Dutch tax refugee: which country to move to?

[LoyceV]

Reading through your replies, it starts becoming actually pretty simple
- 1st world countries, this narrows the list by a ton, we get rid of almost two continents
- language barrier ( if not Dutch, then English; well, we got rid of parts of Europe, Japan, Sk, and any more)
- no fiscal paradises that require you to buy a 3 million apartment and have 500k in a bank like Monaco and others, and we erase Curacao also, right?

This sums it up nicely. I realize there aren't that many options left.

So, English, developed country:  US, Canada, Ireland, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Iceland

Iceland? I've always wanted to go there on holiday, but I never considered to live there. As far as I know the official language is Icelandic. But I guess they speak English almost everywhere. My wife is surprisingly enthousiastic about Iceland!

New Zealand bad you said

Don't get me wrong: I love the country, but I don't think it's going to be possible to get in.

Australia wants to kill you

To be clear: that wouldn't stop me from going there. I've been there, didn't get killed.

USA you didn't like that either plus with the whole immigration thing they will not be the best choice right now, you shot down Ireland also and I have a feeling you're going to do the same for the UK, Iceland will probably be a weird choice so: Canada or Belgium!
Unless you're either flexible on your views on the above listed countries, it's either Belgium or you ditch the language criteria.

I can make a longer list, but it's increasingly difficult to get there (legally). So far, on my "maybe list", I can have Belgium, Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, Australia and even Ireland. All with their own pros and cons.

Florida is kind of not bad tho for retirees.

The Dutch version of Florida is Spain: many retirees go there, or at least for winter. But with young kids, the language is a huge barrier to move permanently.

[WillyAp]

The Dutch version of Florida is Spain: many retirees go there, or at least for winter. But with young kids, the language is a huge barrier to move permanently.

Language can be learned.
Kids are the 1st learners so hard it isn't. 6 to 8 month you need.

[mindrust]

The Dutch version of Florida is Spain: many retirees go there, or at least for winter. But with young kids, the language is a huge barrier to move permanently.

Spain has a curse as well that's called "okupa".

Don't leave your home in Spain empty and go back to the Netherlands for a month or two.

If you find someone occupying your home when you get back to Spain, it will be hard to get them out. It might take years till a decision is made.

Squatting in Spain refers to the occupation of unused or derelict buildings or land without the permission of the owner. In Francoist Spain migrant workers lived in slums on the periphery of cities. During the Spanish transition to democracy, residential squatting occurred in Spanish cities such as Barcelona, Bilbao, Madrid, Valencia and Zaragoza. From the 1980s onwards a new generation of squatters set up self-managed social centres which hosted events and campaigns. The 1995 Criminal Code among other things criminalised squatting, but failed to stop it. Social centres exist across the country and in Barcelona and Madrid in particular. In the Basque Country they are known as gaztetxes [eu].

[theymos]

Looking at it from this side of the Atlantic, the US has lost much of it's "country of unlimited possibilities" image, and that's even when I try to ignore the generic "Republicans bad, Democrats good" in national media here.

There are a lot of problems, but the perception in the media that it's total chaos here is a big overreaction. Trump is testing US institutions, but they're largely holding, and life continues 99% as normal. Around 2031, once a lot of lessons from Biden and Trump have been learned, I think that the US will be stronger and more stable than it has been in decades. (Though it'll still be very far from perfect, I'm sure.)

From time to time I've briefly considered moving out of the US, but although there are a ton of issues with the US, there's really nowhere better for someone who likes freedom and has any ambition. I believe that the US will continue being the most culturally, militarily, and economically important country for a very long time, so if you want to do big things, the US is the best place to be. That's true even if you acknowledge the US as being a frequent force for evil in the world: inside of the US is the best place to nudge things in the right direction. It's like Ancient Rome: Rome was an evil state built on conquest and slavery, but if you wanted to do great things and make the biggest difference, better to be there than Ptolemaic Egypt (=Europe), Numidia (=Canada), or Rhodes (=New Zealand). Though if your top priority is having a peaceful life, then those latter options may well be better.

For me personally, the EU would be very low on my list. I find the EU to have a really worrying anti-growth culture, and also creeping authoritarian tendencies. I feel like in the name of trying to achieve safety and stability, they will actually hollow out the entire economy, and it'll be ripe for some sort of complete societal collapse, catalyzed by something from within or without. If I personally wanted to leave the US, my top picks would be Canada, New Zealand, and Chile.

To the Philippines.

I'll limit my "quest" to first world countries, I wouldn't want my kids to grow up surrounded by poverty. And again: the language.

It's probably not ideal for you, but I know a few people who moved from developed countries to the Philippines, and they seem to like it. They have a low cost-of-living there, and a good culture, it seems. English is very widespread.

Canada also seems to have lost a lot of it's laid-back image, at least from what I've seen online. But I've never actually been there.

Canadians are getting marginally less accepting of immigration, but immigration is still a core part of their whole national identity. I wouldn't worry about that at all. I know several people in Canada, and it sounds like a fantastic place to live. Though the top cities are known for having very high housing prices.

[notocactus]

I can make a longer list, but it's increasingly difficult to get there (legally). So far, on my "maybe list", I can have Belgium, Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, Australia and even Ireland. All with their own pros and cons.

I would like to pick Canada, the next choices in my list would be Australia and New Zealand.

Canada as far as I know has very immigration criteria from language to skill assessment for your occupation. You definitely have no issues with language and can easily meet their CLB requirement for your occupation, with high Tier in their NOOC. With many job tier in Canada, there is no mandatory Skill Assessment that you will have to do if you choose Australia.

Canada has another thing to consider for your family immigration. House prices there are more feasible than in Australia.

Even Canada has tried to tighten their immigration system since very last months of Justin Trudeau, it still has much more easier requirements than Australia.

Shorter time till getting Permanent Resident and Citizenship in Canada compares to in Australia too.
It will be easiest if you can have high points in Canada Express Entry stream.
If you know French, it's a big advantage as it can help getting more immigration points.
Your children will be given free education, whole family members get free health-care while in Australia, no 100% free education (depends on states but most common, it's 50% only) and no free health-care until you get your PR card.

I agree that in Australia, every living things will try to kill you is too exaggeration. Aussies can live well and in your holidays there, you were not killed.

If you consider Canada, think about provinces like Saskatchewan and Atlantic ones: Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador because your immigration can be more easily there.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I can make a longer list, but it's increasingly difficult to get there (legally). So far, on my "maybe list", I can have Belgium, Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, Australia and even Ireland. All with their own pros and cons.

I would like to pick Canada, the next choices in my list would be Australia and New Zealand.

Canada as far as I know has very immigration criteria from language to skill assessment for your occupation. You definitely have no issues with language and can easily meet their CLB requirement for your occupation, with high Tier in their NOOC. With many job tier in Canada, there is no mandatory Skill Assessment that you will have to do if you choose Australia.

I’m surprised Canada is even in the discussion. It’s a country that’s been completely infected by the woke virus for quite some time now, with high taxes, bad weather, and—as happens in all socialist countries—they’ve let half the world in just to have more voters who depend on some form of government assistance. That skilled immigration system is more a thing of the past. Furthermore, as is often the case, they let in millions of people while simultaneously imposing higher taxes and more regulations on construction, which has sent real estate prices through the roof.

Go to Canada to escape the wealth tax, and after all the paperwork and the move, don't be surprised if they impose one on you.

I would choose a traditionally Republican state in the U.S. that’s unlikely to change in the next election, no matter what happens in the presidential race.

[notocactus]

I’m surprised Canada is even in the discussion. It’s a country that’s been completely infected by the woke virus for quite some time now, with high taxes, bad weather, and—as happens in all socialist countries—they’ve let half the world in just to have more voters who depend on some form of government assistance. That skilled immigration system is more a thing of the past. Furthermore, as is often the case, they let in millions of people while simultaneously imposing higher taxes and more regulations on construction, which has sent real estate prices through the roof.

Immigration is a super big thing, and there are many factors for consideration: language, job, initial cost for immigration, criteria and waiting time till achieving Permanent Residence before Citizenship, house affordability, education, health-care, freedom, and more.

If it is only about house affordability, you can check, Canada is more affordable than Australia even in both nations, locals complain about housing crisis but between the two nations, there is one nation better, that is Canada.

If the initial immigration cost to Canada is feasible, I definitely choose it rather than Australia. In contrast, if the initial cost is too much with me, I would like to choose Australia and accept more challenge for my immigration pathway there.

Go to Canada to escape the wealth tax, and after all the paperwork and the move, don't be surprised if they impose one on you.

It's about the future, who knows about the future, so I don't mind too much about what will happen in far future.

Like people escaped their nations because of communists decades ago as boat people, nowadays have to face with something similar in the USA. Who knows about that?

At least, I love the USA because that nation was designed hundreds of years ago in a way of self-countering back something wrong. It's big difference than what is designed in dictatorship and communism nations like China, North Korea, and so on.

I would choose a traditionally Republican state in the U.S. that’s unlikely to change in the next election, no matter what happens in the presidential race.

The USA is a great nation, and only dislike the USA because of guns that are too dangerous and I don't want to die someday because of that.

From time to time I've briefly considered moving out of the US, but although there are a ton of issues with the US, there's really nowhere better for someone who likes freedom and has any ambition.

It's true, like Charlie Kirk said.

If in another nation, many people want to leave it by many ways, legal or illegal, and from generation to generation, it's not actually a good nation. No matter what mass propaganda has been run by government to brainwash their citizens.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

The Dutch version of Florida is Spain: many retirees go there, or at least for winter. But with young kids, the language is a huge barrier to move permanently.

It depends on where you move to; there won’t be any such barrier. About 20 years ago, I met a Dutch couple in Jávea. The husband was an engineer working for a multinational company there; the wife was a housewife looking after their four children. The children attended a British school. In British schools, everything is taught in English except for Spanish language lessons, and pupils gradually become familiar with the language. The couple spoke no Spanish at all apart from the odd word like ‘hola’ and ‘gracias’. I remember being struck by the fact that the wife spoke to her children in English, even though she was Dutch.

In parts of the Spanish coast, particularly in the provinces of Alicante and Málaga, there are plenty of expat communities and businesses where you’re served in English. I’ve met people from the UK who’ve been living there for decades, and they don’t speak Spanish.

So I don’t see a language barrier there; however, the main reason I wouldn’t move there is that the government is turning the country into a banana republic. It is, as things stand, the most corrupt government in the whole of Europe, and although those expat communities on the coast I’m talking about are safe and offer a good quality of life, with everything changing so fast, you never know what you’re getting yourself into.

[mindrust]

I can make a longer list, but it's increasingly difficult to get there (legally). So far, on my "maybe list", I can have Belgium, Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, Australia and even Ireland. All with their own pros and cons.

I would like to pick Canada, the next choices in my list would be Australia and New Zealand.

Canada as far as I know has very immigration criteria from language to skill assessment for your occupation. You definitely have no issues with language and can easily meet their CLB requirement for your occupation, with high Tier in their NOOC. With many job tier in Canada, there is no mandatory Skill Assessment that you will have to do if you choose Australia.

I’m surprised Canada is even in the discussion. It’s a country that’s been completely infected by the woke virus for quite some time now, with high taxes, bad weather, and—as happens in all socialist countries—they’ve let half the world in just to have more voters who depend on some form of government assistance. That skilled immigration system is more a thing of the past. Furthermore, as is often the case, they let in millions of people while simultaneously imposing higher taxes and more regulations on construction, which has sent real estate prices through the roof.

Go to Canada to escape the wealth tax, and after all the paperwork and the move, don't be surprised if they impose one on you.

I would choose a traditionally Republican state in the U.S. that’s unlikely to change in the next election, no matter what happens in the presidential race.

Most of Europe is infected by wokenium as well. Half of the US too.

Russia seems to be the least wokenium infected country along with China but they are having over-manliness poisoning which is as dangerous as wokenium poisoning. (it makes you isolated from the rest of the world :/ )

Texas and Florida seem to be the good places to retire imo. Tell Donnie to build a wall on the north side too.

[fillippone]

I think every local board, including Italian ones, has similar threads.
I quickly skimmed this thread, but I don't see you really considering the obvious choice: Switzerland.

Crypto: if your bitcoins are legit, there are no problems, and crypto regulation is quite advanced, comprehensive and friendly.
Taxes: there is a wealth tax, but not at a comparable level to what you are used to. Capital gain and income taxes are ridiculous by any standard. (with some variance according where you decide to live).
Language: you basically have the choice of three different base languages, plus a well-developed English-based community.
Cost of living: really high, but you get quality. Probably not the best country to “retire”, but hey, free lunches do not exist.
Work: I think if you are willing to work there, and/or your wife is willing to, I guess it is plenty of opportunities, surely higher than countries like Bulgaria. Getting some kind of work, with the low taxes paid, can alleviate the negative carry of the high cost of living.
Education: world-class, yet probably expensive.
Food: terrible, but you are Dutch, so you probably don’t get the difference (Lol!).
Location: within driving distance of your original base; you could also consider commuting (this requires extra care and fiscal counseling).

Maybe there are better alternatives, but without taking an intercontinental plane and having a family you apparently (and rightly so) want to raise in a “western world context,” this seems like a good compromise to me.
Following this discussion.
 

[abhiseshakana]

Wow, i like this thread,It’s like choosing a place to stay based on a specific worldview from a catalog, complete with honest reviews.

Because your biggest concern are capital drain tax when considering moving to another country & language, i want to suggest my country Indonesia especially Kura-Kura Bali (special economic Zone), even though developing countries aren't among your preferences but I try to summarized the benefit if you and your family move there :

note :
KEK = Kura-Kura Bali
SEZ = Special Economic Zone

• Government is preparing the KEK SEZ to become an international financial center, featuring special regulations designed to shield the wealth of the global upper middle class from aggressive European Union taxation.
• Indonesia's crypto tax scheme including a paradise for crypto owners. Value Added Tax 0%. Final Income Tax 0,21% based on the transaction value if you sell crypto through an Indonesia official registered licensed exchange. Or 1.00% of the transaction value if you transact using an overseas exchange (or through an unregistered party).
• Government give tax holiday program for 10 years for KEK investor (Corporate Income Tax exemption of up to 100%).
• Free Import Tax and 0% VAT, there is no VAT and import duty for office equipment, computers, machines or sample goods imported from the Netherlands into your offices in KEK SEZ.
• Dividend tax exemption for the repatriation of funds to your family.
• KEK SEZ has one stop service aministration office as an instant solution for your fear of bureaucracy (a list of hundreds of things to handle), all staff speak english fluently.
• As an investor, you, your wife, and your children are eligible for a Golden Visa or a multi year limited stay permit card, via a priority track, without the need for a complex local sponsorship process.
  Bali is an international hub and english is the primary language for daily life communication. Mostly expatriate community there operates entirely in english. Your child will grow up in a highly competitive, international, and multicultural environment. Bali has worldclass schools with IB or Cambridge curricula (such as Green School or Canggu Community School). I assume your child will receive an international education at a far more reasonable cost than at elite European schools.
• Across from KEK SEZ, lies the Sanur SEZ, home to the Bali International Hospital, which collaborates directly with the Mayo Clinic in the United States. A world class medical standards are right on your doorstep. Only 30 minutes when traffic is heavy and crawling.
• Bali is not a poor (COUNTRY), it is a world class luxury resort for expatriates, I know you put high concern about the quality of life in third world country. However, KEK SEZ is designed to world class eco luxury standards, so you won't encounter issues with poor infrastructure. With your euro based purchasing power, the capital remaining after your invest (IDR 10 billion = +/- EURO 500.000) allows you to rent a luxury villa with a marina or mountain view, hire a domestic helper and a private driver.
• In KEK SEZ  affords your family total comfort and frees your wife from the stress of household chores. I assume this lifestyle rather impossible for the middle class in the Netherlands to achieve without spending thousands of Euros per month.
• Minimum investment in KEK SEZ are EURO 500.000 (for business capital to be deposited into your company account there, these funds are free for you to spend on business purposes and are not held by the government).
• As an expatriate, there are many career opportunities for highly paid specialists in Indonesia; you just need to find one that suits you.
• If you want to do business, you could consider export import between Indonesia Netherland, and I think it will become your playland. This could be a way for you to generate high income to accumulate Bitcoin.
• The business of purchasing luxury goods on behalf of others is also highly popular in Indonesia.Based on the experience of my cousin, who runs a shopping service from the USA, margin very fruitfull can become one of income sources for your family when you want to return to the Netherlands often

ps : With a long historical connection to the Netherlands, many elderly Dutch people and expatriates have settled in Bali. You could consider it for your retirement.

[m2017]

Crypto: if your bitcoins are legit, there are no problems, and crypto regulation is quite advanced, comprehensive and friendly.

Can crypto received from signature campaigns or avatars be counted as such (at least a portion of what OP holds must fall into this category)?

How does one declare such assets to a regulator? "Look, User #1 gave me (User #2) bitcoins weekly in exchange for wearing a signature or avatar"? How do you explain the origin of these funds, given that such a description could mask any kind of activity? And what about revealing your forum account?

Now, consider another point: signature campaigns promoting online casinos. In some countries, this (gambling) might be prohibited. There are even more sensitive cases. There was a time when mixers were promoted here. How would you explain to a regulator that you received compensation for promoting a mixer - services that, incidentally, are frowned upon by regulators?

Therefore, the legality of bitcoin varies, depending, among other things, on the jurisdiction.

Taxes: there is a wealth tax, but not at a comparable level to what you are used to. Capital gain and income taxes are ridiculous by any standard. (with some variance according where you decide to live).

It would be nice if you could add these tax rates so you can "see" and compare.

Work: I think if you are willing to work there, and/or your wife is willing to, I guess it is plenty of opportunities, surely higher than countries like Bulgaria. Getting some kind of work, with the low taxes paid, can alleviate the negative carry of the high cost of living.

Why shouldn't OP consider remote work? Of course, finding such a job comes with certain challenges, but it does provide access to the global labor market.

[notocactus]

Crypto: if your bitcoins are legit, there are no problems, and crypto regulation is quite advanced, comprehensive and friendly.

Can crypto received from signature campaigns or avatars be counted as such (at least a portion of what OP holds must fall into this category)?

I believe bitcoins received in signature campaigns have two types: legal, and illegal.

Because of concerns about illegal bitcoins - in eyes of Dutch government and newest existing laws - LoyceV stopped promoting mixers, similar privacy services after exch's signature campaign, and he also stopped joining signature campaigns from gambling companies.

His actions recent months are clear answers for you.

Since CM was taken down, I stopped advertising mixers. And since 2 days ago, the Netherlands no longer allows advertising for gambling sites (including affilates), unless they can prove less than 5% of the players are under 24 years old. I don't like this level of government involvement, but it applies nonetheless. But I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not even sure if this gambling advertising law even applies to casinos that don't target the Dutch market, so if someone can convince me it doesn't apply, that would be great

[mindrust]

UK: Another political mess. They change their prime minister as frequently as people change their underwear.

I was very pessimistic before but now I think over it again, UK seems like a good option imo. Casino friendly, English speaking, not hostile against crypto too (at least as far as I am aware.).. It shouldn't be that hard to set up a base there for a EU citizen especially if you have a not bad degree from a European university.

They don't have the best tax brackets but as far as I am concerned OP isn't looking for a tax haven anyway, he just looks for a replacement for his current home. UK fits the bill.

Not very stable politically but NL isn't neither. Pretty much nowhere is politically stable anyway. So it is not really a downside anymore.

That also means something else though, if there is no stability, it also means things change fast very fast. So while UK looks not bad on paper now, it might look worse than NL in a few years.

[Free Market Capitalist]

UK: Another political mess. They change their prime minister as frequently as people change their underwear.

I was very pessimistic before but now I think over it again, UK seems like a good option imo. Casino friendly, English speaking, not hostile against crypto too (at least as far as I am aware.).. It shouldn't be that hard to set up a base there for a EU citizen especially if you have a not bad degree from a European university.

They don't have the best tax brackets but as far as I am concerned OP isn't looking for a tax haven anyway, he just looks for a replacement for his current home. UK fits the bill.

The UK has been in decline for a long time. When the Tories were in power, they just acted like idiots and left the country in shambles, and, as you’d expect, the Labor Party came in next and has done nothing but make things worse.

The UK may be casino-friendly, but they can throw you in jail for expressing your opinion in a tweet, while for decades they covered up mass rapes of young girls because the rapists belonged to a certain ethnic group. Crime on the streets has only increased year after year. And it’s not just that taxes aren’t optimal—they’re getting worse and worse.

[fillippone]

Crypto: if your bitcoins are legit, there are no problems, and crypto regulation is quite advanced, comprehensive and friendly.

Can crypto received from signature campaigns or avatars be counted as such (at least a portion of what OP holds must fall into this category)?

This varies regulators from regulators. But the point is why you got this coins, demonstrating a pattern, demonstrating your works.
OP is able to show that he ceceived these amounts for writing posts on an online forum. I think this is a legitimate activity.
Of course, not fiscal and legal advice.

[nobswebdev]

If ya don't like taxes, I recommend Monero city

[LoyceV]

I quickly skimmed this thread, but I don't see you really considering the obvious choice: Switzerland.

I'm not rich enough for the "lump-sum tax" that was mentioned. Other than that, I expect it to be a very expensive country.

Crypto: if your bitcoins are legit, there are no problems

If my Bitcoins wouldn't be legit, I wouldn't have this problem with taxes

Food: terrible, but you are Dutch, so you probably don’t get the difference (Lol!).

Lol. I'll have you know we eat great food here, and never drink wine from plastic bottles

Location: within driving distance of your original base; you could also consider commuting

We're talking 800-1000 km here! That's easy to move, but too far for commuting.

i want to suggest my country Indonesia especially Kura-Kura Bali (special economic Zone)

Thanks, but this to far beyond my comfort zone.

Crypto: if your bitcoins are legit, there are no problems, and crypto regulation is quite advanced, comprehensive and friendly.

Can crypto received from signature campaigns or avatars be counted as such (at least a portion of what OP holds must fall into this category)?

As long as you pay your taxes, I see no reason why this wouldn't be legal.

How does one declare such assets to a regulator? "Look, User #1 gave me (User #2) bitcoins weekly in exchange for wearing a signature or avatar"? How do you explain the origin of these funds, given that such a description could mask any kind of activity? And what about revealing your forum account?

Regulators have mostly "outsourced" this to banks and exchanges. By now, they must be used to people having different kinds of stories of how they got their Bitcoin years ago. It comes down to having a plausible story, so the bank can say they did their part (and avoid fines).

Now, consider another point: signature campaigns promoting online casinos. In some countries, this (gambling) might be prohibited.

That's why I stopped promoting casinos the moment Dutch law was changed:

Since CM was taken down, I stopped advertising mixers. And since 2 days ago, the Netherlands no longer allows advertising for gambling sites (including affilates), unless they can prove less than 5% of the players are under 24 years old. I don't like this level of government involvement, but it applies nonetheless.

There are even more sensitive cases. There was a time when mixers were promoted here. How would you explain to a regulator that you received compensation for promoting a mixer - services that, incidentally, are frowned upon by regulators?

To quote the Dutch Fiscal Investigation Service:

A cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal.

Why shouldn't OP consider remote work? Of course, finding such a job comes with certain challenges, but it does provide access to the global labor market.

High paying remote jobs usually requires regular presence on location. I've seen people who moved abroad but kept their old job for a while, then travel twice a week. It'll depend on the distance.

I was very pessimistic before but now I think over it again, UK seems like a good option imo.

I consider the UK lost. Rowan Atkinson on free speech warned them 14 years ago. Now, they arrest 10 times more people for social media posts than Russia, let a stabbing victim die in handcuffs, and arrest someone because he walked home with a baseball bat he bought. And don't get me started on the hundreds of thousands of rapes they covered up. I realize reality is probably not as bad as the internet makes it sound, but there are countries with a better "online" image.

This varies regulators from regulators. But the point is why you got this coins, demonstrating a pattern, demonstrating your works.
OP is able to show that he ceceived these amounts for writing posts on an online forum. I think this is a legitimate activity.

Exactly. It's not illegal to earn Bitcoin from posting on a forum, as long as you pay your taxes on that income.

If ya don't like taxes, I recommend Monero city

Now tell me: how do you buy a car/house/jet with unregistered untaxed money? If I wanted to hide crypto from taxes, I would have done that from the beginning. But long-term, I want to be able to legally use large gains.

Our indecisive (minority) government is still postponing the final decision on these tax changes. The alternative scenario's aren't that good either. Now that I'm looking more into it, I see so many people who want to leave the country, and this tax is just the final drop in a growing list of reasons to leave.

[fillippone]

I quickly skimmed this thread, but I don't see you really considering the obvious choice: Switzerland.

I'm not rich enough for the "lump-sum tax" that was mentioned. Other than that, I expect it to be a very expensive country.

Which lump sum?
If you declare your Bitcoin in Holland and move them to Switzerland, no taxes are required.
You pay taxes only when you sell.
I am not aware of any lump-sum taxes for regular bitcoins.

Food: terrible, but you are Dutch, so you probably don’t get the difference (Lol!).

Lol. I'll have you know we eat great food here, and never drink wine from plastic bottles

Hiwever, Swiss food is worse, also because is far more expensive.

Location: within driving distance of your original base; you could also consider commuting

We're talking 800-1000 km here! That's easy to move, but too far for commuting.

i want to suggest my country Indonesia especially Kura-Kura Bali (special economic Zone)

Thanks, but this to far beyond my comfort zone.

I meant YOU can commute, not on a daily basis ofc, leaving the family in Holland.
I don't know Dutch fiscal regulations, but if it is possible in Italy (seek advice from a pro) where tax agencies have a very broad range of tools to bend the rules, I don't see why it cannot work in your legislation.
Pro and cons on this solution.

[LoyceV]

Which lump sum?

See this post.

If you declare your Bitcoin in Holland and move them to Switzerland, no taxes are required.

I'm actually not so sure about that: if I move to country that taxes realized gains, I should probably realize the gains before moving. So sell and buy back.

I meant YOU can commute, not on a daily basis ofc, leaving the family in Holland.

I'm not moving to a different country without my family. That's just not practical, even if it would work out well financially (on paper).

in Italy (seek advice from a pro) where tax agencies have a very broad range of tools to bend the rules, I don't see why it cannot work in your legislation.

"Bending the rules" with private tax rulings only works for large corporations in the Netherlands.