Reference for flag on Rating Place

[nutildah]

Why is it so difficult for you to just paste the links here so everyone can read them for themselves, instead of having to take your word about what happened? You clearly have them in a spreadsheet right there. Can you please sort them by thread number and paste them here?

This thread isn't about Holydarkness and its not about Shuffle. Its about you tricking newbies into thinking you know what you're talking about. You clearly don't, and you're terrible at this.

[holydarkness]

In order not to derail the thread, this is my only comment about me v. shuffle, that I explain in-depth to thwart Rating Place's attempt to deflect through yet another old trick of him of smoke and mirror.

I will not engage in any reply regarding this post unless extremely needed, and will only talk about the issue raised by nutildah on this thread

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The clearest example is that he relied on evidence supplied privately by Shuffle:
[...]
That comparison matters because it raises a fair question: why did Shuffle engage differently in another case, but in this case the player was left with $30,000 withheld while the public evidence did not prove match fixing?

Despite the public evidence failing to prove Shuffle’s original match-fixing accusation, holydarkness continued adding new accusations against the player.

He then withdrew from the binding arbitration he originally offered. The arbitration agreement was written in a restrictive way that locked the player in and limited their options for seeking resolution elsewhere. Once the evidence supported the player, he walked away — leaving the $30k still withheld.

That is why I say his conduct showed bias toward Shuffle.

Now now, don't try to pull that word twisting trick again.

First, I have to review evidence by shuffle [and other casinos, really] in private because they only allow it to be for-my-eyes-only because it contain proprietary data and technology that can't be shown to public to prevent abuse. Every overseers with enough IQ understand this.

Second, I "remove" myself from that case is the perfect example of why nutildah created this thread and people who doubted the opening post and RP's detrimental behavior can just read that 16 pages long of thread, where RP derailed cases numerous times, either by [1] insisting it's match-fixing and thus there were no case against OP because OP did not do match-fixing although it's been repetitively informed to you that it's not a match fixing case, [2] insisting that I invent a word "integrity betting" that was nonexistent, although I've explained very clearly that the root of OP's case was it is the integrity of his account during the said bets were the ones being questioned, and [3] I backed down because the two above plus RP keep discouraging player to engage with me, while all I do is to get better understanding from both sides, hence I back down to give the spotlight to RP:

The sportsbook has the OP bet history. Don’t ever do binding arbitration again. It’s absurd what you are doing.

Hhhhhhh...

Hey, you know what? Surprise...

OP, pvzera1, my deepest apology but I hereby unbind myself from the mediation and would like to nominate Rating Place as the one who will draw conclusion that will be used as verdict to this case.

Rating Place, time and place are given, please exercise your power, knowledge, and connection to gather information and draw conclusion. A friendly reminder: all eyes on the SA is on you and what you decide and what you say now.

And... RP's first call when he get that "power"? After some back and forth because he realized he's in deep shit now that all eyes on him? It's not asking both parties to get the truth, it's....

Since holy is out, flag time? The match wasn’t fixed and the play came from one device.

Is this not a very gross abuse of flag from someone who try to mediate after One is out? Peer-pressure, that's his notorious way to "get winning", not asking for truth from both parties, it's peer pressuring, either by flag or twisting narrative that overseers got confused and begin supporting his own narrative. And worse? He's proud of his technique or "peer pressuring".

That, and smear campaign, butchering words and twisting statements just like nutildah showed above. I don't want to bring my own negative experience with him where he twisted GoT's statement into mine, and took handful of posts and two DTs to inform him to get him to admit and only then he apologized to the DTs, not to me, the one whose name being tainted by his smear campaign.

As such, I do not forgave his act of deception and word twisting and reputation smearing, and I am not made whole because of his statements. My own flag on him - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3530
[please ignore the 1,560,000, I just use that interstellar number to make him stop and begin to DYOR about turnkey method, which rendered useless as his skull --one said-- made of carbon fiber]

[Rating Place]

Why is it so difficult for you to just paste the links here so everyone can read them for themselves, instead of having to take your word about what happened? You clearly have them in a spreadsheet right there. Can you please sort them by thread number and paste them here?

This thread isn't about Holydarkness and its not about Shuffle. Its about you tricking newbies into thinking you know what you're talking about. You clearly don't, and you're terrible at this.

This is the problem. You post complete nonsense. Neither of you know the first thing about sports gambling. Look at your posts. You added nothing. This is one thread. You've trolled me for a year. Show me in the Shuffle thread what I said is wrong? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.0

Nutildah


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.msg66728899#msg66728899
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.msg66728876#msg66728876
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.msg66728862#msg66728862
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.msg66728853#msg66728853
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.msg66728842#msg66728842
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.msg66727559#msg66727559

holy thinks the book is the middleman and doesn't control anything. He says warning flags are proof of arbitrage and a multitude of other things that are incorrect. holy may be great with casino problems but not sports. Here's what people said for XYes

Everytime it's holy's eyes only, he rules for the book. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5545943.80

woodie

Here we go again... lets call a spade a spade, the arb card is being misused alot these day's because they know evidence is for their eyes only !!

ziportan

the thing is , holydarkness is prone to believe anything that the casinos say -although they are OBVIOUS lies- than the players claims which are supported by actual evidences..

darstall

well as one of the players said, this character holydarkness is not here to help players, but to continue to blame players, and he uses bet amounts as an argument, not real evidence.

flexie80

f you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself?

ziportan

You keep saying that but you are the one that keeps confusing. You keep letting casinos or the casino reps here confuse you all the time.

flexie80

My purpose is not to sling mud at you, my purpose is to teach you a bit of how sportsbetting works. Because from reading your posts I can see you don't know much yet. You probably dealt mostly with casino related cases. I am not saying you are a bad person but I'm saying you judgement is clouded by a lack of understanding of the sportsbetting business.

[holydarkness]

This is the problem. You post complete nonsense. Neither of you know the first thing about sports gambling. Look at your posts. You added nothing. This is one thread. You've trolled me for a year. Show me in the Shuffle thread what I said is wrong? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.0

Match fixing. You insist over and over and over that the case is match fixing and thus invalid because bla bla bla, while it's been explained in abundance that the accusation is completely different than that, it's the integrity of the account and the bets made.

In fact, it was only after we brought it to private conversation, away from your derailment and persistent "no match fixing" that discussion can be done thoroughly and we conclude the case.

[Rating Place]

This is the problem. You post complete nonsense. Neither of you know the first thing about sports gambling. Look at your posts. You added nothing. This is one thread. You've trolled me for a year. Show me in the Shuffle thread what I said is wrong? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.0

Match fixing. You insist over and over and over that the case is match fixing and thus invalid because bla bla bla, while it's been explained in abundance that the accusation is completely different than that, it's the integrity of the account and the bets made.

In fact, it was only after we brought it to private conversation, away from your derailment and persistent "no match fixing" that discussion can be done thoroughly and we conclude the case.

The player was accused of match fixing. The player was innocent of match fixing so you went off on your own looking for something else. You do this all the time in sports betting cases. That's why your cases take months. You keep trying to find something. Stick to the accusation and make the book prove it. It'll take less than a week.

It's the integrity of the game. The rules say "result integrity is in doubt". It must be played fair. There's no such thing as "Integrity Betting" like you call it. That's why you have problems. You make up rules.

[notblox1]

I am showing my support for the flag because I had negative experience with Rat guy in the past.
After I saw how he is manipulating things I decided to ignore him forever and save myself a lot of time.
He is a lost case and you should not trust anything coming from him.

[Rating Place]

In this case, holydarkness is the only one supporting BetFury. The case is now in court.

BetFury Cancels $300,000 Worth of Bets

Main Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5543716.0

Case Summary:
This dispute concerns a series of 4-leg combo (parlay) bets placed by the player dplay, totaling $100,000 in wagers on the Betfury sportsbook platform. At the time of Betfury’s cancellation, several legs on multiple tickets had already been settled and won. Despite this, Betfury voided all wagers, including those containing finalized, winning legs.

Initially, Betfury returned the $100,000 and offered the player an additional $100,000 bonus with an unspecified rollover requirement. Betfury acknowledged a $330,000 cashout value prior to the cancellations. However, Betfury later reduced its offer to approximately 50% of that value.

Core Issue: Holydarkness accepted BetFury’s (and their provider’s) position that the void was justified under their ToS. Several other posters strongly argued that the player should be paid in full or at least receive the cash-out/win value. The dispute remains unresolved as of mid-2026.

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Holydarkness – Backing BetFury’s Position

Author: holydarkness  
Link: Post

“and I regret to inform you that based from the information they provided, not only they have that right, from 6.1., but also further emphasized with an enough reason to void [so the call was not done baselessly or out of grudge or other malicious intent] as per 6.4.3., unfair practice, which was flagged by their provider.”

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Posters Supporting the Player / Pushing Back Against BetFury

Author: Ahoybrause  
Link: Post

“It's a clear cut case. Even when of course they are protected by their TOS, it is unfair and unethical to just cancel wrong bet. What example does this case make? Players must hope for their bets to win and then again hope that they get paid out in a fair manner? That's crazy. At some point I honestly believe it is fair to consider a flag.”

Author: levsk17  
Link: Post

“It's time to hire a lawyer.  
The judges' decision implies the belief that:  
1 – The cancellation of the bet was an abuse  
2– Risks should be divided between the bookmaker and the bettor  
3 – Bookmakers cannot make unilateral decisions regarding the application of their rules  
4– If there was an error on the bookmaker's part, it cannot be passed on to the user...”

Author: Marshlyn20  
Link: Post

“They claim that OP is "abuser" based on most popular markets winnings? can't be true lmao”

Author: DGUDGUDGU  
Link: Post

“Checked in again since my first page post 5 months ago, firstly sorry OP that you've still not received your deserved $.  
It's insane reading this thread and seeing people not instantly side against the casino, but not surprised to see holydarkness being a moron as per usual.”

Author: leo996  
Post #: #179  
Link: Post

“Hi, first of all @dplay I hope you will recover you're winings. Also I think such matters with such amounts should be sticked to first page till it get resolved.”

[nutildah]

Show me in the Shuffle thread what I said is wrong? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.0

OK. That is a fair request. Here you go:

holy- the reason that I post aggressively towards you and no one else is out of pure disbelief on how unfair you are to players and that real money is involved.

Holy is the fairest person here working toward solving any casino issues. You are not working toward anything except undermining his position. You're attempting to make him less credible in the eyes of the complainant.

A normal arbiter looks at the accusation, that's it. You throw your own terms in there to deceive the player. Then you try to find other things wrong when all you have to do is read the report.

There is nothing normal about what we're doing here. This isn't a normal place, and you can't apply normal rules to it. You're just unnecessarily shitting on HD. You could go about suggesting improvements in a much more tactful manner but you insist that everything be done your way. I think your animosity toward him stems from jealousy.

[Vod]

This isn't a normal place, and you can't apply normal rules to it.

Now WTF does that mean?   What rules apply to this place - yours?

I am watching this flag and have not yet made my final decision on it.   But asking people to change the way they trust in certain places is SAF (shady).   :/

[dragonvslinux]

I am watching this flag and have not yet made my final decision on it

You already opposed it 

https://bpip.org/flag.aspx?id=3540

[Rating Place]

Show me in the Shuffle thread what I said is wrong? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579655.0

OK. That is a fair request. Here you go:

holy- the reason that I post aggressively towards you and no one else is out of pure disbelief on how unfair you are to players and that real money is involved.

Holy is the fairest person here working toward solving any casino issues. You are not working toward anything except undermining his position. You're attempting to make him less credible in the eyes of the complainant.

A normal arbiter looks at the accusation, that's it. You throw your own terms in there to deceive the player. Then you try to find other things wrong when all you have to do is read the report.

There is nothing normal about what we're doing here. This isn't a normal place, and you can't apply normal rules to it. You're just unnecessarily shitting on HD. You could go about suggesting improvements in a much more tactful manner but you insist that everything be done your way. I think your animosity toward him stems from jealousy.

This is a complete lie. I wait 3 weeks and if holy takes the books side of an innocent player, then I take the players side. Neither of you understand sports betting. I don't know why you jump in with low quality posts. Again people say this about holydarkeness' sports book knowledge and how he takes the book's side. You are right, what you are doing is completely wrong. You should look at the accusation and make the book prove it. That's all you have to do.

Everytime it's holy's eyes only, he rules for the book.
woodie

Here we go again... lets call a spade a spade, the arb card is being misused alot these day's because they know evidence is for their eyes only !!

ziportan

the thing is , holydarkness is prone to believe anything that the casinos say -although they are OBVIOUS lies- than the players claims which are supported by actual evidences..

darstall

well as one of the players said, this character holydarkness is not here to help players, but to continue to blame players, and he uses bet amounts as an argument, not real evidence.

flexie80

f you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself?

ziportan

You keep saying that but you are the one that keeps confusing. You keep letting casinos or the casino reps here confuse you all the time.

flexie80

My purpose is not to sling mud at you, my purpose is to teach you a bit of how sportsbetting works. Because from reading your posts I can see you don't know much yet. You probably dealt mostly with casino related cases. I am not saying you are a bad person but I'm saying you judgement is clouded by a lack of understanding of the sportsbetting business.

I didn't forget about you. I'm having AI help out with the spreadshhet.

[holydarkness]

[...]

Know that the thread is not exclusively about me. nutildah break several points of why you're perceived as detrimental to the SA progress, and many supported the flag and now active, a testament that they feel the same.

Just like other thread where you want neg to be removed, explain why the clauses wasn't true instead of obsessing about me and what nutildah said. You've just once again prove that the flag is deserved, as your action can be perceived as an attempt to self-derail this thread, lacking the ability to reason [which I think also include a sub-category of "explaining situation from your POV"] and are not owning your words [that, by the way, is the essence of the fourth paragraph, in case the words are too difficult for you].

So, yeah, you want that flag removed, address those points in the opening post instead of keep attacking me and nuti, as it only strengthen every aspect OP raised in his intro.

[Rating Place]

[...]

Know that the thread is not exclusively about me. nutildah break several points of why you're perceived as detrimental to the SA progress, and many supported the flag and now active, a testament that they feel the same.

Just like other thread where you want neg to be removed, explain why the clauses wasn't true instead of obsessing about me and what nutildah said. You've just once again prove that the flag is deserved, as your action can be perceived as an attempt to self-derail this thread, lacking the ability to reason [which I think also include a sub-category of "explaining situation from your POV"] and are not owning your words [that, by the way, is the essence of the fourth paragraph, in case the words are too difficult for you].

So, yeah, you want that flag removed, address those points in the opening post instead of keep attacking me and nuti, as it only strengthen every aspect OP raised in his intro.

It’s about you and Nutildah. You two ran a smear campaign for months with negative trust and flags and people heard it so much they believed it.

You made a guy with 10 merits a DT so negative trust would show on my account. You created a flag saying that I backed out of a contract that I hadn’t seen. You admitted that you changed the terms, posted a new contract and said it was binding.

You and Nutildah were the only ones to agree with the first negative trust.

[holydarkness]

It’s about you and Nutildah. You two ran a smear campaign for months with negative trust and flags and people heard it so much they believed it.

You inferred that I collaborate with nutildah, perhaps over morning coffee, discussing, "what button shall we press on RP today to get him blabbering words?" Rest assured that it is not what happened. nutildah doesn't work side by side to smear you. If he does, he'll already support my flag. You see him supporting my flag? If any, it is you who run smear campaign in either of us.

You made a guy with 10 merits a DT so negative trust would show on my account.

Of which I remove immediately upon other's advice, and I'll defend that I wanted to observe that user's judgment, and that inclusion was supposed to be on one month basis.

You created a flag saying that I backed out of a contract that I hadn’t seen. You admitted that you changed the terms, posted a new contract and said it was binding.

You hadn't seen yet you agreed? You typed a response without really reading and understanding what it means? It only emphasize nutildah's point that you type without thinking, that you seem completely unencumbered by any kind of social responsibility. Or was it the lies part?

And yes, I admit that I change the terms, the original terms was that I can show you that betby indeed send their flag to XYes, remember? That's the original agreement. I show the rest of the public the flag sent by Betby, and then I am 1,560,000 USD richer. Terms is then changed to that insane number as intention to stop you for a second and get you to read. One attempt that seemingly failed as you act before you read.

Still, it is binding by "I take the bait"

One thing that is true and coming from the purest of my heart though, you smear my name and twist words by claiming other's statement as mine, as well as other name calling and libels. And in no occasion you ever apologize to me. Not when you admit that you "misquote" nor in other chance when you said I am a liar, that tainted my reputation as well as heavily derails every resolution attempt in SA board.

Last, as I said, I will only bring that once as it is OOT. My post above and after that was to inform you that the best way to get people to retract their support is to prove that it is not true. Yet here we stand with you digging further and further down the rabbit hole. So... overseers and, notblox1 and dragonvslinux, mind to support my own flag -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3530 -- under basis that I did not forgive Rating Place's act of libel against me and I am not made whole under his barrage of lies and other detrimental behavior observable throughout the entire SA that I oversee?

[Rating Place]

I never posted a reply to the new contract where you changed the terms. I never agreed to the first one.

Saying I took the bait referred to getting caught in another long debate with you. You are a very dishonest person. You created a flag for a contract that said I had to escrow $1.5m and you had to escrow $0. No one agrees to that but you put up a false flag.

Theymos opposed your false flag.

[holydarkness]

I never posted a reply to the new contract where you changed the terms. I never agreed to the first one.

Saying I took the bait referred to getting caught in another long debate with you. You are a very dishonest person. You created a flag for a contract that said I had to escrow $1.5m and you had to escrow $0. No one agrees to that but you put up a false flag.

Theymos opposed your false flag.

Then I'll withdraw, in respect to theymos. One thing to note and for the record is that I am still not forgiving your act and your smear campaign doesn't make me whole.

[Rating Place]

I never posted a reply to the new contract where you changed the terms. I never agreed to the first one.

Saying I took the bait referred to getting caught in another long debate with you. You are a very dishonest person. You created a flag for a contract that said I had to escrow $1.5m and you had to escrow $0. No one agrees to that but you put up a false flag.

Theymos opposed your false flag.

Then I'll withdraw, in respect to theymos. One thing to note and for the record is that I am still not forgiving your act and your smear campaign doesn't make me whole.

There is no smear campaign against you. I wait 3 weeks and if I think you are taking the side of a sportsbook against an innocent person, I back the player.

Casino cases are easy and you may do a good job. Sports cases are complicated and you believe everything the book says costing players money. Just look at the quotes from sports gamblers. It’s fine that you don’t understand it but it’s wrong for you to keep recommending that the books have a right to steal money.

Look at the book’s accusation, tell them to prove it. Instead you ask players to send videos and run around their house asking relatives if they played from an account that had nothing to do with multi-accounting or the book’s accusations.

[nutildah]

That matters because the evidence came from Shuffle. The rest of the forum could not fully examine it. Yet holydarkness still used that private evidence to suggest Shuffle’s position was stronger.

Not only is this standard procedure but its what was agreed to by the complainant. As soon as the complainant agreed to let the case be mediated by HD, you should have excused yourself from the thread out of courtesy for the process.

There are several other members with better reputations than yours who were basically saying the same thing you were, except they said it before you did (you've even quoted them I see). After being ignored by OP and HD, you started taking stabs at HD, which nobody else in the thread was doing.

He then withdrew from the binding arbitration he originally offered. The arbitration agreement was written in a restrictive way that locked the player in and limited their options for seeking resolution elsewhere. Once the evidence supported the player, he walked away — leaving the $30k still withheld.

You left out the part where he managed to finish mediation in spite of your constant interference and ruled in favor of the player, who has since already received their compensation. You literally could not shut up in that thread, even though you acknowledged Shuffle doesn't want to work with you (and why would they, you do nothing but shit on them).

How is that not harassment? Nobody asked for your opinion one time yet you have almost 20 more posts than the OP themselves in that thread:

1. Rating Place: 83 posts
2. pvzera1: 66 posts
3. holydarkness: 64 posts
4. baba2020: 29 posts
5. rohang: 19 posts
6. nutildah: 13 posts
7. T1HGO: 10 posts
8. Mahdirakib: 5 posts
9. Pmalek: 4 posts
10. degen01: 4 posts

[Rating Place]

That matters because the evidence came from Shuffle. The rest of the forum could not fully examine it. Yet holydarkness still used that private evidence to suggest Shuffle’s position was stronger.

Not only is this standard procedure but its what was agreed to by the complainant. As soon as the complainant agreed to let the case be mediated by HD, you should have excused yourself from the thread out of courtesy for the process.

There are several other members with better reputations than yours who were basically saying the same thing you were, except they said it before you did (you've even quoted them I see). After being ignored by OP and HD, you started taking stabs at HD, which nobody else in the thread was doing.

He then withdrew from the binding arbitration he originally offered. The arbitration agreement was written in a restrictive way that locked the player in and limited their options for seeking resolution elsewhere. Once the evidence supported the player, he walked away — leaving the $30k still withheld.

You left out the part where he managed to finish mediation in spite of your constant interference and ruled in favor of the player, who has since already received their compensation. You literally could not shut up in that thread, even though you acknowledged Shuffle doesn't want to work with you (and why would they, you do nothing but shit on them).

How is that not harassment? Nobody asked for your opinion one time yet you have almost 20 more posts than the OP themselves in that thread:

1. Rating Place: 83 posts
2. pvzera1: 66 posts
3. holydarkness: 64 posts
4. baba2020: 29 posts
5. rohang: 19 posts
6. nutildah: 13 posts
7. T1HGO: 10 posts
8. Mahdirakib: 5 posts
9. Pmalek: 4 posts
10. degen01: 4 posts

That’s a great example. Holy wanted to rule for Shuffle. We showed holy he was wrong. Holy dropped out of the case. When I posted the AI version showing that everyone was against him, he jumped back in and the player was paid.

That’s what it takes to get players paid and you trolled me the whole thread. The same happened with many others. No one gets paid winnings until this week unless holy is pressured for the last 2 years.

I showed the evidence of game play and box score. The player asked me by PM to stay on the case and keep posting his points on why he should be paid.

That’s where the player was accused of match fixing and holy went off on his own forcing the player to send a video and more. He does this trying to find something outside the allegation.
 

• Shuffle made a serious accusation.
• Shuffle provided private evidence to holydarkness.
• holydarkness treated that private evidence as meaningful.
• The public evidence did not prove match fixing.
• Multiple posters said the player looked innocent of the public accusation.
• The player submitted the requested proof.
• Other members noticed that holydarkness then vanished from the process.
• holydarkness moved to other accusations instead of accepting that the original public claim failed.
• When the case no longer favored Shuffle, he backed out of the arbitration process.

[nutildah]

That’s a great example. Holy wanted to rule for Shuffle. We showed holy he was wrong. Holy dropped out of the case. When I posted the AI version showing that everyone was against him, he jumped back in and the player was paid.

That’s what it takes to get players paid and you trolled me the whole thread. The same happened with many others. No one gets paid winnings until this week unless holy is pressured for the last 2 years.

The amount of ego you have is unbelievable. You did not influence the outcome in any way except to delay it. You had no influence because nobody respects your opinion, yet you keep offering it. There were other rational, non-combative posters in the thread that were basically saying the same thing you were before you said it. They went about engaging the thread in a fair and respectful manner and you did not.

Your first post in the thread was on April 29th. On May 1st you started criticizing HD. He ignored you, so you kept at it:

holy- the reason that I post aggressively towards you and no one else is out of pure disbelief on how unfair you are to players and that real money is involved.

Nobody asked for him opinion, he is simply casting doubt on HD for no apparent reason other than spite and/or jealousy. I am not saying HD is perfect, nobody is, but if Rating Place was any good at being an arbitrator, he would already be doing it instead of attacking HD full-time. Its not an official forum position. Anybody can do it. You just have to be able to exhibit the necessary skills if you want to be successful at it.