CryptoYar - Merit Source Application

[CryptoYar]

How about, instead of writing long-winded paragraphs, you answer the main question specifically?

Long-winded paragraphs? What exactly did you want me to answer?

I simply said that if your criterion is "members sharing merits within the same community," then you should also add all the active members of the Pakistan community to your list.

Was that really a long-winded paragraph, or is it just an answer you do not like?

Or were you expecting me to agree that they're all my alts? What answer would actually satisfy you?

The administrators of another forum, who check IP addresses, state categorically that the accounts on the list are your alts. There are accounts with the same name on this forum too, such as Publictalk792, to whom you have also sent merits on this forum.

It’s too much of a coincidence, and in cases like this, the simplest explanation is usually the right one.

So you think all of these are my alt???

speeder
Meliodas
Leahized
AIRWAYS
Sosruko
Lazy
Publictalk792  <---- merit shared because same Pakistan board
Rustam Meraj  <---- merit shared because same Pakistan board

I have no idea about the other accounts.

If they have evidence such as matching IP logs, then what more evidence is needed? Why haven't all of those accounts been tagged yet? or you think ATT admins are my alts too?

However, if frequently sharing merits is enough to conclude that accounts are alts, then wouldn't the same logic apply here?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1107222

Filicius ⇄ Don Pedro Dinero (21 + 10 merit transactions)
danadc ⇄ Don Pedro Dinero (62 + 12 merit transactions)
famososMuertos ⇄ Don Pedro Dinero (83 + 6 merit transactions)

By your own standard, I could just as easily suspect these are your alt accounts because you have exchanged merits with them so many times.

Of course, I do not actually know whether they are your alts, and I am not claiming they are. I simply counted the number of merit transactions. My point is that repeatedly exchanging merits, by itself, is not evidence that accounts are controlled by the same person.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

How about, instead of writing long-winded paragraphs, you answer the main question specifically?

Long-winded paragraphs? What exactly did you want me to answer?

I simply said that if your criterion is "members sharing merits within the same community," then you should also add all the active members of the Pakistan community to your list.

Nice try. But you are clearly lying. Instead of putting those words in quotation marks, please quote where I actually said that.

If they have evidence such as matching IP logs, then what more evidence is needed?

Not much more.

Why haven't all of those accounts been tagged yet?

IDK how things work on the other forum.

or you think ATT admins are my alts too?

Nice strawman argument but no, you are not getting away with this one either.

However, if frequently sharing merits is enough to conclude that accounts are alts, then wouldn't the same logic apply here?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1107222

Filicius ⇄ Don Pedro Dinero (21 + 10 merit transactions)
danadc ⇄ Don Pedro Dinero (62 + 12 merit transactions)
famososMuertos ⇄ Don Pedro Dinero (83 + 6 merit transactions)

By your own standard, I could just as easily suspect these are your alt accounts because you have exchanged merits with them so many times.

Of course, I do not actually know whether they are your alts, and I am not claiming they are. I simply counted the number of merit transactions. My point is that repeatedly exchanging merits, by itself, is not evidence that accounts are controlled by the same person.

You are not going to get away with strawman arguments like the bolded part. danadc and famososMuertos live thousands of miles away from where I am. Filicius might be closer but maybe hundreds of miles so our IPs are going to be different. You are not going to find a forum administrator saying that we are alts because we share on the same IP.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I already explained this in my previous post in the same thread, if you cared to read it.

It is actually the other way around. I applied to become a Merit Source because I ran out of sMerits after distributing them during the Pizza Contest. That is what made me think about applying.

Your explanation didn’t make sense. You would have only been lacking in merit for about a week. That isn’t “consistently running out of merit”.

So you think all of these are my alt???

I’m not convinced either way, without the Altcoinstalks admins providing further details. I’d also like to hear what these other members have to say. The names I am somewhat familiar with, Leahized and Rustam Meraj, might have good reason for avoiding this thread though. Leahized looks like a typical account farmer and Rustam Meraj is already tagged with a reference to multi-accounting activity.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Leahized looks like a typical account farmer and Rustam Meraj is already tagged with a reference to multi-accounting activity.

Just like the OP, this account is catching merits in the Wall Observer thread and quite successfully.
But at some point, OP, having distributed the merits for the pizza contest, showed how he could be a generous source for everyone and put forward his candidacy.
It looks incredibly insincere and fake.
Haven't you really found a single decent post all this time, OP, and been saving everything for a special occasion?

[Leahized]

Leahized looks like a typical account farmer and Rustam Meraj is already tagged with a reference to multi-accounting activity.

Just like the OP, this account is catching merits in the Wall Observer thread and quite successfully.

I am being mentioned here since yesterday. And several times I have been called an account farmer. but I want to be clear about this. Because I don't have any second account and I am not involved in any fraud.

The above mentioned accounts are showing multi-accounting with me. I don't know and don't know about any of his accounts. But by observing for a while I understand, Publictalk792, Rustam Meraj, CryptoYar, all three of them are from Pakistan board. But I am a Bangladeshi, so how am I related to these accounts? I don't want any complications and want to build good relationship with everyone. If you want, I can give you a screenshot of my logged IP for the last 30 days.

Btw, I have seen in the past days that the most merit is misused in the local board or thread. So I'm avoid my local thread.

[LoyceV]

I can give you a screenshot of my logged IP for the last 30 days.

Don't do that. It doesn't prove anything, as screenshots can be doctored, and it's bad for privacy.

[CryptoYar]

Nice try. But you are clearly lying. Instead of putting those words in quotation marks, please quote where I actually said that.

... to whom you have also sent merits on this forum.

That is your post, and it clearly suggests that those are my alts simply because I sent them merit.

You are not going to get away with strawman arguments like the bolded part. danadc and famososMuertos live thousands of miles away from where I am. Filicius might be closer but maybe hundreds of miles so our IPs are going to be different. You are not going to find a forum administrator saying that we are alts because we share on the same IP.

I do not know why I have to defend activity from another forum here, but for your satisfaction, I applied the same logic you used — except I counted in kilometers, not miles.

meliodas → Turkey, around 3,246 km away from Pakistan
Speeder → Bangladesh, around 2,208 km away from Pakistan
AIRWAYS → Bangladesh, around 2,208 km away from Pakistan
Lazy → Bangladesh, around 2,208 km away from Pakistan
Leahized → Mostly posts in gambling, no connection
Publiktalk792 → Same city in Pakistan, but most probably around 50 km away
Rustam Meraj → Different city, different district, and most probably hundreds of km away

As for IPs from other countries matching, I do not know. Please ask the Altcoinstalks admins. They can answer that better than me.

I’m not convinced either way, without the Altcoinstalks admins providing further details. I’d also like to hear what these other members have to say. The names I am somewhat familiar with, Leahized and Rustam Meraj, might have good reason for avoiding this thread though. Leahized looks like a typical account farmer and Rustam Meraj is already tagged with a reference to multi-accounting activity.

Exactly. I would also like to know from Altcoinstalks admins how someone active in the Turkish board, or someone from Bangladesh posting in Bengali, can have the same IP as mine.

The above mentioned accounts are showing multi-accounting with me. I don't know and don't know about any of his accounts. But by observing for a while I understand, Publictalk792, Rustam Meraj, CryptoYar, all three of them are from Pakistan board. But I am a Bangladeshi, so how am I related to these accounts? I don't want any complications and want to build good relationship with everyone. If you want, I can give you a screenshot of my logged IP for the last 30 days.

Btw, I have seen in the past days that the most merit is misused in the local board or thread. So I'm avoid my local thread.

That is what I have been repeating: does being from the same country make us an account farm?

Yes, Publiktalk792, Rustam Meraj, CryptoYar, and many others are from Pakistan, so please add all of them to the list too if that is your standard.

Just like the OP, this account is catching merits in the Wall Observer thread and quite successfully.
But at some point, OP, having distributed the merits for the pizza contest, showed how he could be a generous source for everyone and put forward his candidacy.
It looks incredibly insincere and fake.
Haven't you really found a single decent post all this time, OP, and been saving everything for a special occasion?

This is probably the fourth time I am saying this.

Yes, I distributed merits during the Pizza Contest, and when I ran out of sMerits, only then did I apply to become a Merit Source.

What is wrong with that?

For your information, and I am sure you already know this, finding meritable posts is part of a Merit Source application.

So yes, I actively searched for good posts while preparing my application. Before that, whenever I found a meritable post, I merited it, but I was not spending hours hunting for good posts. That was part of the Merit Source application process, and I did exactly that.

[JollyGood]

I am sure if the OP knew that his application to become merit source would attract a huge amount negativity and scrutiny, he would never have created this thread. Since making the application, the OP has come under intense scrutiny and his deliberate obfuscation has been noticed by many members. I doubt he will be successful therefore he should consider locking the thread.

[Alonso_]

Your application seems a bit awkward to me, because you should have been more specific with your interest, specifying if you’re interested in being a merit source in a particular thread or specification on a particular local board that you want to share merits and be a merit source, anyways there is always a room for change, and you can still make some good changes that you must have made a mistake.

Anyways I wish you all the best in your application as a merit source, but you will have to be patience because it takes so much time for a merit source to be selected.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Nice try. But you are clearly lying. Instead of putting those words in quotation marks, please quote where I actually said that.

... to whom you have also sent merits on this forum.

That is your post, and it clearly suggests that those are my alts simply because I sent them merit.

Yeah, right, and you just quote me out of context to suit yourself. I’m not going to waste any more time arguing with an account farmer who twists what I say and keeps resorting to straw man arguments (pretending to refute things I haven’t actually said).

This is what i actually said:

The administrators of another forum, who check IP addresses, state categorically that the accounts on the list are your alts. There are accounts with the same name on this forum too, such as Publictalk792, to whom you have also sent merits on this forum.

[dragonvslinux]

The administrators of another forum, who check IP addresses, state categorically that the accounts on the list are your alts. There are accounts with the same name on this forum too, such as Publictalk792, to whom you have also sent merits on this forum.

Yeh have seen the evidence, blatant account farm, no two ways about it. Publictalk792 and CryptoYar have since been tagged by presidents committee over there, the excuses are complete nonsense. Not sure on the others, have only seen a copy of the logs. I'm not that important  

Are we now teleporting tags then? Interesting concept, but better done with evidence than "trust me bro" imo.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Yeh have seen the evidence, blatant account farm, no two ways about it. Publictalk792 and CryptoYar have since been tagged by presidents committee over there, the excuses are complete nonsense. Not sure on the others, have only seen a copy of the logs. I'm not that important  

Are we now teleporting tags then? Interesting concept, but better done with evidence than "trust me bro" imo.

I saw his profile on that forum and it was probably not a great idea to have a chatbot write his defense for him. Because the administrators don’t disclose personal information, and there isn’t enough public information connecting those accounts, besides merit transfers, he is probably safe from getting a negative tag on this forum. If they’re part of a farm, they will probably make a mistake eventually and be discovered.

[dragonvslinux]

Yeh have seen the evidence, blatant account farm, no two ways about it. Publictalk792 and CryptoYar have since been tagged by presidents committee over there, the excuses are complete nonsense. Not sure on the others, have only seen a copy of the logs. I'm not that important  

Are we now teleporting tags then? Interesting concept, but better done with evidence than "trust me bro" imo.

I saw his profile on that forum and it was probably not a great idea to have a chatbot write his defense for him. Because the administrators don’t disclose personal information, and there isn’t enough public information connecting those accounts, besides merit transfers, he is probably safe from getting a negative tag on this forum. If they’re part of a farm, they will probably make a mistake eventually and be discovered.

Well, turns out, examplens and I did some investigating, and in fact, there is sufficient evidence to suspect multi-accounting based on public information. When you know which users you are looking to connect together, it's a lot easier to connect them together after all. I'll let E present the findings on this one as the one who took the lead, maybe there will be some extra digging before then as well. Patience is a virtue.

[Samrean]

The administrators of another forum, who check IP addresses, state categorically that the accounts on the list are your alts. There are accounts with the same name on this forum too, such as Publictalk792, to whom you have also sent merits on this forum.

Yeh have seen the evidence, blatant account farm, no two ways about it. Publictalk792 and CryptoYar have since been tagged by presidents committee over there, the excuses are complete nonsense. Not sure on the others, have only seen a copy of the logs. I'm not that important  

You are very true but i don't know why these Pakistan local board scammers are saved every time even we have the right evidence against them.

That is what I have been repeating: does being from the same country make us an account farm?
Yes, Publiktalk792, Rustam Meraj, CryptoYar, and many others are from Pakistan, so please add all of them to the list too if that is your standard.

Thats the excuse these profiles have been making, once they get caught they start screaming ban us all. Strange. I don't say that all of them are same but where we have the evidences we should ban them. For example,

Ahhh!First of all sorry to ThemePen because of me you made a mistake, yes I gave you password to apply upcoming signature campaigns.

He has given the password to his friend, in any other cases it would have been a red tag  At that time, Themepen was not a merit source but now he has come a merit source and these Pakistan local boards got the License to misuse more mertis. They are many new members reaching to higher level in thier local board by distributing merits between them and most of them are alts.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3470490

[JollyGood]

You have been posting regularly to meet your campaign quota but you are no longer posting in this thread. If you have not locked the thread because from your perspective nothing has changed and the merit source application is still active, then you are defeating the object as members are not posting anything positive about you or supporting your application.

If you are not going to address questions and concerns then maybe locking the thread would be the best option as it makes no sense whatsoever to keep it open.

Thank you for considering my application. I take the merit system seriously and intend to use source merit responsibly and consistently.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If you are not going to address questions and concerns then maybe locking the thread would be the best option as it makes no sense whatsoever to keep it open.

I am sure if the OP knew that his application to become merit source would attract a huge amount negativity and scrutiny, he would never have created this thread. Since making the application, the OP has come under intense scrutiny and his deliberate obfuscation has been noticed by many members. I doubt he will be successful therefore he should consider locking the thread.

You've called on him twice to do this, but we all see the intrigue that could reignite the conversation. Yes, everyone's waiting. But on the other hand, if the OP is impeccable, then he has nothing to fear, right?🤷‍♀️

I'll let E present the findings on this one as the one who took the lead, maybe there will be some extra digging before then as well. Patience is a virtue.

[Ale88]

Publiktalk792 → Same city in Pakistan, but most probably around 50 km away
Rustam Meraj → Different city, different district, and most probably hundreds of km away

As for IPs from other countries matching, I do not know. Please ask the Altcoinstalks admins. They can answer that better than me.

I'm sorry for the cross-posting from the other forum, but how do you explain posts like this one:
The exhaustive investigation to which you refer has already been carried out, resulting in 59 pages of logs that leave no room for doubt.

And this one:
Pakistan has a population of 256 million, and you're telling me that your ISP has assigned the same IP address to three users of this forum, and has used that same IP for about eleven months?
You're telling me that TODAY when COINCIDENTALLY that IP is no longer the same for those three users?


This is an important matter also for the Bitcoin Pizza Day Contest because:
- You (CryptoYar) voted: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5585847.msg66903104#msg66903104
- Rustam Meraj voted: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5585847.msg66865001#msg66865001
- Publictalk792 voted: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5585847.msg66899363#msg66899363

That would mean you have cheated, and since you won the first prize, $1,500, the situation is quite serious, because in this case you would have to be disqualified and return the prize.

[FinneysTrueVision]

He has given the password to his friend, in any other cases it would have been a red tag   At that time, Themepen was not a merit source but now he has come a merit source and these Pakistan local boards got the License to misuse more mertis. They are many new members reaching to higher level in thier local board by distributing merits between them and most of them are alts.

It’s interesting that ThemePen is being brought up. I did find ThemePen and Publictalk792 had transacted with the same exchange address, however, it was only 1 time each so I didn’t find it conclusive enough to mention this before. Further investigation may be necessary.

[noormcs5]

You have been posting regularly to meet your campaign quota but you are no longer posting in this thread. If you have not locked the thread because from your perspective nothing has changed and the merit source application is still active, then you are defeating the object as members are not posting anything positive about you or supporting your application.

If you are not going to address questions and concerns then maybe locking the thread would be the best option as it makes no sense whatsoever to keep it open.

Thank you for considering my application. I take the merit system seriously and intend to use source merit responsibly and consistently.

There are some allegations against the OP in this thread. If he would lock this thread wouldn't it mean that he don't want people to dig further, want to bury the thread and hence maybe we may feel that he is guilty in one way or other. Keep the thread open means he is willing to accept any allegations (false or true) but yeah in this way the purpose of the thread does fades aways with this conversation.

[CryptoYar]

You have been posting regularly to meet your campaign quota but you are no longer posting in this thread.

[...]

I did not close the thread because I have nothing to hide if I wanted to close I would have closed it much earlier even before you said it, but since I did not close. I let the users investigate whatever they want and bring up, and I will be ready to defend.

You've called on him twice to do this, but we all see the intrigue that could reignite the conversation. Yes, everyone's waiting. But on the other hand, if the OP is impeccable, then he has nothing to fear, right?🤷‍♀️

Yes I am. And I was waiting for more evidences and I did not go anywhere if there would be anything I will protect myself because I am innocent.

I'll let E present the findings on this one as the one who took the lead, maybe there will be some extra digging before then as well. Patience is a virtue.

examplnes was suppose bring evidences?

I'm sorry for the cross-posting from the other forum, but how do you explain posts like this one:
The exhaustive investigation to which you refer has already been carried out, resulting in 59 pages of logs that leave no room for doubt.

And this one:
Pakistan has a population of 256 million, and you're telling me that your ISP has assigned the same IP address to three users of this forum, and has used that same IP for about eleven months?
You're telling me that TODAY when COINCIDENTALLY that IP is no longer the same for those three users?

Oh come on dear!

If they have evidences so why they locked my thread. I can explain everything. But they just locked my thread and don't give the chance to explain.

That would mean you have cheated, and since you won the first prize, $1,500, the situation is quite serious, because in this case you would have to be disqualified and return the prize.

Means you are saying I have 51 votes and all are my alts.