Has ai changed the way you merit?

[MarryWithBTC]

I recently came across a unexpectedly good post from a newbie. My first instinct was to send merit, but i hesitated. Instead, I visited the user's profile to see whether the quality of that post was consistent with their previous contributions. My restrain is probably because the rise of ai generated posts on the forum.

This has made me realize that ai may not only be changing the behavior of those who abuse the forum, but also the behavior of every other members who evaluate posts.

This left me with two questions;

• If you come across a high-quality post from a lower-ranked member, do you merit it immediately or do you first check their posting history?
• Do you think looking at a user's history is a form of due diligence or should merit be based solely on the quality of the individual post?

[_act_]

I will first look at the newbie profile to know some information and the people that have given him merits. If no reputable users have given him merits and I am suspecting if he used AI but which I can easily suspect, I will use 3 or 4 AI detection tools to easily know if it is AI or not AI. I will also check for plagiarism. AI and plagiarized posts are often looking suspicious.

You can use these tools for AI check.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0

[Upgrade00]

Potentially AI generated posts always come of as out of place in the thread I find them in and never really deserving of merits. They could only look right when it's a thread you're starting, but when replying to a discussion, it's easier to spot.

My suspicion before I give merits that prompts me to check the post history is plagiarism, if itsbdifferent from what the user writes regularly and how they write I may cross reference it with available content online to knownifbits was just copied and pasted.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

• If you come across a high-quality post from a lower-ranked member, do you merit it immediately or do you first check their posting history?

I only check the post for AI, not just for newbie accounts, but for everyone. If the post is too perfectly written, then I will have to check the post with AI detectors to ensure the reward is for valuable contribution from good effort and not just one from poor effort and an AI slop.

• Do you think looking at a user's history is a form of due diligence or should merit be based solely on the quality of the individual post?

I don't really check profile before I merit because I believe anyone has the possibility of improving the quality of their contribution at anytime, so I based my judgment on current post, but I always do check for AI before sending any merit. Most very new profiles use AI a lot and that is the reason I almost don't send any to them.

[Lucius]

I recently came across a unexpectedly good post from a newbie.
~snip~

Maybe this post?

It currently has 120 merits and I have checked it with a couple of AI detectors which show that it is 100% Ai generated content. The conclusion is clear, none of the merits senders have checked whether it is about AI and whether the story has any real basis or is just a fabrication. So far, that user has not provided any proof that he is a victim, so the conclusion is very clear.

[Alvin_talk]

AFAIK most senior members have mistakenly merited these AI garbages some users spread around especially in the technical board but I guess they have learnt their lessons now. Another important thing to note is that this behaviour is not only peculiar to newbies, even some senior members here post with the aid of AI. You can go through nultidah thread to feed your eyes.

Once everything looks too accurate (grammar, punctuation, etc) I definitely check before meriting, but the problem is that the tools available are not so accurate especially with the introduction of humanizers, users now refine the ai generated junk and ai detectors are unable to identify these junks because it has been modified by a humanizer. The irony of the whole situation is thesame companies that introduced ai detectors are thesame companies humanizing these posts too, what a hypocrisy.

[MarryWithBTC]

I will first look at the newbie profile to know some information and the people that have given him merits. If no reputable users have given him merits and I am suspecting if he used AI but which I can easily suspect, I will use 3 or 4 AI detection tools to easily know if it is AI or not AI. I will also check for plagiarism. AI and plagiarized posts are often looking suspicious.

You can use these tools for AI check.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0

Good to know that checking the profile is not a hash habit. I do not think that checking if they have been merited by a reputable member is supposed to form a strong yardstick. You could actually be the first reputable member to send merit. There is possibility that no reputable member has seen their post, and meriting based on other people's opinion might not be a good idea. I am just saying generally.

I recently came across a unexpectedly good post from a newbie.
~snip~

Maybe this post?

It currently has 120 merits and I have checked it with a couple of AI detectors which show that it is 100% Ai generated content. The conclusion is clear, none of the merits senders have checked whether it is about AI and whether the story has any real basis or is just a fabrication. So far, that user has not provided any proof that he is a victim, so the conclusion is very clear.

I wouldn't ask how or a coincidence. I call it experience.

It got me thinking whether it was a real life experience narrated to ai and told it to tell emotions into the story. It was so real and emotional and there is no enough post history to evaluate.

...The irony of the whole situation is thesame companies that introduced ai detectors are thesame companies humanizing these posts too, what a hypocrisy.

lol, it is just like the youtube inevitable trick. Pay to bypass ads, and then pay to post ads

[lovesmayfamilis]

I recently came across a unexpectedly good post from a newbie.
~snip~

Maybe this post?

It currently has 120 merits and I have checked it with a couple of AI detectors which show that it is 100% Ai generated content. The conclusion is clear, none of the merits senders have checked whether it is about AI and whether the story has any real basis or is just a fabrication. So far, that user has not provided any proof that he is a victim, so the conclusion is very clear.

Emotions have taken over here, although among those who have given merits, there are people who know what skepticism is. AI has become a good storyteller today, and people believe in its tales even without verifying their authenticity.

I didn't read the whole story, but anyone who talks about their loss will be asking for donations😿 in the near future. And if there are people who believe in his story, he may believe that he can profit from this situation.

I will always check posts for AI involvement, as I don't rush to conclusions, knowing that people are good at lying and their desire to deceive others often "runs ahead of themselves."

[Rikafip]

If you come across a high-quality post from a lower-ranked member, do you merit it immediately or do you first check their posting history?

Since I am not a merit source and rarely have more than a few sMerit to share at any given moment, I do usually check low rank member post history. It might sound like a hassle, but (un)fortunately, we don't have too many quality new members showing up, so its not a problem.

[Hatchy]

It currently has 120 merits and I have checked it with a couple of AI detectors which show that it is 100% Ai generated content. The conclusion is clear, none of the merits senders have checked whether it is about AI and whether the story has any real basis or is just a fabrication. So far, that user has not provided any proof that he is a victim, so the conclusion is very clear.

The account obviously doesn't have any history, he created it just to share his feelings on the cold card theft that happened. Such accounts are just passerby someone who wanted to ask a question or just like the user shared his opinions and not staying on the forum. These people might not be aware of the forum rules against the use of Ai, also might even be a non English speakers who wanted to put his words out and make them straightforward or through. In such cases many might not consider checking if it was Ai generated.

There are times you can literally tell when a post is Ai generated without putting too much efforts but just for evidence sake you have to proof using tools. I still remember then it was even easier to know because some dump newbie would just copy paste the words written by the Ai and post. But now Ai is becoming more cunny that you might be able to tell it to make the post not look like an Ai generated text. Only deep Ai advance checker like those we use on the forum would be able to detect such cases.

[notocactus]

My restrain is probably because the rise of ai generated posts on the forum.

Have you ever used AI for your posts?
Your first post looks to be AI. Not 100% certain but some AI checkers show that it is AI or partially AI.

I do not think that checking if they have been merited by a reputable member is supposed to form a strong yardstick. You could actually be the first reputable member to send merit. There is possibility that no reputable member has seen their post, and meriting based on other people's opinion might not be a good idea. I am just saying generally.

Is it a trap advice for reputable members?

Because I saw many shitposts or topics created, then wait for a first reputable member or two/three reputable members dropping a merit or merits, then farmers use it like a quality mark and they can do their jobs without fear. If anyone complains, they will say, there is or are reputatable members merited this post or thread, and I did not do anything wrong. This is what I saw many times with abnormal posts and threads that received many merit.

I see it is how they cleverly took advantage of reputable members and hope that it won't be abused further.

I'm still thinking about ways to resolve this issue, possibly involving rejiggering how merit works.

[Lucius]

~snip~
I didn't read the whole story, but anyone who talks about their loss will be asking for donations😿 in the near future. And if there are people who believe in his story, he may believe that he can profit from this situation.

Look at the profile of the user in question and you will see that it contains a BTC address. This person knows that begging on the forum is forbidden, so he puts the address in his profile. I asked him to sign the address from which the coins were stolen, but that still hasn't happened.

There's more, some merit abusers are clearly taking advantage of the situation to pump up their alt accounts.

(@OLDBOY 003 //  @Akuma_ )

[Rikafip]

There's more, some merit abusers are clearly taking advantage of the situation to pump up their alt accounts.

That post reeks of AI use. And it's even more obvious what's going on when you compare it with his other posts (he has only few though) as there is an obvious difference in the level of English used.

[adultcrypto]

Sending merit to AI generated post can be very painful but it does happen because it is extremely difficult to check every post before sending merits. Some AI generated post does not usually appear like AI especially when the author do some twerking to deceive readers, in such case, it becomes difficult to know that the posts were generated through AI. AI generated posts are just like plagiarism that is forbidden anywhere in the world. I remembered the case of Ratimov who later changed his name to Symmetrick, he was famous for creating very interesting topics but unfortunately, plagiarized lost of them. I'm sure people who poured merits in some of those his post regretted giving those merits but there was nothing they could do. This is the same regret anyone should feel when they merit posts that are AI generated.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I'm surprised the usual reply that always pops up in these threads hasn't appeared: 'merit is about quality, you should merit the post if it is of enough quality regardless' or some shit like that. And then, that post is merited.

The truth is that, especially of late, I’ve been wary of posts – particularly from newbies or lower-ranked members – that are very well written; the first thing I do is check their profile to see if they have any tags and verify whether what they’ve written has been generated by AI. If the content has been written by a chatbot and then copied and pasted here, I’m certainly not going to give it any merit, and even so, the odd one slips through the net sometimes.

[Ambatman]

• If you come across a high-quality post from a lower-ranked member, do you merit it immediately or do you first check their posting history?

I don't often really read a newbies response though
Especially by newbies without merit
Yeah trying to work on it but I don't usually have high expectations.

The conclusion is clear, none of the merits senders have checked whether it is about AI and whether the story has any real basis or is just a fabrication. So far, that user has not provided any proof that he is a victim, so the conclusion is very clear.

Nope. I was among the merit sender
Even if I'm usually skeptical to stories stated in the forum
Whether it was true or not what I knew was that there's a victim out there facing similar situation.
Or maybe we just got emotional
I'm not really the best at recognising AI generated posts though.[/list]

[Shishir99]

In most cases, AI-generated text can be identified by reading just a few lines. If the post is too long and too formal, I sometimes doubt it and then run it through the AI content checker. Sometimes AI-generated content has merits because the posts contain some good information, and the sender does not always verify the content with the AI content checker. If I see the posts from high-ranked users, I usually don't doubt them. As for newbies, I actually doubt and check their profile before I send merits.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I was about to send merit last night to a newer user who had made a good remark in a Meta board topic, but after I checked their post on an AI detector, it said that it was AI that had been humanized. Most other posts in their history were also detected as AI. Unfortunately, there are too many people who are abusing AI and humanizers on this forum. Even some users that appear to be making an honest effort to rank up can end up surprising you.

I try to help out lower ranking users whenever I can, but the proliferation in AI and account farms has made it harder to pick out genuinely good newbie and low ranking users among the crowd of AI spammers and alt accounts.

[dkbit98]

No.
It's possible that more forum members are using AI than ever, but I am not sending merits so easily.
Having someone creating a new post will wall of text is just another red flag for me.

[Btcdeybodi]

Yeah, if a post is too constructive, well articulated and punctuation are almost too perfect, your third eye should be able to tell you that this is not human written words.

I know that not everyone have that luxury of time to be using AI detectors to check if a post is AI generated before sending out merits to any posts, but in this generation of Artificial Intelligence, one needs to be very conscious of what they read and be able to sense out an AI generated content.

However, looking out to those who uses AI generated texts should not be subjective to newbies alone because some higher ranks are also too lazy to write their own words.