ILuckyGuyI is part of an alt farm that has been cheating contests for years

[LFC_Bitcoin]

this is the highest witch hunting i have seen in a long time

how do you track linked account using posting time, posting days, posting gap, sleeping time, wake up time, regular threads, active days and inactive days

None of that is definitive proof of anything, it’s all circumstantial.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

this is the highest witch hunting i have seen in a long time

how do you track linked account using posting time, posting days, posting gap, sleeping time, wake up time, regular threads, active days and inactive days

None of that is definitive proof of anything, it’s all circumstantial.

But the blockchain evidence is not circumstancial at all. The key factor here is the blockchain evidence; the circumstantial evidence is merely supplementary to it.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

But the blockchain evidence is not circumstancial at all. The key factor here is the blockchain evidence; the circumstantial evidence is merely supplementary to it.

We have one shared deposit address linking CLS63 to Spack17. It has been suggested by CLS63 that he paid friends to translate for him, how do we know that he didn’t owe Spack17 money and juzt shared that deposit address once, knowing payment would come in, which would square off what he owed Spack17.

I don’t think this is an obvious Alt account like for example what hosemary uncovered here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5592892.0

[Don Pedro Dinero]

We have one shared deposit address linking CLS63 to Spack17.

Also to Distraction.

Distraction shared exchange deposit address 3MJxYs14wZLaM79pa9Qn6EJT4YEY4MWjs2 with CLS63

bech32 BTC Address for payouts: bc1qtqywqs6j0hxlwdhta0pg3nc6y93fd08kqsydvf

bech32 BTC Address: bc1qzu0wjjggruvv4zka2pnj3mhc2qxpx0q68fda7g

I don’t think this is an obvious Alt account like for example what hosemary uncovered here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5592892.0

I can understand you. You met the guy, you like the guy and you think he hasn’t done anything wrong. Just like the rest of you who have met him in person.

In my case, I see far too much evidence pointing to the same thing: that he’s part of a massive farm.

[cryptofrka]

Turkey is not really similar to most other countries - they soft-banned crypto. CLS63 already said that he can't get associated with using it because it would terminate his career immediately.

I'm not defending anybody (yet), still gathering feedback, but it is not that bizarre for people that know each other to share wallet addresses - especially if it is forbidden to use crypto. In that way the risk is smaller, especially for a guy that mustn't get caught. Maybe he was paying for the withdrawal service? Maybe not. I'm just saying it can be spinned both ways. The wallets connection needs to be explained though, and I will ask him to explain that to me in private.

I've seen decent evidence that CLS63, Spack17 and ILuckyGuyI are actually 3 different people, screenshots that go way back and some instances when 1 guy makes a weird Fantasy pick and the other openly mocks him and stuff like that - and they exchange TG messages in real time. Sure, that can be manipulated too but why would it be 2 years ago? I was present in the chat when it happened and remember it.
Meanwhile, I'm still to see some actual proof that they are the same - I need to properly understand the 'wake up time' - what's with that?

It's not that important anyway considering that, as things currently stand, the account(s) won't be nuked. If it reaches the mods logs will be checked, and then we'll know for sure.

EDIT: considering that these 3 accounts are in our paid pools, these are the only ones I'll be focusing on.
Not that bothered if somebody's got alt accounts, probably 50% of the forum's got them.

[CLS63]

Hello again everyone. To defend myself against the allegations here, I'm going to try to write an answer every WEDNESDAY. See you tomorrow.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Hello again everyone. To defend myself against the allegations here, I'm going to try to write an answer every WEDNESDAY. See you tomorrow.

That's like trying to convince people who've never seen you at Mass by saying you will start going to Mass every Sunday from now on. That way, you'll only convince those who already believe in you, not those of us who have doubts.

I've seen decent evidence that CLS63, Spack17 and ILuckyGuyI are actually 3 different people, screenshots that go way back and some instances when 1 guy makes a weird Fantasy pick and the other openly mocks him and stuff like that - and they exchange TG messages in real time. Sure, that can be manipulated too but why would it be 2 years ago? I was present in the chat when it happened and remember it.

I see this more interesting. Can you expand on that? Were you all in the same Telegram group?

[snipie]

Hello again everyone. To defend myself against the allegations here, I'm going to try to write an answer every WEDNESDAY. See you tomorrow.

No one should change his posting habits to prove anything to anyone.
Nutildah post is clear and mentioned several arguments. You can elaborate more to defend yourself if you want but writing in a specific day or specific hours to prove something doesn't mean anything.
You have people endorsing you which is good regardless of the situation and the connection between you.
Meanwhile, 🍿.

[xLays]

Hello again everyone. To defend myself against the allegations here, I'm going to try to write an answer every WEDNESDAY. See you tomorrow.

That's like trying to convince people who've never seen you at Mass by saying you will start going to Mass every Sunday from now on. That way, you'll only convince those who already believe in you, not those of us who have doubts.

His post is pure sarcastic. Try to read some of the previous post and probably you will understand why he posted like this.

[joker_josue]

I've seen decent evidence that CLS63, Spack17 and ILuckyGuyI are actually 3 different people, screenshots that go way back and some instances when 1 guy makes a weird Fantasy pick and the other openly mocks him and stuff like that - and they exchange TG messages in real time. Sure, that can be manipulated too but why would it be 2 years ago? I was present in the chat when it happened and remember it.
Meanwhile, I'm still to see some actual proof that they are the same - I need to properly understand the 'wake up time' - what's with that?

How did they communicate, in English?

CLS63 said that because he had difficulty writing in English, he asked other users to translate his posts. Because didn't want to use online translators.
That's fine, nothing prevents you from doing that.

My question is: he wrote in English on Telegram, but not on the forum. Why?

[theymos]

The IP evidence is strongly supportive of ILuckyGuyI, CLS63, jakdanyel, emrecemsan, Velvet78, and Distraction all being the same person. In each case there are even logs of them sharing exactly the same IPv6 address, which is very rare if it's not the same person.

[cryptofrka]

I see this more interesting. Can you expand on that? Were you all in the same Telegram group?

Yes, regarding Fantasy football. CLS63 was mocking Spack17, which now makes sense because Spack17 isn't among the connected accounts mentioned in the post from theymos.

How did they communicate, in English?

CLS63 said that because he had difficulty writing in English, he asked other users to translate his posts. Because didn't want to use online translators.
That's fine, nothing prevents you from doing that.

My question is: he wrote in English on Telegram, but not on the forum. Why?

Yes, I think he uses some sort of translator or just wings it when talking with us. He sounds more natural in chats than on the forum.

______________________________

Well, I guess the pendulum swings to CLS63. Wednesday is the doomsday, will be difficult to get out of this one, buddy.

[DireWolfM14]

It seems there's little doubt that ILuckyGuyI is an alt-farm ring-leader.  Whether CLS63 is or isn't a part of that alt-farm...  Honestly, I'm unconvinced by either side of that argument.  He could be and he could not be.  The blockchain evidence looks convincing, but the excuses, as canned and convoluted as they sound, could be plausible.  My gut feeling is there's too much to ignore, making nutildah's tag justifiable.  At the same time, I'm not convinced enough to leave one of my own.

However, what is really bothering me more about these revelations is not so much who's involved but how they are involved.  Looking at the trust list of some of gambling board regulars who are DT2 members makes me question why they are included by DT1 members in the first place.

Perhaps it's time for many of us DT1 members to go back to the beginning, and evaluate why we've included who we've included and consider if there's a conflict of interest.

[cryptofrka]

It seems there's little doubt that ILuckyGuyI is an alt-farm ring-leader.  Whether CLS63 is or isn't a part of that alt-farm...  Honestly, I'm unconvinced by either side of that argument.  He could be and he could not be.  The blockchain evidence looks convincing, but the excuses, as canned and convoluted as they sound, could be plausible.  My gut feeling is there's too much to ignore, making nutildah's tag justifiable.  At the same time, I'm not convinced enough to leave one of my own.

However, what is really bothering me more about these revelations is not so much who's involved but how they are involved.  Looking at the trust list of some of gambling board regulars who are DT2 members makes me question why they are included by DT1 members in the first place.

Perhaps it's time for many of us DT1 members to go back to the beginning, and evaluate why we've included who we've included and consider if there's a conflict of interest.

Are we talking about trust lists or trust ratings here? Because he's not on my trust list and based on his previous behavior he did deserve our trust ratings.
Gambling community deals with big sidebets on a yearly/monthly basis and CLS63 paid all of these for years. Then again, so did Slissy until he didn't.

As far as I understand, that's how the Trust system works, right? He was trusted and now he won't be anymore.

[hosemary]

The IP evidence is strongly supportive of ILuckyGuyI, CLS63, jakdanyel, emrecemsan, Velvet78, and Distraction all being the same person. In each case there are even logs of them sharing exactly the same IPv6 address, which is very rare if it's not the same person.

Thank you so much for this information, theymos.
What about Spack17? Did you just miss him, or do the logs suggest that account is controlled by a different person? It's probably the latter, but I am asking just to make sure.

It seems there's little doubt that ILuckyGuyI is an alt-farm ring-leader.  Whether CLS63 is or isn't a part of that alt-farm...  Honestly, I'm unconvinced by either side of that argument.  

I may be wrong, but I feel you missed theymos' post.

[CLS63]

The IP evidence is strongly supportive of ILuckyGuyI, CLS63, jakdanyel, emrecemsan, Velvet78, and Distraction all being the same person. In each case there are even logs of them sharing exactly the same IPv6 address, which is very rare if it's not the same person.

Bitcointalk is banned in Türkiye, but you have the option of using a VPN. Therefore, it's normal for the IP address to be the same.

[DireWolfM14]

It seems there's little doubt that ILuckyGuyI is an alt-farm ring-leader.  Whether CLS63 is or isn't a part of that alt-farm...  Honestly, I'm unconvinced by either side of that argument.  

I may be wrong, but I feel you missed theymos' post.

You're not wrong, I did indeed miss it.  That's about all the convincing I need.

[JollyGood]

The IP evidence is strongly supportive of ILuckyGuyI, CLS63, jakdanyel, emrecemsan, Velvet78, and Distraction all being the same person. In each case there are even logs of them sharing exactly the same IPv6 address, which is very rare if it's not the same person.

Well, this is very strong evidence.

I will state two things that have been on my mind since the CLS63 account was mentioned as being part of the farm.

First, regarding the heat map mentioned in the OP. There could be compelling reasons why certain accounts post at certain times. Even though we know that it might not always provide concrete evidence, it does provide enough data to decide whether to investigate the accounts further.

Second, just because a member has been paying for several years to join a sports thread/pool and have been paying out when losing private bets (and receiving green trust in the process), it does not mean they have not and/or are not engaging in nefarious activities elsewhere (merit abuse, trust abuse, competitions and contests).

If accounts are exposed as cheats, I think those that were shocked should absorb it while in the denial process and then quickly accept it and move on.

The IP evidence is strongly supportive of ILuckyGuyI, CLS63, jakdanyel, emrecemsan, Velvet78, and Distraction all being the same person. In each case there are even logs of them sharing exactly the same IPv6 address, which is very rare if it's not the same person.

Bitcointalk is banned in Türkiye, but you have the option of using a VPN. Therefore, it's normal for the IP address to be the same.

This is virtually impossible.

How did your CLS63 account and the ILuckyGuyI, jakdanyel, emrecemsan, Velvet78 and Distraction accounts all share the exact identical IPv6 address just because the forum is banned in your country?

Which VPN are you using?

[CLS63]

Which VPN are you using?

Opera VPN and goodbyedpi

[JollyGood]

And which country did you select to obfuscate your location when using Opera?

Of all the countries and cities in the world, how on earth did your CLS63 account along with the ILuckyGuyI, jakdanyel, emrecemsan, Velvet78 and Distraction accounts all use the same IP address?

What are the chances of any other member of this forum using the Opera browser and the exact location (city with the same IP address) to hide their true location?

Opera VPN and goodbyedpi