Do You Actually Verify Provably Fair, or Just Trust the Casino?

[taufik123]

Those of you who might be pro enough in the gambling world probably know about Provably Fair.
For those who don't know, Provably Fair is a technology-based algorithm that allows online randomization to enhance and reach a new level of fairness and transparency.

Nowadays, many online casinos use cryptographic systems to prove that the results they provide are random and not altered before or after a bet is placed, ensuring that the gambling is proven fair.
Duelbits has also written an article about their Provably Fair system and they state that they truly implement Provably Fair.

https://duelbits.com/blog/guide/duelbits-provably-fair-casino

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

I’ve never checked it myself, although I’ve seen people on the forum say they have done so with certain casinos. I just stick to the reputable casinos advertised here and I’ve never had any problems.

[adultcrypto]

I have not tried to very if a casino that claims to be provably fair is actually what they say they are, I still rely more on the reputation of the casino and that have been working fine for me. I have left some casinos because I perceived that they are not operating what they claim and I will not be surprised if someone tries to check them and they will pass yet I still have the feeling that their system is flawed. This means the reputation of the casino is more important and convincing than whatever verification we might do.

[len01]

Of course, the Provably Fair system is something gamblers can use, and high rollers are usually the ones who verify the fairness of the games with it. TBH, though, I rarely check it myself. As long as I'm playing at a reputable casino that offers a Provably fair system, I fully trust it. Unless a casino doesn't provide provably fair, I wouldn't even bother playing there because I'd be concerned that the games could be manipulated.

[taufik123]

I’ve never checked it myself, although I’ve seen people on the forum say they have done so with certain casinos. I just stick to the reputable casinos advertised here and I’ve never had any problems.

But don't always believe casino ads that only appear in a few weeks, let alone a new casino that pops up and then cancels the campaign in just a few weeks.
It is still unverifiable whether it is a fair casino or a casino that will just disappear and take the player's money just like that.

Except for casinos that have been on this forum for quite some time such as Duelbits, Roobet, Rollbit, Stakes etc.
Some claims also say about withdrawal issues and such, but a reputable casino will handle the issue quite well.

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This means the reputation of the casino is more important and convincing than whatever verification we might do.

Yes the reputation of the casino is important especially having an official gambling license from Curacao,
Casinos with such licenses can be trusted, especially added with an explanation about Provably Fair, it is more guaranteed.

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Unless a casino doesn't provide provably fair, I wouldn't even bother playing there because I'd be concerned that the games could be manipulated.

You need to do some checks regarding the license and how the feedback from other players,
if it is a new casino then you need to look at it first and look at the ToS that are on the casino.

[Shishir99]

99.99% of players never check their bets or try to verify using 3rd-party tools. Some casinos do not even provide a verification guide. Most people are just average players, and they do not even know if there is a way to verify their bets. Is it actually possible to verify each bet when you gamble? Some people will find it boring to check each bet. The casinos can change the seed during your gameplay, but you won't notice it if you do not check the old bets and new bets.

Practically, it is not possible to check each of your bet results. So instead of verifying each bet, the players just trust the casino instead. Players hope the casino won't cheat. We don't know the reality. We never know if we got cheated by the casinos.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

Im checking this before the provably fair but over the long run I ignored it and just keep playing when I feel enjoy and has already vibe with the game. Pretty sure some are strict with it and only stick to those with provably fair feature but just like me that curious at first and eventually dont mind in the long run its fine for me.

But this is a solid marketing approach by casino since who dont want a transparent setup right?

[yahoo62278]

I think provably fair can be manipulated. I don't mean that it's giving you false results or you can somehow cheat it, I mean I feel like some casinos can cheat their players. I am not a dev or coder so I have no idea how but I have heard of salted seeds.

As said above I would stick with trusted casinos and feel much safer vs trying some rando new casino. Definitely wanna verify here and there no matter what casino you play on.

[Outhue]

Can you prove provably fair? I can't and all I have is to trust the casino that is choose to gamble on, even if there is a way too prove it you will never know if it's genuine or not, I don't bother getting myself worried because of that, I only have to choose to online casinos that can be trusted based on their past reputation and what reviews says about them online. If I am been asked how my past gambling experience have been on rollbit, Rainbet and stake, I will say it's been a beautiful journey so far, I like what I am getting even though losses is more than my wins.

[Betwrong]

When I only started my gambling activity I used to verify the provably fairness often. Then, after dozens of verifications, every single one of which proved the fairness of the game, I got bored and stopped doing it. I mean, not forever, but at the moment I'm doing it once a year, not more than that.

[eisen33]

Those of you who might be pro enough in the gambling world probably know about Provably Fair.
For those who don't know, Provably Fair is a technology-based algorithm that allows online randomization to enhance and reach a new level of fairness and transparency.

Nowadays, many online casinos use cryptographic systems to prove that the results they provide are random and not altered before or after a bet is placed, ensuring that the gambling is proven fair.
Duelbits has also written an article about their Provably Fair system and they state that they truly implement Provably Fair.

https://duelbits.com/blog/guide/duelbits-provably-fair-casino

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

I've never checked it myself. I mostly rely on the casino's honesty and try to play only at casinos with a good reputation, I avoid questionable casinos whenever possible. Of course, if I were gambling with large amounts of money, I would probably use every available method to verify that the games are fair. But since my gambling budget isn't that big, I don't really think about it and simply choose to trust the casino.

[swogerino]

I just trust the casino because I find it very dangerous for the casino business to advertise itself as provably fair and not being one of such casinos. I know for sure well reputable casinos have such option as advertised because it is verified by a lot of people with those seed things which I am not very knowledgeable about. Bottom line is if the casino advertising itself as a provably fair one should have mechanisms in place to let users verify it, if a casino do not offer such tools or mechanisms just stay away.

[ZeroVinsonN]

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

I’ve never checked it myself, although I’ve seen people on the forum say they have done so with certain casinos. I just stick to the reputable casinos advertised here and I’ve never had any problems.

It does stand to reason that the reputable casinos will be careful to not damage their won image so making sure their systems are random not manipulated in any way will be their sure way to keep their customers in, if people felt that the casinos were cheating them then they probably won't use them again, a casino with no one visiting them is simply a failed investment for the owners, at that point being legit becomes more profitable.

[Ishicryptic]

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

I’ve never checked it myself, although I’ve seen people on the forum say they have done so with certain casinos. I just stick to the reputable casinos advertised here and I’ve never had any problems.

I likewise don't do provably fair, I think that is for pro gamblers and those that are curious whether the casino is being fair or not, for me what I go for is the reputation of a casino. The long lasting casino signature campaigns in this forum can be considered fair in their gambling services because we rarely have complaints about them so to a large extent we can trust them without relying on an external provably fair ratings. I think that gamblers personal experiences in casinos is what most gamblers use to rate casino reputations, if there are too many complains about a casino from gamblers it would affect their reputations and other gamblers would avoid them.

[Cointxz]

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

I don’t verify it manually but I knew there’s always someone that will verify it on their own and post a complaint if there’s something sketchy on casino PF system which is always happening.

Reputable casino will not dare to make their PF system sketchy since it’s an open book for their reputation that already established through marketing and long years of service.

Casino will win regardless if their games are fair or sketchy so it’s best for them not to do shady things.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Yes, the system is actually being used by players, those dedicated players who took gambling very serious, will go to the point of verifying if the game is probably fair or not but I don't check, neither have I checked before, I just believe that as long as am playing on a reputable casino, everything is fine, and if there's something unusual I still wout detect it since I have played in other casinos and I have experience of how things are.

[Zadicar]

Those of you who might be pro enough in the gambling world probably know about Provably Fair.
For those who don't know, Provably Fair is a technology-based algorithm that allows online randomization to enhance and reach a new level of fairness and transparency.

Nowadays, many online casinos use cryptographic systems to prove that the results they provide are random and not altered before or after a bet is placed, ensuring that the gambling is proven fair.
Duelbits has also written an article about their Provably Fair system and they state that they truly implement Provably Fair.

https://duelbits.com/blog/guide/duelbits-provably-fair-casino

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

I dont care up that much about provably fair or check it for myself but rather i do simply stick into those casinos on which the community or the public would really be that playing specially if its a crypto casino then this forum alone would really be enough for you to be able to spot out on which one is being trusted but of course nothing is that guaranteed because even into those known ones ending up on being a scam and thats why it would really be that recommended that we should only that put up the amount on which are intended to be played or used on that gambling session and dont make some all in kind of deposits. What matter most is the credibility but of course always try to make some verification or research as always.

[Charles-Tim]

Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

Not just Duelbits, also Stake and many gambling sites that I have visited before have it. But I am very certain that most gamblers do not check it. What most gamblers are doing is to make use of a reputed gambling site that they think will not cheat them. But that is not a problem because there are few people that will verify if the games are truly provably fair or not.

[TedMosby]

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Is this Provably Fair system actually utilized by players, or is it more often used as a selling point for casinos?

Provably Fair exists, but it just doesn't mean they are fair to the gambler. The system is still favoring the casino overall, and we as gamblers won't have a chance to beat the casino. Provably Fair is just to verify that the outcomes are based on the algorithm, with no cheating from the casino's side. The word "fair" also adds more confidence for newbies because they will think it's not rigged. However, the more we play, we realize that Provably Fair doesn't improve our chances of winning or change the house edge, and we even start questioning whether Provably Fair is really fair or just a gimmick (selling point), especially when you use a strategy like martingale and get a two-digit losing streak

I myself only verified outcomes 2-3 times in my life. The outcomes were verifiable, and I never had different outcomes after verifying them. I believe most of you are just like me too, and don't really care about the "Provably Fair" gimmick anymore. Just because it's verifiable, it doesn't mean the system is fair, right? The casino still has the house edge, and players can still experience two-digits losing streaks. Come on, just let me know the longest losing streak you've ever had in a game with the Provably Fair system

[Somegory]

Bitcoin is obviously the only place where you can invest your money without having to worry about anything, anywhere else comes with a risk of something bad happening to that money.

I have always been skeptical about leaving big money in a online casino account, what if one day they just decide to block my account or made up some stories of something I know nothing about?

Bitcoin wallet is the only thing that doesn't work in a centralised way, so if you are using any online casino big or small always make sure you withdraw your money before walking away.

Probably fair is already a lie because if truly online casino is provably fair they would have lost more money to gamblers and they will be forced to close their business down, casinos have upper hand and that's a fact.