Fake trust by Icopress. 4th because of the $30k match fixing

[nutildah]

Wow, the one person I thought might be on RP's side in these matters:

You did not get these red tags because of the shuffle case.

This is spot on. RP doesn't realize that the more he talks, the bigger of a bullshitter he comes across as. And nobody likes a bullshitter.

What's the verdict on this one, Kaz? Crony? Right, of course. Must be another danged crony. They're just popping up out of everywhere.

[Rating Place]

It is with a heavy heart that i have to say... you have lost the plot. And a long time ago.

Firstly, we should get some things straight.

You did not get these red tags because of the shuffle case. In fact it had absolutely nothing to do with that case.
 snip

Holy gave me a red tag early. The rest piled on during the Shuffle case.

• holydarkness — 2026-04-12: Accuses me of spinning narratives and butchering words.
• nutildah — 2026-05-09: Calls me a relentless harasser of "reputable" members.
• Stalker22 — 2026-05-10 and 2026-05-17: Claims I'm lying, smearing people, and abusing trust as retaliation.
• icopress — 2026-05-21: Mentions harassment.

No one has shown any of the above to be true. Throw out holy because we disagree on sports cases. Who do I harass?

Here's the evidence where it changed from match mixing to something else. The evidence showed no match fixing. In match fixing normally you'll find players with many turnovers or awful shooting. 2 turnovers was the high by any player.

Pato Basquete Box Score

Player	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO
Danilo Penteado	29	14	6	0	0	0	1
Nathan Gomes	22	12	7	1	1	0	1
Tradavis Thompson	23	11	1	4	0	0	2
Michel Souza	22	11	3	1	2	0	2
Grigor Vieira	15	9	6	1	0	0	1
Naka	16	8	2	2	1	0	0
Edu Marília	25	6	14	3	1	2	1
Mateus Oliveira	13	2	3	1	0	0	0
João Fidelis	15	2	4	2	0	0	1
Willker Zonzini	1	2	0	0	0	0	0
Raekwon Horton	14	2	0	1	1	0	0

[nutildah]

Its amazing how this guy just casually plows on after getting swept up in a tornado of his own shit. He's completely unbothered. Simply fascinating.

[Rating Place]

Its amazing how this guy just casually plows on after getting swept up in a tornado of his own shit. He's completely unbothered. Simply fascinating.

I asked you to stay out of the thread. Please stop trolling. I'll make a self moderated thread if you continue to troll.

[Vod]

I asked you to stay out of the thread. Please stop trolling. I'll make a self moderated thread if you continue to troll.

You can always call him something horrible and untrue then ignore him until he removes what he said about you.  Just be careful - that is considered blackmail.  Don't shoot to kill over a simple insult or the escalation will bring you down, not him.  

[T1HGO]

Wow, the one person I thought might be on RP's side in these matters:

I am on the side of common sense. And this has crossed the stupidity line along time ago.

Holy gave me a red tag early. The rest piled on during the Shuffle case.

• holydarkness — 2026-04-12: Accuses me of spinning narratives and butchering words.
• nutildah — 2026-05-09: Calls me a relentless harasser of "reputable" members.
• Stalker22 — 2026-05-10 and 2026-05-17: Claims I'm lying, smearing people, and abusing trust as retaliation.
• icopress — 2026-05-21: Mentions harassment.

Exactly. During. And what does the title of this thread say? "Because". Just because it happened "during" doesn't mean it was "because".

I cannot believe that, with the case already with a closing statement, and you're still talking about matchfix and posting images about it. What the hell does this have to do with anything? What the actual fuck man.

Whenever you react to someone's comment, you should calmly read the whole post, and understand it. Because most of the time, it feels like you read 3 words out of a 15 word paragraph, and draw conclusions from the 3 words you read. Relax.

I already said at the time, holydarkness's tag should have been neutral. Every tag you got afterwards was by your doing and no one else. You kept escalating, thread after thread.

You say you didn't harass holydarkness.

Because you have minimal gambling knowledge, the sports books are playing you and you've become their mouth piece.

This doesn’t change my mind in that holy is a very dishonest person and what he’s doing in scam accusations should be criminal.

Instead of being a fair arbitor, you are playing the book’s lawyer.

Isn't this harassment? Even if everything you said is true, is it with misleading thread titles, unproven claims, misplaced quotes, AI slop without showing prompts, that you expect to convince people you're right?

Imagine if holydarkness or anyone else, went to your casino tier list thread, and questioned every position change you made, and said you were being paid to give A+ to a casino and D- to another. That you were crooked and corrupt with every change. Wouldn't that be harassment?

Every thread you open, you are just drawing attention to yourself. People that were not aware of what's going on, will eventually catch on, and you will keep collecting red tags. Every thread you open, you're closer to a new red tag.

Wake the fuck up man, seriously.

[Rating Place]

Wow, the one person I thought might be on RP's side in these matters:

I am on the side of common sense. And this has crossed the stupidity line along time ago.

Holy gave me a red tag early. The rest piled on during the Shuffle case.

• holydarkness — 2026-04-12: Accuses me of spinning narratives and butchering words.
• nutildah — 2026-05-09: Calls me a relentless harasser of "reputable" members.
• Stalker22 — 2026-05-10 and 2026-05-17: Claims I'm lying, smearing people, and abusing trust as retaliation.
• icopress — 2026-05-21: Mentions harassment.

Exactly. During. And what does the title of this thread say? "Because". Just because it happened "during" doesn't mean it was "because".

I cannot believe that, with the case already with a closing statement, and you're still talking about matchfix and posting images about it. What the hell does this have to do with anything? What the actual fuck man.

Whenever you react to someone's comment, you should calmly read the whole post, and understand it. Because most of the time, it feels like you read 3 words out of a 15 word paragraph, and draw conclusions from the 3 words you read. Relax.

I already said at the time, holydarkness's tag should have been neutral. Every tag you got afterwards was by your doing and no one else. You kept escalating, thread after thread.

You say you didn't harass holydarkness.

Because you have minimal gambling knowledge, the sports books are playing you and you've become their mouth piece.

This doesn’t change my mind in that holy is a very dishonest person and what he’s doing in scam accusations should be criminal.

Instead of being a fair arbitor, you are playing the book’s lawyer.

Isn't this harassment? Even if everything you said is true, is it with misleading thread titles, unproven claims, misplaced quotes, AI slop without showing prompts, that you expect to convince people you're right?

Imagine if holydarkness or anyone else, went to your casino tier list thread, and questioned every position change you made, and said you were being paid to give A+ to a casino and D- to another. That you were crooked and corrupt with every change. Wouldn't that be harassment?

Every thread you open, you are just drawing attention to yourself. People that were not aware of what's going on, will eventually catch on, and you will keep collecting red tags. Every thread you open, you're closer to a new red tag.

Wake the fuck up man, seriously.

holy darkness has admitted to being bias. It was your case. He switched over to the BetPanda campaign while they were having problems. Then he closed your BetPanda case and admitted to being bias.

Give me links to my quotes so I can see what happened. I want to see if holy wrongly backed the player costing him money and threw the first insults.

Name one other person that can be considered harassment by me. On my phone but I look at your links to show what happened.

Thanks again to Vod for the solid advice. I’m still learning the reputation section.

edit- this is our normal conversation.

April 26 case opened.
May 20 is my first post. I try to wait 3 weeks or so before saying anything.

I want to rule out value betting and holy replies with wanting to make a bet.

[T1HGO]

Give me links to my quotes so I can see what happened. I want to see if holy wrongly backed the player costing him money and threw the first insults.

Name one other person that can be considered harassment by me. On my phone but I look at your links to show what happened.

The quotes i posted, if you click them, it will direct you to them,

As far as i know, and saw, you didn't harass anyone else. But, you didn't get the other 3 tags because you harassed the people that tagged you, but because they saw how you were harassing holydarkness. I'm sure your misquotes and topic deflections didn't help either, but i think that was the main reason(feel free to correct if i'm wrong, taggers).

I highlighted the part you say "name one other person..." This to me seems like you admit, you might have gone too far with holydarkness, and can understand how this can be seen as harassment.

This is all started because you disagree with his methods. It is okay to disagree with him. If you want to call him out, call him out with facts. All you have been doing for the past 3 weeks is "ooga booga matchfix". The moment you went to personal attacks, you lost the plot. And i told you this. I told you you were fighting a lost battle. You chose to keep escalating. This is the consquence. This shouldn't be a surprise.

Edit: While i was typing this, you edited your comment. Okay.

April 26 case opened.
May 20 is my first post. I try to wait 3 weeks or so before saying anything.

I want to rule out value betting and holy replies with wanting to make a bet.

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So, out of nowhere, you bring a completely unrelated case to what we've been discussing. What does this has to do with anything being discussed in this thread? Isn't the title of the thread about the 30k case? Does this make any sense?

[Rating Place]

Give me links to my quotes so I can see what happened. I want to see if holy wrongly backed the player costing him money and threw the first insults.

Name one other person that can be considered harassment by me. On my phone but I look at your links to show what happened.

The quotes i posted, if you click them, it will direct you to them,

As far as i know, and saw, you didn't harass anyone else. But, you didn't get the other 3 tags because you harassed the people that tagged you, but because they saw how you were harassing holydarkness. I'm sure your misquotes and topic deflections didn't help either, but i think that was the main reason(feel free to correct if i'm wrong, taggers).

I highlighted the part you say "name one other person..." This to me seems like you admit, you might have gone too far with holydarkness, and can understand how this can be seen as harassment.

This is all started because you disagree with his methods. It is okay to disagree with him. If you want to call him out, call him out with facts. All you have been doing for the past 3 weeks is "ooga booga matchfix". The moment you went to personal attacks, you lost the plot. And i told you this. I told you you were fighting a lost battle. You chose to keep escalating. This is the consquence. This shouldn't be a surprise.

Holy throws punches and I do get caught up at times. I'll look later but my images above show our normal conversation. You cherry picked quotes from 5,000 posts.

No one has gotten their winnings paid by holy in 2 years (from memory) because of his actions. We have overturned his recommendations and players get paid winnings. The only way to get people paid is by showing rules and countering holy. The $30k case got brought to light because it's binding. The same thing has gone on for 2 years. There are fictitious rules and for my eyes only viewing.

[Stalker22]

Holy gave me a red tag early. The rest piled on during the Shuffle case.
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How about you get your fucking facts straight for once?  Where did you get the delusional idea that my negative trust on your profile has anything to do with your disagreement with holydarkness or the Shuffle case?  Did I ever say or even imply that?

I thought I explained it clearly enough in my reply to your PM.  Just go back and actually read the trust comment and follow the reference link.

[T1HGO]

Holy throws punches and I do get caught up at times. I'll look later but my images above show our normal conversation. You cherry picked quotes from 5,000 posts.

No one has gotten their winnings paid by holy in 2 years (from memory) because of his actions. We have overturned his recommendations and players get paid winnings. The only way to get people paid is by showing rules and countering holy. The $30k case got brought to light because it's binding. The same thing has gone on for 2 years. There are fictitious rules and for my eyes only viewing.

Given the ammount of posts you make a day, it's fair to say i cherry-picked. But i gave 3 as an example only. There are more where you clearly cross the line.

But isn't this also cherry-picking?

No one has gotten their winnings paid by holy in 2 years (from memory) because of his actions.

Because this clearly isn't true.

Have you ever seen a casino, post sensitive information about player's cases, in a public forum board? I haven't.
Genuine question and i expect you do answer it: Do you see a better way, for casinos to show sensitive information about players, that isn't for-eyes-only of a reputable member of the forum? If you have a better idea, i would genuinely like to read it.

[Rating Place]

Holy throws punches and I do get caught up at times. I'll look later but my images above show our normal conversation. You cherry picked quotes from 5,000 posts.

No one has gotten their winnings paid by holy in 2 years (from memory) because of his actions. We have overturned his recommendations and players get paid winnings. The only way to get people paid is by showing rules and countering holy. The $30k case got brought to light because it's binding. The same thing has gone on for 2 years. There are fictitious rules and for my eyes only viewing.

Given the ammount of posts you make a day, it's fair to say i cherry-picked. But i gave 3 as an example only. There are more where you clearly cross the line.

But isn't this also cherry-picking?

No one has gotten their winnings paid by holy in 2 years (from memory) because of his actions.

Because this clearly isn't true.

Have you ever seen a casino, post sensitive information about player's cases, in a public forum board? I haven't.
Genuine question and i expect you do answer it: Do you see a better way, for casinos to show sensitive information about players, that isn't for-eyes-only of a reputable member of the forum? If you have a better idea, i would genuinely like to read it.

sure, the cases I get in are very easy. They are all sports.

1. Arbitrage- show two bet slips proving arb. Holy says a flag proves arb. It doesn’t prove arb.
2. Value- show the bets so we can make a decision.
3. Fixed- Prove why it’s fixed.

Just ask the book the allegation and tell them to prove it. Going outside the allegation isn’t fair to the player. The book must prove guilt, the player doesn’t have to prove his innocence.

A way to expedite sportsbooks complaints.

1. Player posts complaint.
2. Book has one week to answer. If they don’t answer, put up a flag.
3. If they do answer then discussion with all parties and posters occurs.
4. If it’s almost 100% positive that the book is wrong among posters, put up a flag if they don’t pay.

[Vod]

A way to expedite sportsbooks complaints.

1. Player posts complaint.
2. Book has one week to answer. If they don’t answer, put up a flag.
3. If they do answer then discussion with all parties and posters occurs.
4. If it’s almost 100% positive that the book is wrong among posters, put up a flag if they don’t pay.

Seems fair, but every person feels they are blessed.    They will view your complaint, even accept it as true, but think "That won't happen to me" and continue, esp if they like the sportsbooker.

[Rating Place]

A way to expedite sportsbooks complaints.

1. Player posts complaint.
2. Book has one week to answer. If they don’t answer, put up a flag.
3. If they do answer then discussion with all parties and posters occurs.
4. If it’s almost 100% positive that the book is wrong among posters, put up a flag if they don’t pay.

Seems fair, but every person feels they are blessed.    They will view your complaint, even accept it as true, but think "That won't happen to me" and continue, esp if they like the sportsbooker.

That’s very true. People like their book, have always had a good experience and will stick with the book.

One good thing about using the method above, sportsbooks will pay. They don’t want their reputation ruined. With this Shuffle case if everyone were in agreement that the player should be paid, a flag is the motivation for Shuffle to pay.

We shouldn’t strong arm a book with the threat of a flag. The flag should be used only if the forum as a group is in favor of the player. Not just a majority, but an overwhelming majority.

If there’s an overwhelming majority agrees in the thread, then put up a flag and vote support or oppose.

[Vod]

Not just a majority, but an overwhelming majority.

Of those that choose to participate.   Each report will lead to the townspeople ignoring you next time you cry wolf.

The moral of The Boy Who Cried Wolf is that liars are not believed even when they tell the truth. The classic Aesop's fable teaches that constantly deceiving others erodes your credibility, meaning no one will come to your aid when you genuinely need it..

So maybe you are not lying, and maybe you are not deceiving.  Still, people that like the playbook you accuse will be less interested the next time you complain.  (Again, not you literally, just easier to type)

Another way, if you cast a wide net while fishing, you will wind up with more fish hating your guts... for a few seconds anyway.  

[Rating Place]

Not just a majority, but an overwhelming majority.

Of those that choose to participate.   Each report will lead to the townspeople ignoring you next time you cry wolf.

The moral of The Boy Who Cried Wolf is that liars are not believed even when they tell the truth. The classic Aesop's fable teaches that constantly deceiving others erodes your credibility, meaning no one will come to your aid when you genuinely need it..

So maybe you are not lying, and maybe you are not deceiving.  Still, people that like the playbook you accuse will be less interested the next time you complain.  (Again, not you literally, just easier to type)

Another way, if you cast a wide net while fishing, you will wind up with more fish hating your guts... for a few seconds anyway.  

After thinking about it more, I agree that the player should be the one to create the flag. But once a flag is created, the people voting to support it should hold the evidence to a very high standard before backing it.

I understand why some people may think I am crying wolf, but that is not what is happening. I am not trying to smear anyone, harass anyone, or create drama for the sake of it. There is no lying.

The issue is that holydarkness has placed himself in the role of mediator in sportsbook and casino disputes. That is a serious role, and it requires real experience with how these operators frame disputes.

Sportsbooks are very good at presenting things in a way that sounds convincing, especially when they are trying to justify withholding winnings. Sports gambling is also very different from casino disputes. You need experience with line movement, betting patterns, limits, odds providers, arbitrage/value betting claims, integrity claims, and how books use those arguments against players.

In my opinion, this is not holydarkness’s field, and that creates an unfair situation for players. I can get quotes from many experienced bettors who would say the same thing, sportsbook disputes require a different level of knowledge than general casino disputes.

That is why I feel stuck.

Do I sit back and stay quiet while players may be getting stiffed, just to avoid negative trust and personal attacks? Or do I speak up when I believe an innocent player is being treated unfairly?

I am not saying I am always perfect with wording. I understand people may disagree with how I present things. But the reason I jump in is because I believe the player side is often being handled unfairly, and once the book’s version becomes accepted as fact, the player has almost no chance.

[Vod]

Do I sit back and stay quiet while players may be getting stiffed, just to avoid negative trust and personal attacks? Or do I speak up when I believe an innocent player is being treated unfairly?

Why not let the player complain and you can support them without going all in?

[Rating Place]

Do I sit back and stay quiet while players may be getting stiffed, just to avoid negative trust and personal attacks? Or do I speak up when I believe an innocent player is being treated unfairly?

Why not let the player complain and you can support them without going all in?

I tried that earlier but it didn’t work. The Shuffle thread is really a good example of what’s needed. Holy agreed yesterday that the player is right. Hopefully Shuffle keeps their word and pays the $30k. It cost me 3 negative trusts.

 …….However: the evidence thus far should indicate no foul play made by pvzera1 on 7th of March. And thus, I heavily advise Shuffle to honor pvzera1's winning and paid in amount agreed.  

[holydarkness]

sure, the cases I get in are very easy. They are all sports.

1. Arbitrage- show two bet slips proving arb. Holy says a flag proves arb. It doesn’t prove arb.
2. Value- show the bets so we can make a decision.
3. Fixed- Prove why it’s fixed.

Just ask the book the allegation and tell them to prove it. Going outside the allegation isn’t fair to the player. The book must prove guilt, the player doesn’t have to prove his innocence.

A way to expedite sportsbooks complaints.

1. Player posts complaint.
2. Book has one week to answer. If they don’t answer, put up a flag.
3. If they do answer then discussion with all parties and posters occurs.
4. If it’s almost 100% positive that the book is wrong among posters, put up a flag if they don’t pay.

Sounds heavily like peer pressuring casino/sportsbook, eh? "You have one week, or we'll have flag against you. Two outcomes that immediataely come after this if we follow this suggestion: Flag lose it's power as "the ultimate warning", sportsbook and casino will leave the forum as they don't see forum as a good medium. Perhaps even a hostile one, one dare say.

One other situation that make this also non-feasible: not all allegation in SA board is limited to those three: multi-acc, accessing from prohibited jurisdiction, bypassing limitation, bypassing self-exclusion, late-bet.

Here's one irony: if we apply your rule, by now and by that logic, your Fairlay friend should already be flagged for their inability to provide evidence in one week. They begin their dispute thread by May 29th, and ended on 11th November, and there were months where they're not "answering" their own thread.

A living proof that a case can't simply be: player [or book] post complaint, book has one week to answer, if they don't, put up a flag. That is your "peer presssure" mentality, a way you thought to be effective to pressure casino to pay by threat of flag that will ruin their reputation rather than to get to the bottom of the case that will take days if not weeks. And that, the peer pressure mentality, is one of the reason why [I dare assume] you get your tags, if more not  coming, as the more you speak and twist words in multi-threads, the more you got tangled in the situation.

Further: here, [SCAM' Toshi.bet blocked my account and hasn't responded for 3 weeks. The case was not about value betting, no words about value bet uttered, yet you jumped to value betting. And now the sportsbook has to prove that there is a value betting or they'll get flagged? How? Why? That accusation only exist in your mind and not in reality, how do they prove something that is not the matter just becauase you said it's the matter?

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The issue is that holydarkness has placed himself in the role of mediator in sportsbook and casino disputes. That is a serious role, and it requires real experience with how these operators frame disputes.
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Is this yet another slander libel? It sounded like you have another defamatory statement against me, in writing, that have permanence status as it is written and immortalized.

I previously deliberately consider your defamatory attack as slander as I don't want to dwell in them and don't want to consider them as a permanent thing. Rather fleeting. But you insist I use the correct law wording, so... is this another libel? Because you heavily implied that I don't know about what I do.

[T1HGO]

I tried that earlier but it didn’t work. The Shuffle thread is really a good example of what’s needed. Holy agreed yesterday that the player is right. Hopefully Shuffle keeps their word and pays the $30k. It cost me 3 negative trusts.

Dear lord. Holy shit, this has to be ragebait, right? This is both fascinating and sad.

Well, GG. It seems you are determined to continue to walk this path, and keep cosplaying as Ash Ketchum of red tags. Gotta catch em all i guess.

Good luck on your red tag persuit.

I wanna be the very best...🎵