Is Xal0lex fit to be a moderator?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I’m asking. I didn’t know anything about this bloke; burt I just remember complaints about him, and then he turns up in one of my threads – where I’m trying to keep my local board clean – accusing me of having a hidden agenda. As you can see from here on, he starts arguing with me in a completely immature way – something I hadn’t seen from a moderator in nearly 10 years on the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589772.msg67027906#msg67027906

All the moderators I can remember commenting on threads do so in a neutral, dispassionate, and elegant manner. And this bloke is in charge of moderating the politics section? Lol.

[Karl_3000]

Is it about Xal0lex fit to be a moderator for politics and society or you have a complaint to make which is not related to how he is moderating politics and society.

P.S. I'm not defending anyone, just stating a fact.

You’re basically being an idiot, but thanks for giving me another service to complain about.

I am posting on politics and society board very well. Xal0lex can be harsh for locking topics and referring people to post on the existing topic that is the same because he does not want many topics to be posted about the same thing. There was a thread that he told me to provide the link to my claim which is good and I did that. I like how politics and society board is because he is a good moderator there.

[un_rank]

Looks to me like he was discussing with you as a forum member, not in the status of being a moderator. On that, I disagree with his argument that focusing on something spamming your local board means you have a personal agenda with that.
Moderators should still be allowed to have personal opinions which can be controversial. If he had been discussing whether the thread that was initially in question should be deleted or not, i'll be worried about them being fit.

As you can see from here on, he starts arguing with me in a completely immature way – something I hadn’t seen from a moderator in nearly 10 years on the forum.

To be fair  you both argued in that manner. You started off calling him an idiot in your response and swore in the next.

- Jay -

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Looks to me like he was discussing with you as a forum member, not in the status of being a moderator.

The way I see it when you wear that badge

Xal0lex
Staff
Legendary

There is no separation.

Can you imagine theymos arguing with people ever time there is a complaint? Imagine him accusing people in the threads of having a hidden agenda, getting drawn into trading insults, etc., 'just' as a forum member, not as an administrator.

On that, I disagree with his argument that focusing on something spamming your local board means you have a personal agenda with that.

Anyone with more than two brain cells can see that.

[Charcol]

I’m asking. I didn’t know anything about this bloke; burt I just remember complaints about him, and then he turns up in one of my threads – where I’m trying to keep my local board clean – accusing me of having a hidden agenda. As you can see from here on, he starts arguing with me in a completely immature way – something I hadn’t seen from a moderator in nearly 10 years on the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589772.msg67027906#msg67027906

You are making a mistake, he did not accuse you but wanted to know why you are bothering to delete the thread.

Can I ask a question? I'm just wondering why you're so insistent on deleting topics specifically to these services? Maybe they caused you some harm?

You may have a good reason to delete that post. Paying attention to something like spamming on your local board does not mean you are seeking a personal interest, although I agree with you on that. But as a moderator he has the right to question you. There he just threw a question at you. But you probably took that as an accusation and started arguing with him for the first time, calling him stupid. We will see what happens next. With all due respect to you, you were not accused but rather asked.@Don Pedro Dinero Best wishes to you, thank you for your understanding.

[eaLiTy]

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All the moderators I can remember commenting on threads do so in a neutral, dispassionate, and elegant manner. And this bloke is in charge of moderating the politics section? Lol.

As far as I can see, you raised your opinion about deleting a certain service from the Spanish section, and Xal0lex asked you a question on why you think that is necessary. Things went off the rails after that, so I'm not going to comment on it.

Your response is that it is probably automatically translated. However, you need to be certain that it is a bad translation or a poorly done job to have it removed from your regional board. A moderator will not necessarily act on uncertainty.

Every moderator has their own opinion, as they are individuals with unique viewpoints. Since you are too focused on precedent, look at Lauda aka LaudaM. He was a moderator here, and he would have shredded you with his opinion if you think staff should always remain neutral and elegant. 

[MarryWithBTC]

Unless there's a rift between you guys in another thread, if it was all in the thread you referenced, Xal0lex asked a question. Even if you perceived that his question wasn't neutral, you would have given him the benefit of doubt my responding without an insult in the first response.

Just that you saw him as a forum moderator magician that was supposed to know your good intentions to clean the forum without questioning.

Moderators are forum users, and they shouldn't always carry their moderation badge and ego around the whole forum, which is the reason why out of their moderation zone, they are named staff. They have their individual opinions outside their board of assignment.

Concerning being called out as a moderator - Politics and society board is a controversial board, no one will moderate there without being call out, if not because of Russia/Ukraine, it will be US/Iran/Israel, etc

[Doan9269]

Looks to me like he was discussing with you as a forum member, not in the status of being a moderator.

The way I see it when you wear that badge

Xal0lex
Staff
Legendary

There is no separation.

Can you imagine theymos arguing with people ever time there is a complaint? Imagine him accusing people in the threads of having a hidden agenda, getting drawn into trading insults, etc., 'just' as a forum member, not as an administrator.

On that, I disagree with his argument that focusing on something spamming your local board means you have a personal agenda with that.

Anyone with more than two brain cells can see that.

I will like to seek your indulgence on this Don Pedro Dinero to let go, sometimes we get people interpret what we are projecting the wrong way, am not saying this applies to the case here, but just know that anything could spark a misunderstanding between two people especially when they both don't have the same view on a particular discussion, everyone tends to present his own approach and sees the other one has been wrong.

Sometimes you discover the newbies saying that the forum is hard to understand, members attacking them with criticizing words and so on, which is how they may feel but that wasn't how the actual condition is, let's just take it that forum is for fun and sometimes we may need to argue some things with each other and still come back in place as members of the community.

Sometimes I do see myself as someone who might have even stepped on others unknowingly, and that is life for you, people got provoked about you even on what you don't know you did to them, but when things like this happen, it is in the best of interest to ensure that both sides got the right intervention and everyone go amicably without hurting each other.

[Revolution2025]

op permit me to say that you are a dumb ass nigga

you just shoot yourself in your tiny legs

you better lock this thread before more people will get to see your stupidity.

theymos need to withdraw merit source benefit from you because you are not fit to be a merit source

you are a troll and a saddist

By the way, how does this relate to the theme?

Do I have to explain it to you as if you were a small child? Anyone with more than two brain cells – which is what you’ve got – understands that a moderator represents the forum and shouldn’t get involved in pointless arguments about things that are none of their business. If you’re stirring things up in a thread like this, I don’t even want to imagine how you moderate the politics section.

Well, yeah, I'm a rubbish moderator, but you, of course, would be the greatest moderator ever.

That sort of statement, coming from a moderator – who’s supposed to be neutral and impartial – just goes to show what I was telling you earlier about your two brain cells (and that you use one of them just to stop yourself from shitting yourself).

And I'm doing my job, don't worry about it.

No, you are not doing your job, you are doing the opposite. You are creating unnecessary controversy. If you find spam in the Spanish section, just delete it. And if you can't (I don't know if you can't) report it so other moderators can delete it but don't come here stirring the pot.

Can I ask a question? I'm just wondering why you're so insistent on deleting topics specifically to these services?

Because they are rubbish that give zero value to the local board.

Maybe they caused you some harm?

Lol.

Because you have other topics there that were most likely written (translated) using AI, for example, this one:

You have no idea what you are talking about. Posts written by humans and translated using AI give zero to low AI generated content in detectors.

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Why aren't you complaining about this topic?

Maybe because the first post is from August 4, 2026, whereas Marmelada's first post is back from March and I paid attention Allo-obmen because people in the thread talked about it.

P.S. I'm not defending anyone, just stating a fact.

You’re basically being an idiot, but thanks for giving me another service to complain about.

I've just reported the three rubbish threads of that service btw. Let's see if I am lucky with the moderator lottery.

So the deletion depends on a subjective criterion more like a lottery

Afaik, that's how post deletion always worked around here.  

So I'm right.

You’re more like a moron. I didn’t realise they accepted morons as moderators. Aren’t you the moderator who’s had several complaints about you on Meta? I’m not surprised. I can’t recall a single one about Welsh, yet I remember several about you. If you see ulterior motives in someone who’s trying to clean up his local forum, I’m not surprised.

No, I haven’t used any of that rubbish, you idiot.

A hurt child.

A child is a rubbish moderator who, instead of doing his job, gets into an argument with someone who’s trying to keep his local forum clean.

You're welcome.

Go fuck yourself, you idiot.

[Lucius]

I’m asking. I didn’t know anything about this bloke; burt I just remember complaints about him, and then he turns up in one of my threads – where I’m trying to keep my local board clean – accusing me of having a hidden agenda.
~snip~

He's definitely someone who has a very high opinion of himself, but that shouldn't surprise you considering he has the full support of the admin even when he's proven completely wrong. He also shows a high degree of disrespect towards anyone who dares to question his moderation - because he is the big boss behind the sledgehammer, and the rest of us are, as he puts it, kids.

My advice to you is to forget about this, because otherwise you will get advice to find another forum if you don't like this one.

[Mia Chloe]

I’m asking. I didn’t know anything about this bloke; burt I just remember complaints about him, and then he turns up in one of my threads – where I’m trying to keep my local board clean – accusing me of having a hidden agenda. As you can see from here on, he starts arguing with me in a completely immature way – something I hadn’t seen from a moderator in nearly 10 years on the forum.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589772.msg67027906#msg67027906-
All the moderators I can remember commenting on threads do so in a neutral, dispassionate, and elegant manner. And this bloke is in charge of moderating the politics section? Lol.

One crazy thing about this forum is every once in a while we are gonna get drama and i get i'm gonna count this as one of them. Well back to topic, your thread content would have matched the title if only you had real reasons he is not fit to be a moderator but reading through your thread i see personal issues.

I know there is total free will on this forum and the internet as a whole but one thing I try to urge is the way you pass your message across to someone. Sometimes here we get unnecessarily rude in minute cases where you can just air an opinion without sounding offensive. anyways that's just my 2 cents.

[Rhow]

I was reading your discussion when you were discussing it. When you called Xal0lex an idiot, I knew something was going to happen. From what I know about Xal0lex, he often takes a stand against spam. I think theymos is a pretty smart guy. If Xal0lex wasn't qualified to be a moderator, theymos wouldn't have put him in this position. So we'd be fooling ourselves if we said whether Xal0lex is actually qualified to be a moderator. I've seen him identify and take action against many spam threads many times. The most important thing is that he is quite active and responsible in the forum. I think it would be better if you didn't go any further on this issue. Because I don't think he is at fault for what you are accusing him of. Don't get me wrong, you are a smart guy. So you should have thought more about opening a thread on this issue.

[IceLincoln]

Actually there’s nothing in your OP to suggest or prove Xal0lex unfit to be a moderator. There’s nothing happening in your referenced thread other than two people arguing and you decided to go off the rails by the name calling and insults. Maybe you rate moderators too high and forget they’re humans and may have differing opinions even the ones we might think is below them OR you have other issues with him which is not referenced here.
You can calmly let this go or resolve your issues as Adults without the insults.

[Sandra_hakeem]

So this whole problem began with different accounts (what looks to be operated by a bot according to the allegations) spamming in the Spanish local board, totally not interested in interacting or at the very least, giving viable responses on their service codes if I'm correct??Then you made a report...I'm confused on how or what made you began to disparage him like that (which was totally uncalled for) but I think he should have done the right thing.

My advice to you is to forget about this, because otherwise you will get advice to find another forum if you don't like this one.

Oh you haven't gotten over what Theymos replied you? Get over it mate. Although I had a perfect understanding of what he said, it's okay for you not to. Now this is clearly a different case altogether.

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Xal0lex
Staff
Legendary

There is no separation.

is Welsh no more the moderator for the Spanish LB?

[un_rank]

The way I see it when you wear that badge
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There is no separation.

Can you imagine theymos arguing with people ever time there is a complaint? Imagine him accusing people in the threads of having a hidden agenda, getting drawn into trading insults, etc., 'just' as a forum member, not as an administrator.

I think there should be one. They wete all forum members before assuming their role, theymos included. They are still allowed to be the person behind the screen and not fit into their job description. If a user is willing to trade insults with them, nothing should stop them from obliging. What I expect is quality judgement in most situations and neutrality, as much as is possible.

is Welsh no more the moderator for the Spanish LB?

He still is to the best of my knowledge.

- Jay -

[Ambatman]

I would support your stance until this

You’re basically being an idiot, but thanks for giving me another service to complain about

I believe this was where everything escalated
Your response up-to this point was spot on by the way but this feels uncalled for.
Flamewar doesn't really speak good about anyone no matter who's right.