BIP-110 Split

[stompix]

Failing that kind of live calibration they could instead take the recent hashrate on their fork (about 7 EH per ocean stats), convert that to power usage (about 100 MW conservatively), then convert that to hashrate with the asics available for their new work function (works out to maybe 500 PH).   It might still be way off, but it could be a starting point for a system that could recover on its own.   If they're not able to get 100MW on their "real bitcoin" they can't really sustain those claims.

No way in hell are there at least 10k ASICs from 2018-2019 able to mine on blacke2b still working on this entire planet and no way in hell is Goldshell being able to pump out 20-30k SC5 units right now, you have to pay those fabs in advance now and still wait in line  and by the time you have the chips there might be no buyers.

They will put a target at a maximum of 1.5x the total hash rate available now for Sia, which is about 10Ph/s and maybe even lower than, I mean, you can't be dumb enough to risk a force adjustment and end up with a stalled chain again....

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-Dave

So, any method to get these inscribed in a block (when it's mined) on their spam-free chain?  

[DaveF]

Since they are forking to another algo to mine and making other changes can we please move all of the 110 discussions to the altcoin sections now?

Who remembers how the Bitcoin Cash discussion evolved here? Did it initially take place in the main sections, and then all BCH-related threads were moved to Alternative Cryptocurrencies? Or were new threads created there, while the old ones in the Bitcoin sections just gradually died down?

More or less were always in altcoin section:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2061984.0

So, any method to get these inscribed in a block (when it's mined) on their spam-free chain?  

Many, just about all inscriptions will work with 110. Would wait for them to get the chain moving and then you can split your coins and spend them to push images into the 110 blocks. But there is probably going to be a lot of competition to do it.

Probably the only thing that is really going to be happening on it since nobody outside of lukes group seem to even care about it.

-Dave

[gmaxwell]

They will put a target at a maximum of 1.5x the total hash rate available now for Sia, which is about 10Ph/s and maybe even lower than, I mean, you can't be dumb enough to risk a force adjustment and end up with a stalled chain again....

They're not using SIA's hashfunction: their (presumably rigged) selection selected blake2b. Sia previously hardforked to move off blake2b to blake2b-sia.  I think the goldshell miners you mentioned are blake2b-sia only though there are blake2b asics from before the sia hardfork (and I think some other altcoins).  

As far as it being on-topic, the split issues e.g. fork point, replay protection or lack there of are of interest, particularly as we may need to give advice on how to not lose your bitcoins dumping this stuff assuming it ever gets any exchange support or a market price.

On that subject: they're going with the original fork point so it launched without any replay protection at all, and it sounds like they're going to only implement one-way optional replay protection with a specific and express goal of disrupting bitcoin users.  Of course, this greatly increases the odds that it never has meaningful economic value or exchange adoption.

[pooya87]

Considering how things developed (no replay protection, no exchange listing, etc.) I've got a feeling that they might have gotten caught up inside their own "echo-chambers" that became delusional enough to think that the Bitcoin community would just abandon its own principles and accept their malicious ultra-minority chain as the "Bitcoin Chain"!

Now that they're out of the echo-chamber, they're beginning to face reality with their shit-chain stuck.

[Danish Ali]

Now that they're out of the echo-chamber, they're beginning to face reality with their shit-chain stuck.

There is one thing I would point out in that comparison, though, this is not quite the same failure mode as the Bitcoin Cash split was. At least BCH did try to get exchange listings early – as pointed out in this thread (pooya87), and if you think about it, they should have done what Bcash did, an exchange listing before the split, not after.

What they did not do is even make that effort, as per gmaxwell comment above, they did not do any proper replay protection, and one way replay protection was designed to aggravate bitcoin users. It is not a movement an “echo chamber” just falls into, it feels like the chain was more conceived as a tool for disruption, and a usable financial asset comes second, if at all.

So the "facing reality" moment is not about their perception that community will not accept them, but it is because there is one door BCH was able to walk through, and they just could not credibly walk through that same door. Combined with the statement earlier about PoW mathematically removing the possibility to ‘course-correct' back to any previous state once the split has been made, it is not a ‘chain' that can ‘course-correct' its way out in the end, the ‘course-correct' was not in the design.

[DaveF]

They will put a target at a maximum of 1.5x the total hash rate available now for Sia, which is about 10Ph/s and maybe even lower than, I mean, you can't be dumb enough to risk a force adjustment and end up with a stalled chain again....

They're not using SIA's hashfunction: their (presumably rigged) selection selected blake2b. Sia previously hardforked to move off blake2b to blake2b-sia.  I think the goldshell miners you mentioned are blake2b-sia only though there are blake2b asics from before the sia hardfork (and I think some other altcoins).  

As far as it being on-topic, the split issues e.g. fork point, replay protection or lack there of are of interest, particularly as we may need to give advice on how to not lose your bitcoins dumping this stuff assuming it ever gets any exchange support or a market price.

On that subject: they're going with the original fork point so it launched without any replay protection at all, and it sounds like they're going to only implement one-way optional replay protection with a specific and express goal of disrupting bitcoin users.  Of course, this greatly increases the odds that it never has meaningful economic value or exchange adoption.

A discussion on how to avoid loosing coins may be appropriate in the BTC sections.  Probably start the post with a guide or two on how to do it and then options and help. But, not anything else all this discussion although enjoyable should be in the alt section. 

As I said Greg, you are a better person then me. Let the 110 people loose it all.

I don't care anymore. Let the 110 users loose everything and live homeless under a bridge.

As for the blake2b, yeah the original ASICs for that are probably 8+ years old at this point with some newer ones coming out over the years. One of them be it luke or one of his people probably got a great deal from someplace on them since at this point they really are only used for some tiny worthless alts. Which when you think about it is what 110 is.

Enjoy the weekend all. Go outside, touch some grass, relax. It's been a week since they forked off, 110 is now just a zombie corpse, let the 110 supporters spend the weekend posting memes on X and Reddit. We don't really have to think about them anymore.

-Dave