You Don't Need KYC to Lose $10,000. But You May Need It to Withdraw $11,000

[Tungbulu]

If a jurisdiction is prohibited, shouldn't the platform be expected to identify and block the player before accepting the deposit, rather than discovering the issue only when the player tries to cash out?

Many players from restricted locations have successfully used a casino by turning on VPN and even cashout their wins. Do you think that the casino just allowed them to be successful? No. It is because the casino was not aware that they were using VPN. I don't know how the casino system works to detect VPN cheats, but I believe that it is not that easy recognising that someone is playing with VPN, reason some gamblers get away with it. It may probably take one small error for the casino to recognise a cheat. There is nothing like an unfair treatment here, the casino has a list of restricted countries which the gamblers are aware of. Deciding to use VPN means you are willing to take the risks

The thing is, not every online casinos are against the use of VPNs, some casinos out there are actually VPN friendly, so even if they manage to detect that a user is using VPN to access their casino, they wouldn’t react in anyway or punish the player.
I believe a lot of players from countries that restrict access to gambling sites often look for these casinos that are VPN friendly to avoid being penalized.

[Pandu Geddon]

The thing is, not every online casinos are against the use of VPNs, some casinos out there are actually VPN friendly, so even if they manage to detect that a user is using VPN to access their casino, they wouldn’t react in anyway or punish the player.
I believe a lot of players from countries that restrict access to gambling sites often look for these casinos that are VPN friendly to avoid being penalized.

There are some casinos that allow their customers to access the casino using a VPN, but not all. Most casinos that require KYC don’t prohibit using a VPN. If you force yourself to use a VPN and your account and assets get frozen, the casino can’t be blamed. If the goal is just to have fun, it might not be a problem. But why force yourself to play at a casino that actually forbids us?

[sotelorene]

The thing is, not every online casinos are against the use of VPNs, some casinos out there are actually VPN friendly, so even if they manage to detect that a user is using VPN to access their casino, they wouldn’t react in anyway or punish the player.
I believe a lot of players from countries that restrict access to gambling sites often look for these casinos that are VPN friendly to avoid being penalized.

You are right dude but the question now is, how do you know the casinos that are VPN friendly? Because I am sure they don't use to indicate anywhere that someone can use a VPN to access their casino. The risk of using VPN to access a site that doesn't state it anywhere that someone can use it is very high because you can hit a major jackpot and they will use the fact that you use VPN against you and you can not say anything because already you have been restricted of gambling.

[Floxynice]

If a jurisdiction is prohibited, shouldn't the platform be expected to identify and block the player before accepting the deposit, rather than discovering the issue only when the player tries to cash out?

Many players from restricted locations have successfully used a casino by turning on VPN and even cashout their wins. Do you think that the casino just allowed them to be successful? No. It is because the casino was not aware that they were using VPN. I don't know how the casino system works to detect VPN cheats, but I believe that it is not that easy recognising that someone is playing with VPN, reason some gamblers get away with it. It may probably take one small error for the casino to recognise a cheat. There is nothing like an unfair treatment here, the casino has a list of restricted countries which the gamblers are aware of. Deciding to use VPN means you are willing to take the risks

The thing is, not every online casinos are against the use of VPNs, some casinos out there are actually VPN friendly, so even if they manage to detect that a user is using VPN to access their casino, they wouldn’t react in anyway or punish the player.
I believe a lot of players from countries that restrict access to gambling sites often look for these casinos that are VPN friendly to avoid being penalized.

It is not a problem if you are using a casino that is VPN friendly. Where there is a problem is when you know that your country is among one of the countries that are restricted from using the casino. As you said, there may be some casinos that do not care about the use of VPNs, you are at liberty to use them. If you still insist on a casino that already restricted your location, you shouldn't be asking for what is fair and what is unfair when you knew right from the beginning that what you were doing was risky. You can't claim ignorance and you cannot also put the blame on the casino.

[WhoYouCantKill]

You are right dude but the question now is, how do you know the casinos that are VPN friendly? Because I am sure they don't use to indicate anywhere that someone can use a VPN to access their casino. The risk of using VPN to access a site that doesn't state it anywhere that someone can use it is very high because you can hit a major jackpot and they will use the fact that you use VPN against you and you can not say anything because already you have been restricted of gambling.

Yeah, it’s not always easy to know  which casino is and is not VPN friendly by just looking at the UI or the homepage. But there are still other ways one can try to find out. One way is by looking through the terms and conditions of the casino to see if there are mentions of VPNs, proxies,  or IP masking, some casinos include them in their terms and conditions.

Another way is to hit up the customer service and just ask them directly, and they’ll be able to tell you a more accurate answer.

[nara1892]

Many players from restricted locations have successfully used a casino by turning on VPN and even cashout their wins. Do you think that the casino just allowed them to be successful? No. It is because the casino was not aware that they were using VPN. I don't know how the casino system works to detect VPN cheats, but I believe that it is not that easy recognising that someone is playing with VPN, reason some gamblers get away with it. It may probably take one small error for the casino to recognise a cheat. There is nothing like an unfair treatment here, the casino has a list of restricted countries which the gamblers are aware of. Deciding to use VPN means you are willing to take the risks

The thing is, not every online casinos are against the use of VPNs, some casinos out there are actually VPN friendly, so even if they manage to detect that a user is using VPN to access their casino, they wouldn’t react in anyway or punish the player.
I believe a lot of players from countries that restrict access to gambling sites often look for these casinos that are VPN friendly to avoid being penalized.

Some websites are indeed difficult to access normally, including the websites of some casinos. I’ve visited a website that I couldn’t access, but when I used a VPN, I was able to access it. I’m not sure if it’s because of regional restrictions that prevented me from accessing it normally, or if the casino actually allows its users to use a VPN, but I think it’s most likely due to regional restrictions.

What I’m wondering is, will there be any issues with our casino accounts if we use a VPN to access restricted websites like that (as you mentioned)?

[Inior]

This passes just one message, and that message is, casinos or betting platforms don't care about losses. They are only concerned about making profit just like other business but what gets to me the most is their presentation; gambling platforms and casinos act as though they care about your wellbeing but that's far from what they have in mind. And I know this because they have repeated this same pattern for a long time and its no longer new to us how they perform these things.

[Hispo]

This passes just one message, and that message is, casinos or betting platforms don't care about losses. They are only concerned about making profit just like other business but what gets to me the most is their presentation; gambling platforms and casinos act as though they care about your wellbeing but that's far from what they have in mind. And I know this because they have repeated this same pattern for a long time and its no longer new to us how they perform these things.

You also need you take a look at it from the perspective of regulators and law enforcement, so you get a the whole picture of this situation.
In the eyes of law enforcement, there is no problem when a casino gets deposits, because the casino actually gains control of money which could actually some from illegal activities. So regulators do not enforce casinos to ask for KYC documents when gamblers register.
On the other hand, when someone wants to withdraw their money, the casino would be actually losing control of those funds (because of the nature of Blockchain), so regulators want to make sure those funds are not being used to buy weapons for terrorists or push drugs into the developed world.

[ejikeme24]

The thing is, not every online casinos are against the use of VPNs, some casinos out there are actually VPN friendly, so even if they manage to detect that a user is using VPN to access their casino, they wouldn’t react in anyway or punish the player.
I believe a lot of players from countries that restrict access to gambling sites often look for these casinos that are VPN friendly to avoid being penalized.

You may think that some casino site is not against the use of VPN not until you win a huge amount of money in that casino, it's just like Those casino's who claims that they are non KYC casinos but when a user win a huge amount of money they will be ask to provide Thier KYC details before they can actually make withdraw. the same thing applicable to when a gambler is using VPN, at first the casino will pretend like they are cool with it not until you win a huge amount of money. One of the reason why most gamblers make use of VPN in some casinos is due to the fact that Thier country is restricted from using that platform even though there are other reasons why gamblers will chose to make use of VPN.

[Tungbulu]

It is not a problem if you are using a casino that is VPN friendly. Where there is a problem is when you know that your country is among one of the countries that are restricted from using the casino. As you said, there may be some casinos that do not care about the use of VPNs, you are at liberty to use them. If you still insist on a casino that already restricted your location, you shouldn't be asking for what is fair and what is unfair when you knew right from the beginning that what you were doing was risky. You can't claim ignorance and you cannot also put the blame on the casino.

Thing is, there are actually people that are not aware of the fact that the use of VPNs can have serious penalties, especially when it’s not included in the ToS. Some people would simply feel the reason their  country is restricted is simply for some reasons that are not that serious, so they end up overlooking that aspect or putting little to no attention to it, it may not entirely be a deliberate attempt to violate the casino’s terms.

[Cantsay]

You see those sites that pamper you when you are new to the site and start to deposit a huge sum, but then turn 360 the moment it is time for them to pay you a huge amount; they would start demanding KYC and other things that would make the whole process stressful. Those are the most hated in my book.

If you want to request KYC, then do it at the beginning, not when it is time for the gambler to celebrate their little win. Those with No-KYC, but then go on to say 'KYC can be requested at any point in time', are you KYCed or not?

[hedgeh0g]

I was reading through some casino complaint threads recently, and it got me thinking about how "No-KYC" has become the biggest marketing buzzword in crypto gambling right now.

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You've absolutely got into the aspects of the topic that should be discussed here, because only a few players encounter these routines at the time. A lot of players come to online casinos and everyone hopes to win, which means that each of them will encounter these verification documents and it's very cool that you have written all the exact names of the casino and now the newcomers will perfectly understand what they have to deal with when they deposit their money, and then they will try to increase their winnings. withdraw from these platforms. And I can understand why all this had remained in the shadows before, it's because most of the players were losing, and they didn't touch on these online casino conditions that would lead them to KYC.

[JoyceBTC]

Since we all know this about the casinos that claim to be no KYC and still request for KYC, I don’t think any player is suppose to still have issues about KYC again in as much as you are using a trusted casino and you’re sure your private information is secured with them. It would only be an issue if you don’t trust the casino and they are not reputable and I’m sure no one will want to leave their money for any casino because they ask for KYC to be able to withdraw. So we should just make sure we’ve gone through the casino and their policy before using.

I think one of the issues of KYC is not that you dont trust or trust casino, but because you can submit documents for casino that you trust, and they could be rejected without any explanation. And as casino like to tell, their decision is always final. Issues is that you upload your private information and you still end with nothing. I think you would be very disappointed if you upload documents to casino that you trust, but their script will reject them because thought that lighting of picture you holding your ID was poor; and you wont have a second chance to upload them.

Honestly, this can really be frustrating to gamblers because having to let your money go because of KYC issue, is not something anyone would like. Looking at this issue, somehow I will say using a KYC casino to some extent is good, since you will have to provide KYC before even depositing to avoid issues like this but on the other hand we are also trying to protect our private information’s that’s why most gamblers avoid KYC casinos.

[Orpichukwu]

If you want to play at a casino via VPN, never play for large sums of money. If there's a dispute, your account could be blocked, your money could be lost, and the casino would be right because they have a list of countries they operate in. Moreover, after a big win, the casino will likely require you to pass a КУC, which will make it clear you violated the casino's rules. After that, everything will depend on the casino, but I wouldn't want to find myself in that situation.

Since you are already aware of how this works, why do you still recommend someone to use a small amount if they want to gamble using a VPN when there is a chance that they can still win big and not be able to withdraw the money? So it’s just better not to even use such a casino at all and save yourself from the future stress of winning money and not being able to withdraw it. I like to follow things up based on the casino policy so that if anything comes up, I know it’s just the casino being unfair.

[Mr_Brilliant$]

This passes just one message, and that message is, casinos or betting platforms don't care about losses. They are only concerned about making profit just like other business but what gets to me the most is their presentation; gambling platforms and casinos act as though they care about your wellbeing but that's far from what they have in mind. And I know this because they have repeated this same pattern for a long time and its no longer new to us how they perform these things.

I think casinos should be informing gamblers about this before they allow them to deposit. It's looking more and more as if casino's are doing is deliberately.  They way they are open about NO KYC. They should be open  about withdrawals needing KYC before allowing any is deposit. Casinos lack full transparency and that is why more gamblers will have issues with them. I even feel if a casino is telling you not provide KYC, it should go as paying players without KYC.

[Webutxo]

You are right dude but the question now is, how do you know the casinos that are VPN friendly? Because I am sure they don't use to indicate anywhere that someone can use a VPN to access their casino. The risk of using VPN to access a site that doesn't state it anywhere that someone can use it is very high because you can hit a major jackpot and they will use the fact that you use VPN against you and you can not say anything because already you have been restricted of gambling.

Some people will think that my approach is fear but I will tell you that I am not going to use a casino other people have not tested. If I'm going to use it then it's not going to be with my money, probably free spin and some other things, if after trying many times and I experience nothing then I will go full. Even if the casino is having everything, I look for red flags and public opinion before I try it, this is going to save me from a lot of problems.

I don't use Vpns on casino, even on exchanges to avoid problems. I think if a casino is not available in your region, you don't have to force yourself playing there, look for other places where you can gamble without thinking of freezing. Imagine gambling and not having peace of mind, you will be having lots of thoughts inside that is not going to help you focus on the game.

[Z_MBFM]

This passes just one message, and that message is, casinos or betting platforms don't care about losses. They are only concerned about making profit just like other business but what gets to me the most is their presentation; gambling platforms and casinos act as though they care about your wellbeing but that's far from what they have in mind. And I know this because they have repeated this same pattern for a long time and its no longer new to us how they perform these things.

I think casinos should be informing gamblers about this before they allow them to deposit. It's looking more and more as if casino's are doing is deliberately.  They way they are open about NO KYC. They should be open  about withdrawals needing KYC before allowing any is deposit. Casinos lack full transparency and that is why more gamblers will have issues with them. I even feel if a casino is telling you not provide KYC, it should go as paying players without KYC.

There are some platforms that do not allow their users to deposit without KYC. One of these sites is stake.com. The thing is that the platforms that start a new journey do not demand KYC from the customers because they will not be able to attract many gamblers if they do not give the opportunity to gamble on the new platform without KYC. However, the sites that are already popular and have gained a lot of reputation are making KYC mandatory. If you have gambled on stake, then you must know that they now do not allow any gambler to gamble and deposit without KYC. After completing Level 1, the deposit address is unlocked.

[Hispo]

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If you want to request KYC, then do it at the beginning, not when it is time for the gambler to celebrate their little win. Those with No-KYC, but then go on to say 'KYC can be requested at any point in time', are you KYCed or not?

That is a option, but economically it is not a good idea for casinos, since it would make people not to join and deposit as fast and easily.

Let us be honest, it is important for this industry to be able to get as much liquidity in their wallets, because as long as they have our money in their wallet, they have the chance to profit from us. That is the business model of casinos and bookies.

Regulators would love for people to submit their personal information as soon as they join a casino, but casino owners have pushed against it, because they would lose clients.

[AgriTrack]

There are some casinos that allow their customers to access the casino using a VPN, but not all. Most casinos that require KYC don’t prohibit using a VPN. If you force yourself to use a VPN and your account and assets get frozen, the casino can’t be blamed. If the goal is just to have fun, it might not be a problem. But why force yourself to play at a casino that actually forbids us?

That's the point. It's not just about a casino allowing the usage of VPN or not, it's about gamblers trying to use a platform where they know they can't complete their KYC if asked for it, which means that even if you are allowed to gamble using a VPN, make deposits using cryptocurrencies which is possible from anywhere in the end, but if you manage to win some money when you are gambling and want to withdraw, and the platform asks you for some verification, you can't complete that.

If you submit an ID that reveals that you are from a country which is prohibited by the platform and it is clearly mentioned in their tems and services, and which was also the reason why you were unable to access the platform and had to use a VPN, you just can't blame the casino for now allowing you to withdraw the funds, because it was your mistake in the first place. People should only use platforms where their country is not among the restricted countries so that if they manage to win, they should be able to make a withdrawal successfully.

[Ever-young]

You may think that some casino site is not against the use of VPN not until you win a huge amount of money in that casino, it's just like Those casino's who claims that they are non KYC casinos but when a user win a huge amount of money they will be ask to provide Thier KYC details before they can actually make withdraw. the same thing applicable to when a gambler is using VPN, at first the casino will pretend like they are cool with it not until you win a huge amount of money. One of the reason why most gamblers make use of VPN in some casinos is due to the fact that Thier country is restricted from using that platform even though there are other reasons why gamblers will chose to make use of VPN.

That’s why it’s important to make sure you verify everything, either through their terms of service or via inquiring from the customer service team and be sure that whatever their rules are, that they’re okay with you. Since some of these casinos don’t literally state it in their terms of service whether or not they’re VPN friendly, one should try as much as they can to inquire and be sure first before starting to use their services, to avoid unpleasant situations in subsequent times.