Failed psychology playing casino originals

[libert19]

What psychology in pure randomness? Psychology doesn't apply to these pure chance based games, but as a human, we might think there is pattern and we try to do gymnastics of various kinds to win, but if one really understands these games (which is not rocket science anyhow), they'll stop with their moves.

Personally, I might change sides for laughs but wouldn't really think it increases my winning chances and it would be my folly to do so.

I for example often had the (I know it's wrong) mindset that when I switch the side my original side would come more, and actually in my history it always does all of the sudden.

I know all the babbling about “provably fair” and so on, yet that’s my personal experience.

Or was it because you were more focused on losses?

You should try doing it properly through table instead of looking through history, and show us if there is significant difference. Now, that would be something substantial.

PS: This is easiest topic to post, it's surprising it has only two pages.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I guess many of us that occasionally play originals games know this. Lets say on dice you choose a side, at coin flip you choose one side or at limbo you choose a multiplier and then play. Mostly I, and I know many others do the same, stay on the one side and stick with it, often just adjusting the wager if a losing run comes to smaller bets (hopefully).
I for example often had the (I know it's wrong) mindset that when I switch the side my original side would come more, and actually in my history it always does all of the sudden.
I know all the babbling about “provably fair” and so on, yet that’s my personal experience.

So why not changing the side? Is it because of not trusting fair play, or is it because of being superstitious, or something else?

I don't understand what you mean here, I tried to like see if I could grab a thing or two but honestly speaking, I don't get it, but maybe this is because.....
1. I am not really a fan of casino games and don't play them much, I always prefer slot games to casino games and most times when I am not slotting, I am betting on sports games.

2. Another reason being that when ever I find myself playing a casino game, I like to turn on auto bet. Infact, I honestly can not remember a single time I've played a casino game without having auto bet on, and one of my most favourite is plinko.

But all the same, many gamblers do alot of things in casinos games  because of their superstitious belief, or whatever else they can or will choose to call it. So I would say that what you talked about, though I don't completely understand, has more to do with superstition than not trusting fair play.

[xenomorfo]

Because I am not trusting provably fair. Same as others, I thought Martingale is the best strategy in that kind of game, but often it made me lose much more. IIRC, I got a 10+ losing streak when using Martingale, picking the same side, starting with the smallest bet possible, and ended up losing all my money. It didn't happen once, but a few times, until I stopped using Martingale. How come this happened so many times, with the same pattern?

The other thing that made me not change sides is because of psychological reasons. Specifically, I think it's the gambler's fallacy. If I keep losing picking the same side, the next one is probably my turn to win. If I change my side, it will ruin the pattern. You get what I mean?

I am also a person who doesn't trust this kind of system, but if you just play to have fun and not to make money, then you don't care how or how, it doesn't matter to me.
In the end i just do it to spend time and be with friends, so even if there's no certainty that it's right and demonstrable it doesn't matter to me.

[hedgeh0g]

I am also a person who doesn't trust this kind of system, but if you just play to have fun and not to make money, then you don't care how or how, it doesn't matter to me.
In the end i just do it to spend time and be with friends, so even if there's no certainty that it's right and demonstrable it doesn't matter to me.

Psychology can improve, but only in those players who sense and understand these subtleties. For example, such players include professionals who have grasped this fundamentally and now use it to their advantage, while other players are simply trying to overcome it. In any case, years of conscious play and a little persistent self-discovery in such games contribute to a better understanding of myself, including my psychology. I've even noticed how my attitude toward the game, as well as toward other things and observing other players, changes.

[Rubuchi]

No point of continuing to gamble when the game its not being in their favour, that is why its important for one to be in charge of their emotions, as they will not bet based on their emotions but can let go at any moment, even if they might be winning or not, this way will help them to stay true to their plans and if they find it unable to control their minds, they can seek for help from therapist or counselor which will give them every help they may need, but before that will happen, they have to be determined about it.

that's what bring about addiction. Addiction is when you no longer have control over your emotions and you allow the emotions take directions for you. Yu are no longer the architect in charge of your decisions, you allow the emotions to take charge there by affecting you psycologically. Any form of failure in the control of one's psychology is a pure example of addiction. Every decent gambler should ordinarily have the ability to determine when to gamble or not. The moment you are unable to control that, then you don't need any explanation from any person again, be rest assured that you have already fall prey with gambling addiction which is very difficult to leave. One of the characteristics of addiction is it makes you feel like you are physically okay but it mostly affects the mental health and you will be doing things you don't know are wrong because the psychology is already affected by the gamble.

[lionheart78]

So why not changing the side? Is it because of not trusting fair play, or is it because of being superstitious, or something else?

Not changing side is because of sticking to the possibility that the side will win eventually.  It is not a belief but a probability that actually makes sense.  It may also be considered a superstition, but others also do it for consistency, knowing that the result will always be random. and people sticking to the initial side can also avoid them of regret.  that is to save them from emotional distress.

Also, I do not think it is not trusting fair play because if the person does not trust a casino, they will never play on its platform.

[Onyeeze]

No point of continuing to gamble when the game its not being in their favour, that is why its important for one to be in charge of their emotions, as they will not bet based on their emotions but can let go at any moment, even if they might be winning or not, this way will help them to stay true to their plans and if they find it unable to control their minds, they can seek for help from therapist or counselor which will give them every help they may need, but before that will happen, they have to be determined about it.

that's what bring about addiction. Addiction is when you no longer have control over your emotions and you allow the emotions take directions for you.

I have been explaining what causes addition of gambling and of anything that you do, sometimes it is greediness that causes someone to be addicted in gambling but if you can be able to control your emotions and the gambling you want to be fully addicted in gambling because you know your budget and you also know your target but if you don't know your budget and you don't know your target you will get addicted in gambling because if you're ready to be pursuing what you have lost in gambling so such process will make you to lose more and it will push you to continue gambling for you to recover what you have lost

[alastantiger]

I do change sides occasionally as my instincts drives me but I don't auto bet. In fact I don't enjoy the auto bet feature because it's less engaging. More like the system having the fun on my behalf. I like doing the thinking, the selection and the staking by myself, the mental engagement and watching results unfold is a big thrill for me. Sticking to a side can bring wins but most times I think my being rigid brings about my loss, so I switch sides as the spirit leads.

I don't like it too when the casino stake for me, the autobet features is not right as I don't see a reason why the casino will decide if I am to continue playing the game. It should be my choice on if I was to continue playing or I will stop as that gives me an opportunity to decide when I am no longer going to gamble anymore. The autobet system will be at disadvantage as it will make me keep on gambling until I have exhausted the money in my account but if I am the one in charge then I can stop anytime I want and it will all be my decision. Casinos know that with the autobet system they can make more profit and that is why that feature.

[Hispo]

What psychology in pure randomness? Psychology doesn't apply to these pure chance based games, but as a human, we might think there is pattern and we try to do gymnastics of various kinds to win, but if one really understands these games (which is not rocket science anyhow), they'll stop with their moves.

I have always assumed that when someone talks about psychology within the context of gambling, they always are making some reference to the response we have as gamblers and costumers of the casino to the results being given by their random number generators. It is obvious casino games and their algorithms do not care and do not get influenced by our feelings.

Even if the result does not change because our personal psychological state, there are different ways one can react to the same result. Not all people have the same reaction to losing a determined amount of money to the house.

We all grieve differently and we all celebrate differently. Let us say...

[junder]

That is why everyone got to hold tight what they believed on strongly, because everything you just stated out its just nothing but the truth, and honestly it does work for them just the way they believe on, that is why people are still debating that strategies does help while some are saying its about luck and if one checkmate it well, they are not wrong, which I concur with you but whatever they may believed on, its essential to know what to do and what not to do in gambling, as what they believed on won't stop them to face the consequences of their actions if they ignore the right thing.

I think it depends on the type of game as well. Take slot games, for example in my opinion these are games where winning depends entirely on luck, so there’s no strategy whatsoever to secure a win or even increase your chances of winning. On the other hand skill-based games like poker, sports betting or others do require strategy, but this merely increases your chances of winning it doesn’t guarantee a win or ensure a specific outcome.

[Julien_Olynpic]

I'd call it something like the Martingale strategy, but with a "switching side." I experimented with it before, and my logic was this: it doesn't matter what your bets are. Just place random bets, and if you don't win, just raise the bet. After all, roulette has no eyes or brain; it doesn't know your previous bet. Perhaps it's worth comparing this to the classic Martingale. But I can say that this strategy still produces poor results.

[Satofan44]

I guess many of us that occasionally play originals games know this. Lets say on dice you choose a side, at coin flip you choose one side or at limbo you choose a multiplier and then play. Mostly I, and I know many others do the same, stay on the one side and stick with it, often just adjusting the wager if a losing run comes to smaller bets (hopefully).
I for example often had the (I know it's wrong) mindset that when I switch the side my original side would come more, and actually in my history it always does all of the sudden.
I know all the babbling about “provably fair” and so on, yet that’s my personal experience.

Do you even understand the basics of statistics? If you are playing one side a lot and more often than not you are getting the other side, it is precisely because you are switching after such a period to the other side that the previous side is now coming. It is the balance of results returning to the mean after a long imbalance. To be able to have any chance of unfairness you would have to analyze all results across a longer time frame, not your "personal observations" which are biased bullshit full of subjective nonsense and memory blindness. If you could "this easily" prove that a casino that claims to be provably fair is cheating, then you could easily ruin the reputation of said casino. Why don't you do it since "it always does this all of a sudden"?

So why not changing the side? Is it because of not trusting fair play, or is it because of being superstitious, or something else?

Basic statistics, among other things. Here are your key words to research: gambler's fallacy, confirmation bias sprinkled with some regression toward the mean. That is what is happening here, nothing more. You let your brain make up shit and you forget each time when you have switched sides and nothing unusual happened, and instead you over-focus on the times that something "different/wrong" happened, i.e., the results started coming out on the opposite side by chance.

[impulse709]

That is why everyone got to hold tight what they believed on strongly, because everything you just stated out its just nothing but the truth, and honestly it does work for them just the way they believe on, that is why people are still debating that strategies does help while some are saying its about luck and if one checkmate it well, they are not wrong, which I concur with you but whatever they may believed on, its essential to know what to do and what not to do in gambling, as what they believed on won't stop them to face the consequences of their actions if they ignore the right thing.

I think it depends on the type of game as well. Take slot games, for example in my opinion these are games where winning depends entirely on luck, so there’s no strategy whatsoever to secure a win or even increase your chances of winning. On the other hand skill-based games like poker, sports betting or others do require strategy, but this merely increases your chances of winning it doesn’t guarantee a win or ensure a specific outcome.

I agree that psychology has a huge impact when playing casino originals. After a few games, some players may be tempted to believe that they have found a repeatable formula and get complacent. But random games aren't like that. Bankroll management and self-discipline are helpful skills. But cannot affect the actual result or the house edge. This is where most of the gamblers make their mental mistakes, particularly when they persist in increasing their bets in order to make up for their losses rapidly or chasing on losing streaks. It is crucial to be able to recognize the distinction between skill and luck. One of the most important pieces of advice for any bettor is to have a calm mind. Have realistic betting expectations, and know when to quit.

[crwth]

It's all about the behavior of the person and how it's being done because you know that behavior wouldn't affect the game mechanics.
^{(You would be crazy to think that it does.)}

When you think about it, streaks are bound to happen; it's not impossible but rare. Being rare doesn't mean it can't happen, especially if you are in a long session. Better check the probabilities of something that you would do and understand it.

It's the Illusion of Control

[Charcol]

They actually think that if they change sides, the results will change or the pattern will come up again. There are two things, one is "loss aversion" and the other is "control illusion", perhaps these are the reasons for changing sides. Again, many people get stuck in the same pattern. They stick to one side and keep trying again and again.

[swogerino]

I guess many of us that occasionally play originals games know this. Lets say on dice you choose a side, at coin flip you choose one side or at limbo you choose a multiplier and then play. Mostly I, and I know many others do the same, stay on the one side and stick with it, often just adjusting the wager if a losing run comes to smaller bets (hopefully).
I for example often had the (I know it's wrong) mindset that when I switch the side my original side would come more, and actually in my history it always does all of the sudden.
I know all the babbling about “provably fair” and so on, yet that’s my personal experience.

So why not changing the side? Is it because of not trusting fair play, or is it because of being superstitious, or something else?

I don't play much originals except Aviator, Limbo and Plinko games and I also stick to one multiplier and do not change. Maybe this is wrong but for me I never change while playing Plinko or Aviator as explicitly in Aviator games you have the chance to choose when to cash out giving you flexibility. For coin flip maybe we should not stick to just one side as the whole point of coin flip is to switch between head and tails and not stick to one. I don't like entering further in probability but there is that famous saying "if you flip the coin 100 times it will never fall on the same side 100 times" and that sums it up pretty well.

[Fortify]

I guess many of us that occasionally play originals games know this. Lets say on dice you choose a side, at coin flip you choose one side or at limbo you choose a multiplier and then play. Mostly I, and I know many others do the same, stay on the one side and stick with it, often just adjusting the wager if a losing run comes to smaller bets (hopefully).
I for example often had the (I know it's wrong) mindset that when I switch the side my original side would come more, and actually in my history it always does all of the sudden.
I know all the babbling about “provably fair” and so on, yet that’s my personal experience.

So why not changing the side? Is it because of not trusting fair play, or is it because of being superstitious, or something else?

You're talking about this game like you think there is a 50/50 chance of winning in the first place - there isn't. Casinos have no incentive to offer a game that doesn't have a house edge so you're not "flipping a coin" but actually playing a game that you will lose if you play for long enough. Compounding that problem you seem to think that all the plays in your session are some how connected, rather than understanding that each attempt at the game is entirely disconnected from all other plays and the casino does not owe you anything at all for losing, in fact that is the only outcome you'll get. Even probably fair will not help when there is a defined house edge involved, but it does boost transparency.

[Nrcewker]

I would say this is superstition, and I think many of us do it. I do the same while playing dice games by always keeping the betting condition set to Roll Over a particular number. I don’t do this very often when using auto-bet, but if I’m placing 10–15 bets in a row manually, I stick to one particular side.

I always feel that casino games are somehow watching our movements, so they aren’t completely fair. Of course, that’s just my personal belief. Because of that, I prefer sticking to the same strategy of choosing one side. I also sometimes follow the same approach in the Hi-Lo game by continuously choosing the High option. Sometimes this strategy brings me a good profit.

Overall, these are my superstitious beliefs, and I feel they work for me most of the time.

[DPHOR]

I know all the babbling about “provably fair” and so on, yet that’s my personal experience.

So why not changing the side? Is it because of not trusting fair play, or is it because of being superstitious, or something else?

You and I could see it as something that is provable fair but dip down to the game only the casino or house edge that knows what techniques they are using to quantify the winning behind the game, otherwise if you stay on a particular side of coin for long why don't you make incur winning and immediately you switches to the other side of the coin that is when the previous side would began to constantly appears.
This is the reason why most people do like skill based game over luck based games.

[Achalugo BTC]

I think it depends on the type of game as well. Take slot games, for example in my opinion these are games where winning depends entirely on luck, so there’s no strategy whatsoever to secure a win or even increase your chances of winning. On the other hand skill-based games like poker, sports betting or others do require strategy, but this merely increases your chances of winning it doesn’t guarantee a win or ensure a specific outcome.

I'm glad you understand it doesn't guaranteed wins and in my own opinion, I also think that luck has its hand in it, one can be strategic or can analyse well but they still need luck to act its part, which is why one should just bet with what they can comfortably lose just incase it doesn't fall in their place, they won't either feel hurt or disappointed, as they understand that gambling can't be predicted actually. So, the game its just about control or being fully in charge of their emotions to keep them strong, so that they won't react negatively if they lose.