The computer/ phone sees every thing on its screen

[Shadix1990]

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

[Chibit01]

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

That's why we have airgap option, if you are too afraid the device you are using is going to see your seed phrase get a hardware wallet (which is not completely recommended since you will later connect it to the internet) or change one of your old device to an offline wallet, wipe it out by formatting and never connect it to the internet again.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

What kind of question is that???
All os's 'see' everything you input. That's um, kinda how they work....

What happens from there all depends on how good YOUR opsec is.

[NeuroticFish]

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

They DO SEE all that. The problem is whether they send that information towards others' eyes or not. Normally they don't (maybe unless you have auto-completion on).
That's why you have to generate and store the seed always offline, that's why you have to keep any meaningful funds on cold storage (i.e. on computer that never touches internet) or hardware wallet.
That's one important "small bit" many are missing until they notice their funds got stolen and then blame the wallet (the other "small bit" is that the coins are never inside the wallet, hence a seed can recover any number of copies of the wallet).

[Shadix1990]

I mean by that
Who does guarantee that Microsoft , apple, google.. don't steal our secret phrases???

[sunsilk]

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

That's why never save your keys or recovery phrases on any devices.

Writing it on that card board or tough paper might be traditional but that's wiser than of those.

And it's not only these operating systems that usually see what we do but the apps that we use. Remember that 'agree' before using them?

[Hazink]

I mean by that
Who does guarantee that Microsoft , apple, google.. don't steal our secret phrases???

We can't really tell. At some point. You just have to be extra careful, trust them blindly and hope they don't have extra access to what they shouldn't, and avoid not using private OS or any software. It's one way to be safe and don't give room to hackers indirectly and when you get hit you blame it on the OS company.

[Ambatman]

I mean by that
Who does guarantee that Microsoft , apple, google.. don't steal our secret phrases???

You know there are times I have explained things that look like a coincidence
But the chance of it happening are rare
For example today, I was listening to a song Empire of the sun We are the people.
And I came across a post online about the song.

Not the first time something similar has happened so I'm quite paranoid with saving certain datas.
Or inputting certain information on places that requires internet access.

[noorman0]

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

If that were true, they would be monitoring you when you create a new wallet and send its information over the internet. There are several tips for creating an airgapped wallet, the most popular of which involves using TailsOS. This is a separate tip from how to securely store seedphrases.

[Stalker22]

I mean by that
Who does guarantee that Microsoft , apple, google.. don't steal our secret phrases???

No one can guarantee you that.  In fact, this is exactly why software wallets (hot wallets) on your phone or PC are fundamentally insecure for storing large amounts of crypto.

If you want an actual guarantee, you have to use an airgapped hardware wallet or some other completely offline storage method option.

[Alphakilo]

I mean by that
Who does guarantee that Microsoft , apple, google.. don't steal our secret phrases???

No one can guarantee you that.  In fact, this is exactly why software wallets (hot wallets) on your phone or PC are fundamentally insecure for storing large amounts of crypto.

If you want an actual guarantee, you have to use an airgapped hardware wallet or some other completely offline storage method option.

With what the topic of this post implies, it's safe to see meaning in it and make the assumption that something could be collating data or watching your movements and this prompt the need for better security measures to protect long term capital using offline storage packs like the airgapped wallet and other devices that breaks certain accessible features to everything you do with your online devices.

[macson]

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

So, why do you think those operating systems display the seed phrase on your smartphone screen? That's because they can read that information and then render it on your device's screen.

That's why you need to ensure the security of the device you're using, so that sensitive information isn't exposed to others. Therefore, air-gapped wallets are more recommended for storing your Bitcoin because they operate offline, reducing the chance of your seed phrase being leaked.

[Marykeller]

I mean by that
Who does guarantee that Microsoft , apple, google.. don't steal our secret phrases???

Steal it and send it to whom? When if that should be done, it needs a "command(send)'' to permit such action. And such action orchestrated by you not the gadget you have at hand. As we have had it done this way, type and enter the send, not the gadget to do that by itself as a robot.

[PrivacyG]

If you are using Windows, it may be time to stop.  Recall does particularly what you are concerned about.  I am not sure yet whether the screenshots it takes have any link to the internet but I am very sure these will be stored SOME WHERE, 'encrypted'.

So in the future maybe you could ask Copilot to bring up the Seed you deleted by accident!  Microsoft for the win!  We all win!  By deleting Windows and moving away to Linux of course!

[X-ray]

Windows sees it through feature called Recall like mentioned by PrivacyG where it snapshot your PC like literally, they stored your snapshot in an on-device NPU and do processing locally but who can guarantee if they don't do something else?

Moreover, an AI installed on your PC to control your PC might have seen it all, they can easily access your filesystem. Using desktop or mobile wallet is fundamentally less secure compared to hardware wallet that can initialize wallet on its own without connecting to external PC.

[yhiaali3]

No one can guarantee that Microsoft, Apple, and Google... will not steal our secret phrases. We are only forced to blindly trust and believe that they will not steal them. The only thing that can be said is that they are capable of stealing them, but they will not risk their reputation.

If you do not trust operating systems, the only solution is to not create the seed on any device connected to the Internet and to create the seed on a hardware wallet, using software wallets only as an interface and not as a seed generator.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Windows sees it through feature called Recall like mentioned by PrivacyG where it snapshot your PC like literally, they stored your snapshot in an on-device NPU and do processing locally but who can guarantee if they don't do something else?

Moreover, an AI installed on your PC to control your PC might have seen it all, they can easily access your filesystem. Using desktop or mobile wallet is fundamentally less secure compared to hardware wallet that can initialize wallet on its own without connecting to external PC.

As I said in my first post - a persons opsec controls what can be leaked. In the case of windoze, disable and as much as possible remove Copilot and AI helpers. For browsers at least disable all auto fill and auto correct functions as they send data to external servers to do their thing.

There are tons of posts/vids on the internet regarding how to harden your phone & pc's. Do a search and learn.

[Ucy]

Well, Bitcoin does not require internet or electronic devices to generate seed/secret phrases. You can generate them entirely offline, by hand, without ever using devices like computer, laptop, phone, hardware wallet, etc.
You could generate the secret phrases by rolling a physical dice or flipping a coin many times, then follow some processes to finally convert the side of the dice/coin to Bitcoin secret phrases. After converting to secret phrases, you can go through some process to generate a public keys from the secret phrases and use that to access your bitcoin address online.
This are all achieved without the internet .

The seedphrase generation can be completely done by hand, without using computer, phone, hardware wallet or any device atall.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

Except any of this devices is infected with a virus or malware, I do not think there is any way those behind this operating systems can view or see our seed phrase or private keys to our wallet, I can't bring my mind to imagine the possibility of those behind this operating systems being able to view the screen of our device or data stored on it without a malware or virus infecting the device..

What if windows, android, ios and other operating systems could see the secret phrase when we create a non custodial wallet?

That's why we have airgap option, if you are too afraid the device you are using is going to see your seed phrase get a hardware wallet (which is not completely recommended since you will later connect it to the internet) or change one of your old device to an offline wallet, wipe it out by formatting and never connect it to the internet again.

I know about this method but my question has always been what if they user at some point in time decided he want to move some of this coins to another wallet or maybe he wants to sell, will he not still connect the same device or wallet to the Internet to enable him move the bitcoins?

[hd49728]

Well, Bitcoin does not require internet or electronic devices to generate seed/secret phrases. You can generate them entirely offline, by hand, without ever using devices like computer, laptop, phone, hardware wallet, etc.

It's not only like you can generate your wallet offline, but for security, it's recommended to create your wallet offline, and if possible, store your wallets and wallet backups offline too.

It's because online has more threats that can compromise your devices, steal your wallet mnemonic seed or private keys, and steal your bitcoin.

If possible, use an airgapped device for storing your wallet. Cold wallets are very good and safe for storing your bitcoin a long time.
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