Along the line, The U.S and Iran seem to be enriching themselves!

[CTO114]

When the conflict between the U.S and Iran escalated it was clear, America's stated objective was to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions, weaken it's military capabilities, and restore stability in the Middle East, Iran however framed the conflict as a fight for its sovereignty and a resistance against aggression. This was the story sold to the world.

However when you start to look at the economics, something looks different. Both countries signed the Islamabad Memorandum of understanding, temporarily halting hostilities and creating what the media described as breakthrough for peace. If peace was truly the objective, you would expect both parties to spend that period rebuilding trust, strengthening diplomacy, and reducing tensions. Well that's not the case. Within weeks of the agreement, Iran reportedly exported about 70 million barrels of crude oil worth between $5 billion to $6 billion, taking advantage of the temporary easing of restrictions before uncertainty returned. Which was fully achieved.

The U.S also benefited from the pause. After expending a significant number of long range missiles and military resources during the first phase of the conflict, it suddenly has time to replenish stock piles, reposition assets, and prepare for whatever came next.

Suddenly, something even more interesting happens. Turkey intensified discussions around long delayed F-35 fighter jet negotiations, China and Pakistan strengthened their positions as the key diplomatic bridge between both sides. Kazakhstan moved quickly to secure a 27 year strategic agreement with Iran at Bandar Abass despite growing possibility that hostilities could resume.
Nobody acted like the war was over. Everyone acted like the knew the next chapter.

The question then is: Is this war a pure conflict between two sides or it's an actual orchestrated act to weaken the world in order to benefit a certain few?

[aoluain]

It seems like you left out/dont know/didnt notice the big pink elephant in the room - Israel.

AFAIK any peace deal, cease fire agreement between the US and Iran also includes a suspension
of Israel's activities in Gaza and south lebanon.

The war on Iran was orchestrated by Israel, one they have been trying to start for 39 odd years
and finally Netanyahu convinced Trump to go with his grand plan - that is essentially how/why
the war started. It was on the premise that Iran was weeks away for developing a nuclear weapon,
the same story line Netanyahu has been using for 30 years.

So when the US and Israel got their 4sses handed to them and Iran responded with control of the
strait of Hormuz the reason for continuing it was about the strait.

Iran is the heaviest sanctioned country in the world and has been sanctioned since the 70's so
when they took control of the strait pressure came on the worlds oil prices, Trump actually
didnt react to Iran moving millions of barrels of oil.

So essentially while Iran has been under attack they have become empowered.

The answer to your question based on my description above is that the war is nonsensical,
its based on a 30 year quest by Netanyahu to drag the US into attacking Iran but they have got
waay waay more than they bargained for or forseen.

[JeffBrad12]

The question then is: Is this war a pure conflict between two sides or it's an actual orchestrated act to weaken the world in order to benefit a certain few?

Both are trying to prepare for the breaking of the ceasefire that will eventually happen, these ceasefire has always been fragile and never being held up for long, both party knew and tried to take advantage of the situation, at this point preparing for another war become strategic move and anticipation.

Nobody acted like the war was over. Everyone acted like the knew the next chapter.

Nobody acted like the war was over because ceasfire has been broken so many times you expect it to not be broken this time around? Whenever trump announced ceasefire, week later something happen and everything fell apart. Of course they know the war isn't over at all.

[Rain1620]

It has gotten to the point where when it has to do with geopolitics it’s one way or the other about money, power and position. You’ll come to this understanding when you read but look pass what was written on the headlines, give it a deep thinking, then align it to reality to analyze the feasibility.
Just like you mentioned about Iran succeeding in oil exports and US using the pause. Sometimes things had got nothing to do with  stability, it just seems like a very much calculated business.

In an era where we have corrupt leaders, sometimes don’t even think it’s centralized conspiracy it could just be a limited opportunism. While the citizens are overwhelmed about the war, it could just be that it was a huge business that was planned. and peace? Another strategic move to rebalance the ledger, as deals will be signed in closed doors. The people that has gotten to that level knows the rules in games like this, while the economy humiliates the rest of the world.

[Oshosondy]

The title of the topic is confusing, the United States and Iran are not enriching themselves. Iran has lost so much because of the war. Also United States stockpiles have reduced just because of the war.

The question then is: Is this war a pure conflict between two sides or it's an actual orchestrated act to weaken the world in order to benefit a certain few?

If there is no war, is the world not weaken before? African, most countries in Asia and many other countries like the ones in the Carribean and few other countries are weak before. So I do not think so.

[gomezcecile]

When the conflict between the U.S and Iran escalated it was clear, America's stated objective was to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions, weaken it's military capabilities, and restore stability in the Middle East, Iran however framed the conflict as a fight for its sovereignty and a resistance against aggression. This was the story sold to the world.

However when you start to look at the economics, something looks different. Both countries signed the Islamabad Memorandum of understanding, temporarily halting hostilities and creating what the media described as breakthrough for peace. If peace was truly the objective, you would expect both parties to spend that period rebuilding trust, strengthening diplomacy, and reducing tensions. Well that's not the case. Within weeks of the agreement, Iran reportedly exported about 70 million barrels of crude oil worth between $5 billion to $6 billion, taking advantage of the temporary easing of restrictions before uncertainty returned. Which was fully achieved.

The U.S also benefited from the pause. After expending a significant number of long range missiles and military resources during the first phase of the conflict, it suddenly has time to replenish stock piles, reposition assets, and prepare for whatever came next.

Suddenly, something even more interesting happens. Turkey intensified discussions around long delayed F-35 fighter jet negotiations, China and Pakistan strengthened their positions as the key diplomatic bridge between both sides. Kazakhstan moved quickly to secure a 27 year strategic agreement with Iran at Bandar Abass despite growing possibility that hostilities could resume.
Nobody acted like the war was over. Everyone acted like the knew the next chapter.
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The question then is: Is this war a pure conflict between two sides or it's an actual orchestrated act to weaken the world in order to benefit a certain few?

It's an interesting question, but it's important to distinguish between verified facts and speculation. Wars often create opportunities for different countries and industries to pursue their own strategic interests, but that alone doesn't demonstrate that a conflict was orchestrated.

[Opiate32]

Nobody acted like the war was over because ceasfire has been broken so many times you expect it to not be broken this time around? Whenever trump announced ceasefire, week later something happen and everything fell apart. Of course they know the war isn't over at all.

It’s true that both sides were preparing for the possibility that the ceasefire would not last but what I find interesting is how market react during those pauses even short ceasefire gives government, businesses and investors opportunity to reposition themselves. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the conflict was orchestrated for economic gain but it obviously shows that wars like this have economic winners and losers long before they officially end.

That is why I think it is worth separating military objectives from economic consequences. A conflict can begin for political or security resons while still creating financial opportunities for certain industry and company along the way.

[Mhizlove]

For me, I will say that not every action that happens during or after war means that everything is being planned from the start. You see when the tension reduces even for a little period of time, businesses and countries do usually uses the opportunity protect their own interests. During this time some will strengthens the alliance, some will trade while others will prepare should in case the conflict starts again. Meanwhile it do not automatically mean or prove that whole conflict thing is orchestrated, but it shows that every country is trying to secure the best outcome for itself in a very tense situation.

[programmer3666]

Well, Iran is fighting for their survival, and they have realized that they hold some of the best cards, so enriching themselves along the way is not bad. At the end of the day, every country looks out for its own interest first. Both sides are playing the game smartly. Iran used the pause to sell oil and make billions, while the U.S used the time to restock weapons and reposition. It's like both of them are winning in their own way, even though the public only sees the conflict. And other countries like China are also cashing in on the situation as well.

[Asiska02]

Well, Iran is fighting for their survival, and they have realized that they hold some of the best cards, so enriching themselves along the way is not bad. At the end of the day, every country looks out for its own interest first. Both sides are playing the game smartly. Iran used the pause to sell oil and make billions, while the U.S used the time to restock weapons and reposition. It's like both of them are winning in their own way, even though the public only sees the conflict. And other countries like China are also cashing in on the situation as well.

About a month now since they call on the seize fire, I have not been finding interest to following up with their issues again, because it doesn’t really make any impact like it use to be in the past, everything is now more of political interest than the actual fight. Every country being affected by the war has now found an alternative or have learnt to live by it as they come. Iran and US are two big nations that have all what it takes to go to war, sue for peace and still live to enrich themselves as they want. I am not finding anything interesting about their war again, because it is very obvious they’re using it for another purpose.

[Zlantann]

When the conflict between the U.S and Iran escalated it was clear, America's stated objective was to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions, weaken it's military capabilities, and restore stability in the Middle East, Iran however framed the conflict as a fight for its sovereignty and a resistance against aggression. This was the story sold to the world.

You didn't add that the US wanted to change the leadership of Iran and, if possible, install a friendly or loyal goverment in Iran.

However when you start to look at the economics, something looks different. Both countries signed the Islamabad Memorandum of understanding, temporarily halting hostilities and creating what the media described as breakthrough for peace. If peace was truly the objective, you would expect both parties to spend that period rebuilding trust, strengthening diplomacy, and reducing tensions. Well that's not the case. Within weeks of the agreement, Iran reportedly exported about 70 million barrels of crude oil worth between $5 billion to $6 billion, taking advantage of the temporary easing of restrictions before uncertainty returned. Which was fully achieved.

Some reports said that the war has caused Iran approximately $270bn because of the attack and destruction of critical infrastructure. It is also estimated that about 3,468 to 3,518 Iranians have died and a higher number injured. I want to know the comparison between what has been lost and the amount Iran sold from crude.

The U.S also benefited from the pause. After expending a significant number of long range missiles and military resources during the first phase of the conflict, it suddenly has time to replenish stock piles, reposition assets, and prepare for whatever came next.

Suddenly, something even more interesting happens. Turkey intensified discussions around long delayed F-35 fighter jet negotiations, China and Pakistan strengthened their positions as the key diplomatic bridge between both sides. Kazakhstan moved quickly to secure a 27 year strategic agreement with Iran at Bandar Abass despite growing possibility that hostilities could resume.
Nobody acted like the war was over. Everyone acted like the knew the next chapter.

The question then is: Is this war a pure conflict between two sides or it's an actual orchestrated act to weaken the world in order to benefit a certain few?

According to Iran War Tracker, the US spent about $113bn on the war, and about 17 U.S. service members have lost their lives. It has made Trumps rating to drop, and it might cause Republicans to lose ground in the midterm election. Turkey would have still discussed getting the US  F-35 fighter jet even without the war. Discussions were already ongoing until it was suspended when Turkey purchased the Russian S-400 missile defense system.

This war was a mistake because I don't see any benefits for either side.

[Fortify]

When the conflict between the U.S and Iran escalated it was clear, America's stated objective was to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions, weaken it's military capabilities, and restore stability in the Middle East, Iran however framed the conflict as a fight for its sovereignty and a resistance against aggression. This was the story sold to the world.

However when you start to look at the economics, something looks different. Both countries signed the Islamabad Memorandum of understanding, temporarily halting hostilities and creating what the media described as breakthrough for peace. If peace was truly the objective, you would expect both parties to spend that period rebuilding trust, strengthening diplomacy, and reducing tensions. Well that's not the case. Within weeks of the agreement, Iran reportedly exported about 70 million barrels of crude oil worth between $5 billion to $6 billion, taking advantage of the temporary easing of restrictions before uncertainty returned. Which was fully achieved.

The U.S also benefited from the pause. After expending a significant number of long range missiles and military resources during the first phase of the conflict, it suddenly has time to replenish stock piles, reposition assets, and prepare for whatever came next.

Suddenly, something even more interesting happens. Turkey intensified discussions around long delayed F-35 fighter jet negotiations, China and Pakistan strengthened their positions as the key diplomatic bridge between both sides. Kazakhstan moved quickly to secure a 27 year strategic agreement with Iran at Bandar Abass despite growing possibility that hostilities could resume.
Nobody acted like the war was over. Everyone acted like the knew the next chapter.

The question then is: Is this war a pure conflict between two sides or it's an actual orchestrated act to weaken the world in order to benefit a certain few?

There is an element of having to replenish stockpiles, but Israel and America have probably spent (wasted) the most of all nations.. so it doesn't really compute that they would somehow be profiting from this as a nation. Rather the military industrial complex will get fresh orders and renew their stockpiles, but the average American will pay dearly for very little gained.You also seem to misinterpret the tiny win that Iran got from having a small window to export a backlog of oil with the longer term profits they'd get from having an uninterrupted shipping route. Sure, they made $5 or $6 billion from a week of exports, but they're losing magnitudes more currently with the strait closed both ways. This is where America really wins though, as they become a supplier of choice for oil and this pushes up their own oil profits, that's a dirty game.

[pooya87]

Of course it is an Iranian genius to turn threats into opportunities but your entire opening post is wrong because you read too much propaganda. The fact that you are placing the aggressor and the victim on the same side shows that.

The US regime literally came from the other side of the world from 2 continents over, traveled over 13000 kms to attack a peaceful country that happens to have the largest oil + gas reserves in the world just because they are getting desperate for resources and in order for the US regime to control the world, they need to control its resources.
And that's part of the master plan to weaken China.

The rest of the stuff you said in OP is what the propagandists spread just to hide that fact.

[Chilwell]

Well, Iran is fighting for their survival, and they have realized that they hold some of the best cards, so enriching themselves along the way is not bad. At the end of the day, every country looks out for its own interest first. Both sides are playing the game smartly. Iran used the pause to sell oil and make billions, while the U.S used the time to restock weapons and reposition. It's like both of them are winning in their own way, even though the public only sees the conflict. And other countries like China are also cashing in on the situation as well.

I get your point here the only people that are affected our other nations just like my country because the eye cost of energy which there are painting it on Iran and USA/Israel war, honestly the people that were affected are more than the beneficiary which was the reason why I wanted it to end quickly, because how can the majority be suffering while they enjoyment go today minor. Iran has make a lot in this world which I am very happy that it all ended like this, honestly both of the countries have risk a lot and also have more advantage during the period.

[Ryu_Ar1]

The answer to your question based on my description above is that the war is nonsensical,
its based on a 30 year quest by Netanyahu to drag the US into attacking Iran but they have got
waay waay more than they bargained for or forseen.

True, if we are talking about profit then Israel is the most advantaged here because they can continue their ambitions while making the country that will be considered threatening to fall by itself as a result of prolonged war. They are good at using momentum because the United States and Iran have a bad relationship due to the Embargo that has been going on long enough so that it makes it easier for them to burst the bubble that has been growing for decades between Iran and the United States.

We can even see that when the MoU that almost happened became chaotic because Israel did not want it and made the ceasefire that lasted ended and this did not just happen once.
Now the MOU is threatened to be canceled because apart from Trump who is not concerned with the reason that is always the same "nuclear development" which is still always used as the main reason now Iran is also ready to be in War mode again.

[dansus021]

It seems like you left out/dont know/didnt notice the big pink elephant in the room - Israel.

AFAIK any peace deal, cease fire agreement between the US and Iran also includes a suspension
of Israel's activities in Gaza and south lebanon.

Opps aoluain was 1000% right any peace deal and all this freaking war all happen because of Israel, I mean if Israel didnt start the war maybe we still living in peace, they starting the war and drag US government into it and now all over the world is suffering because oil price keep getting high.

US in my opinion should stop because if they stop Iran also stop the attack and of course the ISRAEL should stop attacking lebanon or other iran proxy in the area.

enriching themselves hmm I dont think so I mean us and Iran both have plenty of oil but they also suffer from the war including bleeding billion of dollar cash to fuel the war so WAR only enrich some people but not the whole government

[Darker45]

Obviously, this isn't a pure conflict between two sides. There might even be more than a handful of sides involved. What's clear is that this isn't about stopping one nation's nuclear ambitions. Far from it, although it's the most convenient alibi.

Yeah, economics must be very much involved, but not in a sense that the two countries are getting into a dirty and deadly war to improve their respective economies. That sounds ridiculous. Iran is certainly losing from this. The US is probably eyeing net positive in the end. It's losing in the short term, but that's probably treated as investment that would eventually bear fruits.

But more than economics, there must also be other strong factors involved. Geopolitics must be one. There might even be religious underpinnings. I even believe the timing was intentional so as to sway the growing serious attention of the entire world and the media from the disgusting contents of the Epstein files.

[Coyster]

Within weeks of the agreement, Iran reportedly exported about 70 million barrels of crude oil worth between $5 billion to $6 billion, taking advantage of the temporary easing of restrictions before uncertainty returned. Which was fully achieved.

You do not seem to understand the intricacies of a war, if this is what you call enriching themselves. You would have to put losses side by side with the supposed revenue you believe both parties have garnered during the course of the war, then compare it to be either net positive or net negative.

Iran has lost a lot and still continue to lose as the war rages on, and you believe the amount you have mentioned above translates to enriching themselves, you must be kidding. Likewise the U.S., they are spending billions to fund this war, and their allies and facilities in the Middle East have also been hit hard, plus service men they have lost thus far. All of these counts toward losses and it ridiculous to believe that either party is enriching itself admist this destruction ongoing.

[Kelward]

There is no amount of gains that you can attribute to a war that would make it lucrative, human lives and peace are far more important than any gains that can result from a war, a few marchants would surely gain but where a vast majority doesn't benefit we cannot generally say that a war is enriching. In situations of wars and conflicts every party would be looking for ways to cut their loses and any means shouldn't be seen as something that they take delight in making gains because their loses should far outweigh whatever gains that there would be. As far as I know Iran and US are recording huge loses both human lives and resources, any gains are just spills from massive loses that they are enduring. Any other countries that are would benefit indirectly are just opportunists.

[ultrloa]

Of course it is an Iranian genius to turn threats into opportunities but your entire opening post is wrong because you read too much propaganda. The fact that you are placing the aggressor and the victim on the same side shows that.

The US regime literally came from the other side of the world from 2 continents over, traveled over 13000 kms to attack a peaceful country that happens to have the largest oil + gas reserves in the world just because they are getting desperate for resources and in order for the US regime to control the world, they need to control its resources.
And that's part of the master plan to weaken China.

The rest of the stuff you said in OP is what the propagandists spread just to hide that fact.

We could see at that point is US is not actually defending their territory. They are crossing far regions to which does not posses huge danger unto them.

Its easy to know their motive towards the country which have huge energy reserves. Since they will not travel that far if they are not going after for something in Iran. Also yeah trying to weaken the future access of energy of China is one big part of their plans.

That's why many agree on the action done by Iran as defensive response towards the interference done by US also Israel and not as equal or the same aggression.