Russia is surely sacrificing long term prosperity for prolonged war!

[YOSHIE]

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

In my observation, Russia and Ukraine have an important role in the world's perspective, especially in the global economic sector, where Russia currently acts as the world's main energy producer while the food basket, if this war does not end will certainly have a geographical impact on the economy, namelyEurope.

However, if we examine in detail the Russian economy did not have a serious impact on the war with Ukraine, on the contrary what we see is that Ukraine is currently experiencing a massive contraction due to the war, such as severe damage to infrastructure as well as other effects such as the blockade of sea ports. Black currently.

I rate the Conflict between Russia vs. Ukraine, Russia must sacrifice global prosperity, the worst impact on Europe, the current war situation will worsen for Ukraine itself, because currently they depend on international support, whether financial or other support.

[slapper]

The sacrifice has already been made, though. 5.9 trillion ruble deficit in four months. And the budget is almost 40% military now. No one returns from that type of allocation without a lot of pain on the other side. You just don't.

Yes, I know that everyone is saying "but Russia adapted to sanctions". They diverted trade, worked around, leaned on China. However, adapting and prospering are two different things. You can adapt to losing a leg too, doesn't mean you're running marathons after.

Hundreds of thousands of men pulled from the workforce. Loss of 300k+ skilled individuals who left and are creating lives somewhere else. You think they're coming back? For what exactly? Nabiullina termed the labour shortage as unprecedented. That's a word that has meaning from her. She doesn't do dramatic.

Not to mention the China thing. Russia went from being Europe's energy supplier to being Beijing's discount resource provider. Power of Siberia 2 still on hold as China has literally no hurry. Now they have the cards. That doesn't change.

[Mate2237]

Op you are the one assuming that Russia is risking their prolonged prosperity over prolonged war which they have waged against Ukraine over the years. You have to know that Russia as a country has their targets and goals for been in this war, so statements like this may not represent the true colour of things that is happening. Russia surely has an agenda for this war which I know has something to do with the economic prosperity of Russia.


The part of Ukraine which Russia is trying to claim back to the Russia federation is rich in mineral. So imagine Russia wining the war and getting all those minerals to themselves that means more sources of revenue for the country because, Russia is going to mine such minerals and sell them.

[DrBeer]

Frankly speaking I believe that if Russia, had envisaged that this war will drag to this point and that it will cost them so much both economically and in human resources I'm sure that they would have thought twice before hastily invading Ukraine. They definitely thought that the invasion would be a walk in the park but see where it has landed them, Ukraine's continued resistence have kept the war going, from what I can see the both sides are not ready to retreat.

Russia's pride is on the line and they wouldn't want to back down at this point so it means that they are prepared to sacrifice other sectors of their economy to fund the war, same with Ukraine, who will not bow down despite the harsh reality of the war on their economy. I hope that they can reach an agreement sometime soon because they cannot continue like this unless they want to go on until one of them will give up.

Populism, corruption and total lies in the russian government have caused such "blunders". Well, and inflated self-esteem - just remember how they constantly put on display that Russia is supposedly "the second army of the world", that it has "unparalleled armaments", "the strongest economy" and other propaganda nonsense. And it played against them - they deceived themselves.
The army turned out to be just "cannon fodder" unable to break a small and poorly armed army. The "unparalleled armament" also turned out to be a fake. The strongest economy? It's funny - in 4 years Russia has lost its strategic buyers in the EU, lost its markets FOREVER, became a raw materials appendage of China and India. Russia is pathetically begging for manpower from North Korea, and Shaheds and missiles from Iran ! Isn't that a success ?
There is still a general mobilization and collapse of private business, global resolution of key industries (oil and gas sector) ahead.
It is not the “pride of Russia” at stake for a country that has no honor to be proud of ! At stake is the life of the Kremlin Fuhrer and Rashism as an ideology !
He will kill millions more of his citizens, destroy the economy of his country, just to save his own skin and try to realize his painful complexes, which he earned when small but proud Ukraine gave a giant empire a kick in the teeth !

[lovesmayfamilis]

There is a question of sovereignty here and where big countries consider themselves or want to express themselves as superpowers they are always busy showing off their power. Considering the situation of the war between Ukraine and Russia you may say that Russia is holding back their economy by waging war for a long time but if it stops this war and Ukraine emerges as an independent state then the level of Russia's power display will decrease. Other countries of the world will start to look down on Russia's power.

Son, Ukraine has been an independent state for a long time. What kind of independence are you talking about? Similarly, which countries and what kind of arrogance are you writing about, and how is Russia slowing down Ukraine's economy? There is a war going on in both directions. In your case, it's better to keep quiet than write shit.
I respect the opinions of patriots who are at war, but the opinions of amateurs who write without knowing about the current situation can be considered ordinary spam.
Pick up a book and read the story. Try to decipher the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), and then talk about sovereignty.

[Mhizlove]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

I will say that the  economic  consequences of war don not always show up immediately, because sometimes a country can still be functioning during conflict, but the long term effect is on skilled workers, future growth and investments which can take years before it can be noticeable by people. That's why measuring success is not about who last much longer, rather about how strong the economy will still remain when the conflict comes to an end

[Doll2233]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

This long on going war is creating economic trade off , war drain huge amount of money and resources from a country the resources that they can put into their infrastructure , innovation, health Care sector or for the education sector. Those economy which are affected by the wars cannot be predicted for long run different factors such as trade domestic production or financial system helps a country to be stable even under war conditions different industries like defence sector expands during war time but the clear view will be seen once the war will end. Prolonged war often shift resources away from development towards the military needs of the nation and this will affect the overall growth of the country.

[Danica22]

increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

If you think there will be increased isolation of Russian then you are completely wrong. The relationship between China and Russia is mutual, and I wouldn't see it as a one-sided thing. The US and other western countries imposed sanctions on Russian for years, and now you think they are going to feel isolated?

Many people are still stuck with an outdated or stubborn mindset, believing that the US and the West are the sole ruler of this world. They assume any country sanctioned and isolated by the West will collapse. They refuse to accept that the world has changed and a multipolar order is emerging. The West is no longer the world hegemon and the sole arbiter of global order

Iran has been able to survive after decades of isolation. How can a country with massive resource reserves, close ties with major economies like China, Brazil, India, and a member of BRICS be afraid of the West childish sanction?

[Cheema02]

Russia can keep the lights on for years thanks to oil revenue and Chinese trade, but propping up the ruble and pouring money into defense isn't the same as building a future. The brain drain alone is a problem you can't fix with a budget surplus.

Once skilled people leave and foreign tech stops coming in, you fall behind and by the time it shows up in the numbers it's already too late to reverse. So yeah, the bill is being paid now, just not in a way that makes headlines.

If a country has a strong trade partnership and generate a huge revenue through oil trading and continuously funding its economy its doesn't means that it gets long term stability and growth. Because long term success requires consistent inovation and skilled people.  But the main problem for people is that they leave the country for better opportunities and they are most talented and skill full people so if that kind of people leave the country then how this country get Succces. So with time the industry of that country becomes flouped and all departs works with average skilled person so this situation leads the country towards financial instability and also the foreign investors losing there interest in that contaries which already faces the financial crises. But the actually twist is that these problems are not identify easily in economic reports. So the country is looking forward for financial stability only when almost all individuals touches the best living style.

[KiaKia]

Russia is never a weak country, I really wished that Ukraine never go to war with them in the first place, I guess we have some russians on this forum because I am seeing few posts using the words like thankfully that russia has resources to keep the war going.

I speak peace, I want peace, I don't like that this war is taking this long, it turns my stomach upside that this is coming from people, even reading through this topic alone is very sad.

I wish we can discuss more about how possibly this war can come to an end that talking about how they can prepare for a long term battle, this is very sad.

[Minor Miner]

Russia is never a weak country, I really wished that Ukraine never go to war with them in the first place, I guess we have some russians on this forum because I am seeing few posts using the words like thankfully that russia has resources to keep the war going.

I speak peace, I want peace, I don't like that this war is taking this long, it turns my stomach upside that this is coming from people, even reading through this topic alone is very sad.

Ukraine made things even worse by wanting to join Nato. That is the red line that Russia has been warning about for years.

Ukraine should not have fallen into the trap that Nato had set. The Russia-Ukraine war would be a war between Nato and Russia, not just a conflict between two neighboring countries.

I wish we can discuss more about how possibly this war can come to an end that talking about how they can prepare for a long term battle, this is very sad.

Nobody wants war, except for greedy politicians and obsessed with power. And we have virtually no way to end this war because it is beyond our control.

[DrBeer]

Russia is never a weak country, I really wished that Ukraine never go to war with them in the first place, I guess we have some russians on this forum because I am seeing few posts using the words like thankfully that russia has resources to keep the war going.

I speak peace, I want peace, I don't like that this war is taking this long, it turns my stomach upside that this is coming from people, even reading through this topic alone is very sad.

I wish we can discuss more about how possibly this war can come to an end that talking about how they can prepare for a long term battle, this is very sad.

Ukraine is at war with Russia ? Probably you did not express your thought well in English, please clarify !
And now the question - should we have let the terrorist country simply destroy all of Ukraine, as they did with Donetsk, Lugansk, parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipro, Kharkov and Sumy regions?

I apologize for the question, but I want to understand your logic and worldview, tell me - would you say this, for example, to your sister, who will try to rape and she will resist, if the rapist is much stronger than her ?
You don't have to resist, he is strong, he may kill her later, but why should you fight him? Am I, from your point of view, correct?

PS As practice has shown - Russia is strong only by statements, we have heard "Let's take Kiev in 3 days", and "the second army of the world" and other nonsense of propaganda

[fruktik]

What you say is absolutely true. Russia is not a weak country they have been subject to numerous sanctions yet their economy remains stable. Furthermore, this war is not a war without a purpose it is a war to maintain the country's long-term security.

I have to disagree with you here. Why? Why do you think the country's economy remains stable? It's not, and the situation is only getting worse.

Now let's get to the facts. In the first three months of this year alone, the budget deficit amounted to almost 6 trillion rubles. The planned budget for the entire year was approximately 4.5-5 trillion. This enormous financial hole is only growing by the day, and there are no sources to plug it.

Over the past few months, more than 250,000 small and medium-sized businesses have closed. This is a colossal figure that reflects the real state of affairs. Tax revenues have decreased.

Banks receive subsidies from the budget because they simply don't have enough of their own funds.

Every week, the issuance of more than 4 trillion rubles is accelerating inflation.

No amount of oil or gas can change this situation. Therefore, the decision was made to implement a strict budget cut, which will impact the entire economy.

There's no need to harbor any illusions. The country is on the brink of financial collapse.

[Swordsoffreedom]

What you say is absolutely true. Russia is not a weak country they have been subject to numerous sanctions yet their economy remains stable. Furthermore, this war is not a war without a purpose it is a war to maintain the country's long-term security.

I have to disagree with you here. Why? Why do you think the country's economy remains stable? It's not, and the situation is only getting worse.

Now let's get to the facts. In the first three months of this year alone, the budget deficit amounted to almost 6 trillion rubles. The planned budget for the entire year was approximately 4.5-5 trillion. This enormous financial hole is only growing by the day, and there are no sources to plug it.

Over the past few months, more than 250,000 small and medium-sized businesses have closed. This is a colossal figure that reflects the real state of affairs. Tax revenues have decreased.

Banks receive subsidies from the budget because they simply don't have enough of their own funds.

Every week, the issuance of more than 4 trillion rubles is accelerating inflation.

No amount of oil or gas can change this situation. Therefore, the decision was made to implement a strict budget cut, which will impact the entire economy.

There's no need to harbor any illusions. The country is on the brink of financial collapse.

I agree that no country can maintain a stable economy while bogged down in a protracted war, no matter how large their resource base. The weakening of the Russian economy is real, and it is inevitable. But saying that Russia is on the brink of economic collapse is something I'm skeptical of

As long as they can continue exporting oil, natural gas and other resources, and there are still many countries willing to do business with them. It is too early to talk about their economic collapse

The war in Ukraine is a war of attrition that has inflicted serious losses on both the EU, Russia, and Ukraine. If the Russian economy is gradually collapsing despite its abundant oil and natural resources, how will the EU and Ukraine cope with the situation?

[katanic97]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

None of us can know for sure how long this war can continue. In my opinion, it's already crazy that it has lasted this long.I find it very hard to believe that Russia could suffer an economic collapse. Even if the economic effects and losses are being felt, i don't think the situation can deteriorate dramatically from here. Russia is simply too powerful a country to allow itself to face economic ruin

[arwin100]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?
 
That becomes a battle of; demographics, technology, energy markets, political stability and sanction resilience.

What we're seeing Russia double on is that they can survive economically for years, yet concerns remain that the economy after the war will be characterized by; less innovation, increased isolation and a high dependence in China.

That's where economic analyst argue that the real economic loss may already be happening!

None of us can know for sure how long this war can continue. In my opinion, it's already crazy that it has lasted this long.I find it very hard to believe that Russia could suffer an economic collapse. Even if the economic effects and losses are being felt, i don't think the situation can deteriorate dramatically from here. Russia is simply too powerful a country to allow itself to face economic ruin

Only those officials involve provably know on when they end up their egoistic attacks to each other. That's why what we can only do is to speculate and read the latest news about their conflicts.

But I also believe that even if Russia is have strong economy, still they are suffering badly on sanctions and isolation's they currently experiencing now. Maybe we don't see those effect or maybe they hide it to avoid losing their influence but if this situation will last long. Maybe Russia's economy might badly got affected with those economic sanctions because this situation can make their economic growth became so slow.

[ingiltere]

I think this war has dragged on longer than necessary. If things continue this way, both sides will suffer even greater economic losses. According to a report on the BBC last week, half a million Russian soldiers have died since the war began. That's a very serious figure, even if the actual numbers were only half that, it would still be extremely high. There have been significant losses on the Ukrainian side as well.
Russia's economy is massive but an unresolved war is hurting them. I think they're aware of this situation and are also looking for an exit strategy. I don't think this war will continues two more years.

[Ayers]

I don't think this war will continues two more years.

It is difficult to know when this war will end. As I recall, Western media once claimed Russia would not be able to sustain this war beyond 3 or 6 month. Or expert made similar prediction, saying Russia could not keep the war going much longer because its economy was collapsing. But as we can all see, the war has entered its fifth year.

Personally, I do not support war either, but honestly, I do not see it ending anytime soon. As long as politicians have not achieved their goals, they will not end the war, no matter how much worse the lives of people in both countries or around the world become.

[Marvelockg]

Many economic analysts are asking this very question; can Russia sustain the war longer than the West can sustain support for Ukraine?

Should we get to a point where we consider it a thing of pride that we're able to sustain war for a long time when people are dieing in the process and all we care about is our show of strength in keeping at fighting one another?

At some point, we have to asked the question, what's the purpose of this war and why should it continue this long? The direct effect of the war tells on Ukraine every day and Russia isn't spared as well. When they eventually stop, the effect of the war will continue to hunt generations yet to be bornd. If you're living from from the scene of the war and go off major news channels for a while you will almost assume the war long ended but unfortunately for a show of popularity and the fact that some countries are sponsoring this war, it has managed to last this long and that's extremely bad.

[Fiatless]

Only those officials involve provably know on when they end up their egoistic attacks to each other. That's why what we can only do is to speculate and read the latest news about their conflicts.

But I also believe that even if Russia is have strong economy, still they are suffering badly on sanctions and isolation's they currently experiencing now. Maybe we don't see those effect or maybe they hide it to avoid losing their influence but if this situation will last long. Maybe Russia's economy might badly got affected with those economic sanctions because this situation can make their economic growth became so slow.

I am sure that the powers behind this war didn't expect that the war would last this long. Russia thought they could overrun Ukraine within a short time and NATO also believed that Russia would not be able to sustain the war for a very long time. Both parties are wrong because Ukraine through the support of its allies, is still fighting. And Russia has been able to build a sanction-proof economy that can finance the war as long as it lasts. When I go back to read the predictions of some Western media about how the Russian economy will collapse, I  see it as proof that they underestimated the Russian economy.