No toll fee, but there will be environmental protection fee

[Karl_3000]

I'm quite surprised that you came to debate the undebatable. If you consider the arithmetic and economics rounding this, you will know that the US has significantly low trade crossing that path via water, which invariably means Trump will weigh the option as "not much" in latter effect compared to how it would have affected the US if the trade dependence is high. But the problem is that you are only looking at the present.

I am not saying US will be bother, I am saying that if they think the toll or environmental protection fee will not affect them, they are deceiving themselves. It will affect the US through international trade dynamics, supply chain expenses, and global market competition. You said it will affect you and I but you exclude the US.

US import 2.5% oil through the Strait but import 20% of fertilizers through the Strait.

[bhadz]

They should give this to Iran just to let it go and end the war. I am sure that the shipping vessels and companies that are passing through there would be happy to comply.

You think vessels passing an international waterway would be happy to be extorted in millions of dollars, how can you imagine such a thing, who likes extortion? Only those imposing it i'm sure. I don't understand how many of you don't know that this is a terrible proposal that benefits nobody, other than Iran.

It also sets a dangerous precedent, i mean, if Iran is allowed to extort vessels at sea, what stops other countries that border important international route/passage from doing the same?

Yeah, you're right it doesn't make sense. And I thought that it's just some environmental fee that is cheap. I just have realized it that I was wrong.

They should give this to Iran just to let it go and end the war. I am sure that the shipping vessels and companies that are passing through there would be happy to comply.

Nope that will not happen. Also, we don't know if the war will end if this "fee" will push through. Do you also expect that those ships out there will comply? If this happens then it will affect the whole oil industry and the price of oil around the world will permanently increase in prices.

This "fee" thing that the Iran will get will have a domino effect towards other countries. Oil price will increase, and so are the goods, and everything that depends on Oil.

Both of you are right because what's on my mind is that just give their demand and let's see the war ends. But I was wrong and assuming in good faith that they'll do that. We've seen how they have been asking for such high demands and no one isn't going to pay so much in that money. It made me realized that you are right that this is also going to be put in top of the oil they bought and we'll also be affected by these fees because oil will be more expensive that comes from that region.

[DiMarxist]

What is the difference between environmental protection fee and the toll fee. What is important here is that Iran is collecting money for ships that passes through the strait of Hormuz. This war to an extent has worked largely in the favour of Iran because they have been able to hold the rest of the world to ransom as a result of their control in this very important water water which they control. Just imagine how much money Iran will be collecting from this so called environmental protection fee that they will be collecting from the ships that will be passing from the strait of Hormuz.

[Coyster]

This war to an extent has worked largely in the favour of Iran because they have been able to hold the rest of the world to ransom as a result of their control in this very important water water which they control.

No it hasn't worked in their favor. They lost a lot in this war, losses that would take them a lot of time and money to recoup, maybe that is why they want to resort to extortion to raise a fraction of the money they require. That said, they have definitely held their own in this war, that's for sure, and their blockade in the Strait of Hormuz has caused a global economic problem, shifting much of the pressure to Trump.

The war has not worked in the favor of anyone, wars hardly do. Believe it or not, both parties want it to end.

[snowpega]

We have seen the the war in Iran is getting to a point that there could be a peace deal. Iran is saying there is no toll fee again, that it will be  environmental protection fee and I think the country mean this.

It is likely that the fee will be in bitcoin, but it is possible that United States may unfreeze Iran assets and also remove the sanctions which can make Iran to think otherwise.

https://x.com/i/status/2058917330105544928

It is very possible that this war later favour Iran in making money from the ships that is travelling through the Strait of Hormuz.

Mate, this is really something strange at the same time when they both are very close to a peace agreement deal US is breaking the agreement as the US launched a strike today on the Strait of Hormuz. This is not a good act toward the betterment of the peace deal and the world's current situation. I mean, after Iran, the whole world is suffering the consequences of their war. The rate of inflation is increasing, the rate of living costs is increasing, the rate of oil and gas is increasing, and the rate of goods is increasing. This is not a good sign for all countries internationally because it is damaging every country's economy.

And once they both make a successful peace agreement deal, then after that, I think the situation will start to move toward the positive side. And countries' economies will again start to grow. America has to be wise in this matter, and they should show patience towards this matter. They are behaving so cleverly, which is not a good thing for the whole world. They both should find a path to escalate from this war. What do you think?

[Mhizlove]

What is the difference between environmental protection fee and the toll fee. What is important here is that Iran is collecting money for ships that passes through the strait of Hormuz. This war to an extent has worked largely in the favour of Iran because they have been able to hold the rest of the world to ransom as a result of their control in this very important water water which they control. Just imagine how much money Iran will be collecting from this so called environmental protection fee that they will be collecting from the ships that will be passing from the strait of Hormuz.

I will say that in situations like this, it shows how geography alone can become an economic weapon. A country do not need to be the richest in the world before it can influence global markets if it controls something highly important. Meanwhile excessive pressure on international trade pathways can affect the ordinary people too, because higher shipping costs normally ends up in increasing goods prices and fuel around the world.

[Die_empty]

Mate, this is really something strange at the same time when they both are very close to a peace agreement deal US is breaking the agreement as the US launched a strike today on the Strait of Hormuz. This is not a good act toward the betterment of the peace deal and the world's current situation. I mean, after Iran, the whole world is suffering the consequences of their war. The rate of inflation is increasing, the rate of living costs is increasing, the rate of oil and gas is increasing, and the rate of goods is increasing. This is not a good sign for all countries internationally because it is damaging every country's economy.

And once they both make a successful peace agreement deal, then after that, I think the situation will start to move toward the positive side. And countries' economies will again start to grow. America has to be wise in this matter, and they should show patience towards this matter. They are behaving so cleverly, which is not a good thing for the whole world. They both should find a path to escalate from this war. What do you think?

Donald Trump is facing serious internal and external pressure to end the war. He is losing the support of some of his core supporters in the Republican Party because of the blunder of going into this war. The war is costing the US more than they ever estimated, and they are seeking ways to end it. The US wants to get a good deal to avoid being ashamed of its miscalculations.

There is already a deal and the ceasefire has been extended. We hope that the oil price will drop, thereby reducing inflation globally. It's good that the US and Iran tested their capacity because the tension between the two nations has been high. I guess we would experience a long time of peace because both parties will respect each other, since there was no victor or vanquished.

[dansus021]

well according to the news The United States, the UN, and Gulf allies have been fiercely adamant that Iran cannot legally charge a toll on an open international waterway like the Strait of Hormuz. and if Iran said so I dont think we need another long unprofitable wars for other like this again. TBH its really hit hard for another country as well.

another news said that earlier this month, Iran unveiled its state-backed Hormuz Safe digital platform. Because traditional SWIFT banking rails are blocked by Western sanctions, the system was designed to issue "cryptographically verifiable insurance policies" and transit clearance codes directly to shipping companies explicitly settled in Bitcoin and stablecoins. If this true well SWIFT gonna collapse if other country is using the same tactic

I hope both US and Iran could find a safe way out of this the world is getting crazier day by day.

[Akbarkoe]

well according to the news The United States, the UN, and Gulf allies have been fiercely adamant that Iran cannot legally charge a toll on an open international waterway like the Strait of Hormuz. and if Iran said so I dont think we need another long unprofitable wars for other like this again. TBH its really hit hard for another country as well.

another news said that earlier this month, Iran unveiled its state-backed Hormuz Safe digital platform. Because traditional SWIFT banking rails are blocked by Western sanctions, the system was designed to issue "cryptographically verifiable insurance policies" and transit clearance codes directly to shipping companies explicitly settled in Bitcoin and stablecoins. If this true well SWIFT gonna collapse if other country is using the same tactic

I hope both US and Iran could find a safe way out of this the world is getting crazier day by day.

The current situation is prolematic, Iran is trying to initiate its intentions but also the US will not allow it, it is very difficult to see both of them to find a solution at this time because there are different interests that are very much wanted by both countries, if a peace agreement occurs one of them must give in and we know that when the US gives in it will be an insult to them, as well as Iran if they give in then they will receive a very large loss.
At the moment it is very difficult to see that but I also hope for a win-win solution to this conflict because if it is too natural it is also not a good option because it will damage global distribution through the strait of Hormuz.

[hyudien]

The service charge sounds friendlier but at the same time, not much different from the toll fee, I don't know if this move will work, after all the strait of Hormuz is an international shipping lane, so the US will probably still refuse this negotiation. Well one thing is important right now, the war between them is winding down, and with a diplomatic approach like this it is much better. Hopefully, there will be a middle ground for the negotiation of the Strait of Hormuz.

[STT]

In terms of a win, this war has benefitted Iran is my very rough view.   They were under various hard restrictions and sanctions a few years back.
  Now they are bargaining for advantage knowing they have weathered the storm, proved their long term resilience vs the largest military on earth it has to be taken as a win for them comparatively I think.

The natural leverage they have over world oil sales and transportation is significant and this was probably known by all the gulf states, who asked for this war not to be started in the first place.  Now we're here, the peace is likely found by Iran gaining advantage over their pre war situation and advancing their interests in return for not using their ability to undermine logistics locally and further afield.

Iran is not a signatory to UNCLOS

Charging a toll is illegal so far as I know but China has demonstrated violence against neighbouring nations on the basis they own everything within international waters, the entire sea is China so the attitude is not singular.
  Aspirations to possess and command everything in sight is not rare around the world, fights over territorial waters is frequent and Iran controls the deepest waters in this area.    I was thinking Oman should create a Suez canal or similar but I don't think the terrain allows this.

UAE’s Fujairah pipeline,
which bypasses Hormuz by sending oil overland to the Gulf of Oman

[JeffBrad12]

The service charge sounds friendlier but at the same time, not much different from the toll fee, I don't know if this move will work, after all the strait of Hormuz is an international shipping lane, so the US will probably still refuse this negotiation. Well one thing is important right now, the war between them is winding down, and with a diplomatic approach like this it is much better. Hopefully, there will be a middle ground for the negotiation of the Strait of Hormuz.

US is clearly refusing this even threatening to attack Oman recently stated by the president himself if they are joining hands, even though there is no clarification that Oman actually want to manage the strait.
The changing of words from toll to environmental protection fee just a strategy to attract interest from environmental activist. But anyone can see that this is nothing more than a word play.

[Cheema02]

What is the difference between environmental protection fee and the toll fee. What is important here is that Iran is collecting money for ships that passes through the strait of Hormuz. This war to an extent has worked largely in the favour of Iran because they have been able to hold the rest of the world to ransom as a result of their control in this very important water water which they control. Just imagine how much money Iran will be collecting from this so called environmental protection fee that they will be collecting from the ships that will be passing from the strait of Hormuz.

Your point is very realistic about the new taxes on ships on the head of environment Protection Charges AMD mainly these fee is collected to control water pollution and maintain the waterways. But when ships are forced to pay heavey duties for just passing through an important tradeway like Hormuz then it puts more pressure on economy. As we know Iran controls the most important oil trade route so if Iran collect some charges from ships for passing through this route then Iran generate massive revenue. So that action of Iran make disturbance in oil and energy markets. So Iran gets benefits temporarily but the other world faces crises. So if conflicts run longer then the geopolitical situations of that areas has huge impact also on other country and makes instable situations.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Mate, this is really something strange at the same time when they both are very close to a peace agreement deal US is breaking the agreement as the US launched a strike today on the Strait of Hormuz. This is not a good act toward the betterment of the peace deal and the world's current situation. I mean, after Iran, the whole world is suffering the consequences of their war. The rate of inflation is increasing, the rate of living costs is increasing, the rate of oil and gas is increasing, and the rate of goods is increasing. This is not a good sign for all countries internationally because it is damaging every country's economy.

And once they both make a successful peace agreement deal, then after that, I think the situation will start to move toward the positive side. And countries' economies will again start to grow. America has to be wise in this matter, and they should show patience towards this matter. They are behaving so cleverly, which is not a good thing for the whole world. They both should find a path to escalate from this war. What do you think?

Donald Trump is facing serious internal and external pressure to end the war. He is losing the support of some of his core supporters in the Republican Party because of the blunder of going into this war. The war is costing the US more than they ever estimated, and they are seeking ways to end it. The US wants to get a good deal to avoid being ashamed of its miscalculations.

There is already a deal and the ceasefire has been extended. We hope that the oil price will drop, thereby reducing inflation globally. It's good that the US and Iran tested their capacity because the tension between the two nations has been high. I guess we would experience a long time of peace because both parties will respect each other, since there was no victor or vanquished.

Iran definitely suffered more structural damage during this war and they sacrificed a lot but stood their ground because Bitcoin and crypto currencies made them not bend to financial constraints that would have been the case with the U.S seizing their financial assets and thinking they have defeated them economically.

With the way things are moving, Iran has been able to institutionalize a permanent revenue choke point that is at this moment a long term financial asset for them because I don't believe they would stop using crypto currencies having learnt a great deal of the capabilities of the U.S exercising control over their finances.

[yhiaali3]

AFAIK, the United States has not accepted Iran imposing fees on crossing the Strait of Hormuz, and I don't think they will accept fees for environmental protection. This is a clever plan by Iran to use the Strait of Hormuz as a winning economic card and a strong card in negotiations.

Trump also stated that he would not cancel the Iranian funds frozen by the United States, and so far the situation remains unclear and no one knows whether an agreement will be reached or not because Trump makes a statement that contradicts the one before him.