead but then come back without a weird alliance, without a change in my posting pattern, and without showing any difference in my knowledge, there wouldn't be half as much suspicion.

[DireWolfM14]

Last edit yesterday: Goodbye Bitcointalk

Seems that the warm "welcome back" made him leave the forum again. It's ironically that he was pushed into a situation where he has to stay away from the forum to make the final proof, that he is the original 1miau.

Congrats.  

I don't get it.  So, he edited the post to pat himself on the back...  Is that supposed to make us feel bad about voicing our suspicions and noticing the inconsistencies?  Are we now supposed to beg him to stay?

I'm not sorry you're hurt by me not being sorry.  The whole "1miau is dead" was a stupid, childish way to leave the forum in the first place.  Don't say "dead" unless what you really mean is dead, which is a permanent condition last I checked.  If his goal was to check out for 6 months, then just say "I'm checking out for six months."  Or better yet, don't say anything and just a take a break.  The forum goes on without the narcissistic "I'm leaving" posts, which always struck me as the most pathetic cry for attention to have made their way onto the inerwebs (with the obvious exception of o_e_l_e_o.)