If you believe in Bitcoin, are you not a bitcoiner?

[FirmWars]

Let debate a little about this topic if it's actually debatable or even made sense the way it does in my head. 
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‎So, I hear some people saying some things like, "if you are not holding Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
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‎"If you don't invest in Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
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‎"If you sell too soon, you are not a true bitcoiner. "
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‎Are all these even valid facts to define who is and who is not a bitcoiner?  (Make it make more sense to me).
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‎Did Satoshi even said so?  people just come up with their own ides and put it out so that more people believe in their idea.
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‎If you believe in Satoshi Nakamoto's invention of Bitcoin and you have used bitcoin and you are still using Bitcoin but not holding it, are you not a bitcoiner?
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‎I don't believe that buying and holding till eternity is what makes you a bitcoiner, neither do I believe that buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner. I'm open to learn from your opinions.

[mcdouglasx]

It all depends on how you see it. If for you, being a Bitcoiner means using it frequently or prioritizing its use over other cryptocurrencies or fiat currency, then you'll be a Bitcoiner in your own eyes, regardless of how you use it. On the other hand, there are others who see it philosophically, embodying ideas of freedom, anonymity, and economic control. It's not about an application, but about sharing the core thinking behind Bitcoin's creation. If you're a Bitcoiner, then you are too. But why do you need an explicit label? Just feel comfortable if you feel like one.

For example, for me, it's about the philosophy of Bitcoin and my interest in the technical aspects, where prices and buy/sell/hold strategies don't apply.

[hmbdofficial]

Let debate a little about this topic if it's actually debatable or even made sense the way it does in my head.  
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‎So, I hear some people saying some things like, "if you are not holding Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
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‎"If you don't invest in Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
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‎"If you sell too soon, you are not a true bitcoiner. "

Let put all this three questions together and say you’re not a bitcoin investor if you are in any of the mentioned  categories. but if you are using bitcoin and also supporting the network via p2p then you’re definitely a bitcoiner
One way or the other.
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‎Are all these even valid facts to define who is and who is not a bitcoiner?  (Make it make more sense to me).

If you ask me I’ll say those statements are wrongfully used or probably overstretched.

‎Did Satoshi even said so?  people just come up with their own ides and put it out so that more people believe in their idea.

There will always be be different narratives as to who is actually using the bitcoin the right way but the last I check it a decentralized system you are responsible for your bitcoin activities.
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‎If you believe in Satoshi Nakamoto's invention of Bitcoin and you have used bitcoin and you are still using Bitcoin but not holding it, are you not a bitcoiner?

Yes of course you’re are.
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[pawanjain]

Let debate a little about this topic if it's actually debatable or even made sense the way it does in my head. 
‎
‎So, I hear some people saying some things like, "if you are not holding Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
‎
‎"If you don't invest in Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
‎
‎"If you sell too soon, you are not a true bitcoiner. "
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‎Are all these even valid facts to define who is and who is not a bitcoiner?  (Make it make more sense to me).
‎
‎Did Satoshi even said so?  people just come up with their own ides and put it out so that more people believe in their idea.
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‎If you believe in Satoshi Nakamoto's invention of Bitcoin and you have used bitcoin and you are still using Bitcoin but not holding it, are you not a bitcoiner?
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‎I don't believe that buying and holding till eternity is what makes you a bitcoiner, neither do I believe that buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner. I'm open to learn from your opinions.

Why do you even care what others say and believe. Everyone has their own perspective and it doesn't matter if a person is a bitcoiner in one's view or not.
What qualifies for one may not qualify for another. What one person believes in, the other person can disagree with.
If you are using bitcoin or had used it earlier and plan to use it some time in future then you are a bitcoiner.
There's no validity attached to bitcoin. Anyone who embraces bitcoin is a bitcoiner.

[Findingnemo]

When you realized what decentralization is, and have used bitcoin ever they you can be called a bitcoiner. But does getting the validation of bitcoin is really matter? I don't give a shit about what others accept, I know what I am doing, and if someone is giving some advice that I see as worth changing, then I am gonna do it.

[Smartprofit]

Satoshi Nakamoto never wrote anything about "Bitcoiners." He made no demands on people using Bitcoin. 🙋

In fact, Satoshi Nakamoto was only interested in the technology. He didn't seek to create a cult around Bitcoin. That was done by his later followers. For example, laser eye images on social media, Bitcoin-related jargon, memes, the HODL investment strategy, the DCA investment strategy… Satoshi Nakamoto didn't write about such things, simply because they weren't of interest to him.

Satoshi Nakamoto didn't seek to create a cult. He also never wrote anywhere about Bitcoin reaching $1 million in the future.

The HODL strategy, in my opinion, is based on game theory. It's an attempt to create artificial coin scarcity, which should theoretically lead to an increase in the price of Bitcoin. However, in reality, a large number of transactions on the network is more beneficial for the Bitcoin system in the long run.  After all, this generates income for miners, who, in turn, ensure the network's security. So don't worry, Satoshi Nakamoto would approve of your behavior! Or, more likely, he simply wouldn't respond to you and would instead focus on writing code. 💁

[Patikno]

Let debate a little about this topic if it's actually debatable or even made sense the way it does in my head.  
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‎So, I hear some people saying some things like, "if you are not holding Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
‎
‎"If you don't invest in Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
‎
‎"If you sell too soon, you are not a true bitcoiner. "
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‎Are all these even valid facts to define who is and who is not a bitcoiner?  (Make it make more sense to me).

I still stick to my guns, and I would say Bitcoiner, or a true Bitcoiner is someone who sees Bitcoin as incredibly beneficial from every perspective. Whether it is its usefulness in facilitating borderless transactions, its usefulness as a financial instrument or investment, or anything else which might be useful in the future in ways we have never imagined. I think everyone has their own perspective on what "true Bitcoiner, or bitcoiner" is, and there may be debate on that, but I believe what I mentioned at the beginning covers it all (or, including to the conclusion).

Furthermore, I believe a true Bitcoiner will never doubt Bitcoin future; they will see it as having a bright future.

[Aymoons]

Everyone has their own personal life and I feel like people can still be a bitcoiner even if they aren't holding any bitcoin. Nobody should be forced to never sell their bitcoin and it doesn't make them a traitor for doing that. The truth is that bitcoin is volatile and not everyone is in the position to hold for years.

[Ambatman]

Bitcoin is money and money at the end needs to be used
Indefinitely holfing is unrealistic if it's not used in exchange of another goods or service to satisfy a need.

buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner

Why would you sell something you consider superior early for profit?
It's like saying one thing and your actions reflecting another.

[Wiwo]

‎I don't believe that buying and holding till eternity is what makes you a bitcoiner, neither do I believe that buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner. I'm open to learn from your opinions.

Aside from holding bitcoin as assets and trading it off whenever you wish, what other things do you use bitcoin for?

Vast Majority of people just buy hold their bitcoin sell it off and cash out they profits, and anything other than that will lead to misconceptions, no one can tell you how long you hold your bitcoin you have the sole right to sell it off anytime you want and have made profits or lost depending which price you bought your bitcoin and how much you sold the bitcoin.

When we comes to investment in bitcoin or any other assets, DYOR to avoid misleading interpretation of actions.

[freedomgo]

Personally, my own definition of being a bitcoiner is one who actively believes and supports, advocates, buys and holds bitcoin for long-term goal.

Being knowledgeable about bitcoin is already an advantage, but I would say a real bitcoiner is one who never loses faith in bitcoin despite of its flaws because we all know at the end of the day, bitcoin is still bound to hit a decent and profitable price, bitcoin is still the most superior, decentralized alternative to traditional banking and fiat currencies.

[Cookdata]

Let debate a little about this topic if it's actually debatable or even made sense the way it does in my head. 
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‎So, I hear some people saying some things like, "if you are not holding Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
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This opinions are subjective but you see this one, I will have to agree with whoever came up with the idea. You can't be something when you don't practice it. You can't be a Bitcoiner when you have never hold Bitcoin before or you have not use it before, what's that thing that makes you a Bitcoiner if not to use and hold.

‎"If you don't invest in Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
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‎"If you sell too soon, you are not a true bitcoiner. "
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I assume the first one is buy and hold, you don't have a Bitcoiner, what makes you a Bitcoiner then. You are a Bitcoiner only if you own and use Bitcoin, no arguments about this one.

The second, I'm sure about that. You can decide to do what you want with Bitcoin, you can sell and rebuy it's your decision but I will advise you hold for as long as you like, there may not be an opportunity to buy again.

‎Are all these even valid facts to define who is and who is not a bitcoiner?  (Make it make more sense to me).
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‎Did Satoshi even said so?  people just come up with their own ides and put it out so that more people believe in their idea.
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They are not valid facts they are common sense. You can't be what you don't even know. Satoshi didn't create this things because Bitcoin doesn't belong to Satoshi, it's for community and everyone and those people get to decide on what they want with Bitcoin. People get to decide what they want with Bitcoin and that's what Satoshi want, make it decentralized so everyone can belong.

[Sammye3]

Do you say you are a gambler if you don't gamble?

Same with bitcoin too, you must use bitcoin to become a Bitcoiner. Believing in bitcoin is not enough reason to be called a Bitcoiner,  you need to bring value to the bitcoin ecosystem. Anyone who believes in Bitcoin would also HODL regardless of market movements not panic sell, so its safe to say that only people who hold on to bitcoin for the long run are "true Bitcoiners".

[Tmoonz]

Let debate a little about this topic if it's actually debatable or even made sense the way it does in my head.  
‎
‎So, I hear some people saying some things like, "if you are not holding Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
‎
‎"If you don't invest in Bitcoin, you are not a bitcoiner"
‎
‎"If you sell too soon, you are not a true bitcoiner. "
‎
‎Are all these even valid facts to define who is and who is not a bitcoiner?  (Make it make more sense to me).
‎
‎Did Satoshi even said so?  people just come up with their own ides and put it out so that more people believe in their idea.
‎
‎If you believe in Satoshi Nakamoto's invention of Bitcoin and you have used bitcoin and you are still using Bitcoin but not holding it, are you not a bitcoiner?
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‎I don't believe that buying and holding till eternity is what makes you a bitcoiner, neither do I believe that buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner. I'm open to learn from your opinions.

Why do you even care what others say and believe. Everyone has their own perspective and it doesn't matter if a person is a bitcoiner in one's view or not.
What qualifies for one may not qualify for another. What one person believes in, the other person can disagree with.
If you are using bitcoin or had used it earlier and plan to use it some time in future then you are a bitcoiner.
There's no validity attached to bitcoin. Anyone who embraces bitcoin is a bitcoiner.

I will say in my opinion that anyone who is not against Bitcoin existence and more like in full support of Bitcoin existence, have interest in anything that has to do with Bitcoin and of course has or are also making use of Bitcoin in whichever way he feels he want to make use of it which might be different from what the next man is doing with it can be called a bitcoiner, this is because such person trust and believes in the ideas around Bitcoin and it's existence and without any form of reservations.

[Hypnotizer]

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‎Are all these even valid facts to define who is and who is not a bitcoiner?  (Make it make more sense to me).

No, I don’t think just that defines who a bitcoiner is…..as you’ve said the bitcoiner is someone that uses bitcoin and believes in it and its concept. What is the standard definition of the term “bitcoiner” is there any? If there should be then it should be something like what I just said.
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Do you say you are a gambler if you don't gamble?

Same with bitcoin too, you must use bitcoin to become a Bitcoiner. Believing in bitcoin is not enough reason to be called a Bitcoiner,  you need to bring value to the bitcoin ecosystem. Anyone who believes in Bitcoin would also HODL regardless of market movements not panic sell, so its safe to say that only people who hold on to bitcoin for the long run are "true Bitcoiners".

Well yes you need to atleast use Bitcoin to become a bitcoiner but from my understanding of the point of the OP, most people believe that a true bitcoiner must Hodl bitcoin but it isn’t actually that way, using Bitcoin for everyday transactions and activities is actually sounding more Bitcoiner vibes than just Hodl for long time. 

Also take note that panic selling is different from actually using Bitcoin for the main purpose it was created (The P2P usage) and using it for that brings more value to the ecosystem and makes it more healthy than merely just hodling. You can believe in bitcoin without actually Hodl, but most believers Hodl that’s why we see it as a must..

[retreat]

I think this is a topic that isn't really worth debating because it's subjective, and everyone’s perspective can differ since there’s no definitive explanation that defines it - Satoshi himself never used this term in the Bitcoin whitepaper. But if we're talking about Bitcoiners, this goes even further - these are people who truly believe in Bitcoin, not just holding or using it, but they believe in Bitcoin’s values, freedom, decentralization, and many other things that make Bitcoin so important, that's what I think.

[mirakal]

Believing alone and trusting the potentials of bitcoin do not make you a bitcoiner.  A real bitcoiner is someone who is an active proponent and actively participates in the bitcoin ecosystem. They believe in the philosophy of decentralization and long-term hodling, and not just those who come in the market and trade shortly for temporary profits but those who really practice financial sovereignty with bitcoin.

And if you have been here for over a decade sticking to bitcoin, I must say you are a true definition of a bitcoiner.

[Hazink]

‎I don't believe that buying and holding till eternity is what makes you a bitcoiner, neither do I believe that buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner. I'm open to learn from your opinions.

Holding for eternity doesn't even appear to be a valid way that contributes to the network. If everyone who first started interacting with bitcoin held it and refused to sell or transact with it, bitcoin would not be where it is today.

Everyone is free to use the network the way they want nothing makes you a less bitcoin as long as you know what bitcoin is you make use of it then you are already part of the bitcoin family which makes you a bitcoin.

[ColdLava40]

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‎I don't believe that buying and holding till eternity is what makes you a bitcoiner, neither do I believe that buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner. I'm open to learn from your opinions.

I think the concept behind Bitcoin would solve this.

Bitcoin was meant to be an alternative means of transaction. A system created so we don't have to depend on the governments own system to run transactions, just the Blockchain.

If we try to define who a Bitcoiner is, we should look at all the many definitions of what Bitcoin is. Just because you have sold your coins, doesn't mean you are not a Bitcoiner, it only means you are not a holder.

The difference is clear, a holder has long term plans, so he's goal isn't to trade using Bitcoin but to keep it as his investment. Someone who uses Bitcoin as a payment method for his business is also a Bitcoiner just another aspect in his adoption.

[Stalker22]

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I don't believe that buying and holding till eternity is what makes you a bitcoiner, neither do I believe that buying and selling too early disqualifies you a bitcoiner. I'm open to learn from your opinions.

You dont need to hold a specific balance or promise never to sell to call yourself a Bitcoiner.  However, if you dont hold any then you are a no-coiner.  You cant be a Bitcoiner and a no-coiner at the same time.  Its a total contradiction.