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Today at 12:24:27 PM
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As for me Cashout is not a good option though I might do that when I see that the games are not favorable. But before I placed my bet I have already signed that money for the bet and we all know that betting is not a guarantee to win but it is a 50/50. Either I loss or I win so I like to see the end of the games at all time.

But there are some gamblers who are good in cashing out without without waiting to the end of the match. Once they see that the cash out is bigger than their stake amount. They will just click the Cashout button and collect their money.

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Today at 12:29:33 PM
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Of course one of the feature that has become popular in sports betting is the cash out option, it gives bettors the chance to settle a bet before the match ends, and many of us also see it as way to reduce risk. Now this brings me to this  question, who actually benefits from the cash out option, is it the bettors or the bookmakers?


If we assume that this is a voluntary option and the player chooses it himself (which is true), then it is mutually beneficial. When both parties are happy with the deal, no further clarification is required.
But if you look at it from a mathematical perspective, then cashout is certainly beneficial to the bookmaker and not the bettor, since the bookmaker pays out an amount that is less than the mathematical expectation of the bet. This is always easy to check if you consider a bet on the opposite outcome (hedging) - if hedging is more profitable than cashout, then cashout is in favor of the bookmaker.

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Today at 12:33:13 PM
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Now this brings me to this  question, who actually benefits from the cash out option, is it the bettors or the bookmakers?


This feature is actually beneficial to the bookie and the players depending on who takes the advantage. For example, the day before yesterday, I placed a bet on Botafogo FC SP v Cuiaba EC MT, my pick was a "draw" and the odd was 1.94, 50+ minutes down the line, I got a cash out which would have been good for me had it been I took it but I was so confident that the game will play out, before I woke up the following morning, I had lost the bet. I felt bad not to have took the cash out because if I did, it would have been an advantage to me.

I also bet on Sao Paulo FC SP v Red Bull Bragantino (home win) with 1.48 odd but I took the cashout offer because it was already night and I had to sleep, when I woke up the following day the game was successful (2:1), but I don't feel bad for taking cash out, at least I still made profit. So, what am trying to say here is that, the feature we are talking about can benefit both the player and the casino.

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Today at 12:33:37 PM
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..., who actually benefits from the cash out option, is it the bettors or the bookmakers?
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Generally, it could benefit both parties, the bettors and the bookmakers. Bettors, because they can secure the win earlier without risking the bets from the other ongoing markets. Bookmakers, because they can pay less winnings than the maximum possible winnings.

However, it just doesn't benefit both parties at the same time. It depends on the results in the end. If bettors miss out on the maximum possible winnings, then it's definitely a win for the bookmakers. They are the ones that get the most benefits because they are able to cut losses. Cashout is just a stop loss and take profit feature in sports betting where both bettors and bookmakers agree to settle the bet early.


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Today at 12:51:09 PM
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I totally disagree with what you said, cash out is mostly for the advantage of the bookmakers. Have you used the cash out very often before? I have used it often before. There were many time that I supposed to win but because I used the cash out, it was at my own disadvantage. What happened last that make me stop using it was the day I selected a match to end with either win or draw but the opponent was winning. I used cash out in a way I almost lost all the money but the match ended in draw.

I really can't stop laughing  Grin

But this is just your experience and it doesn't represent everyone's experience. Someone might have a different experience that makes them believe cash out is for the advantage of bettors. I know bookmakers are not dumb to introduce any features that put gamblers ahead of them but the cash out is a feature that favours both parties depending on conditions. In your case now, if favors the bookmakers because they pay you small amount from your potential win that you may have won if you hadn't cashed out your game. In someone's case, it may favor them if they cashed out a reasonable amount and the game ended against their selected options. I personally don't like using it because of the similar thing that happen to you but I do use it occasionally to rebet if the ticket is obviously not going well.

 
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Today at 12:54:15 PM
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When you see that the bet is sure to lose, so if you cash out before it ends, you can definitely reduce some losses, so cash out is profitable for you because if you finish, you would have lost the entire capital. On the other hand, whenever you press the cash out button, the profit goes to the casino because they have already calculated very precisely how long the bettors will bat and their profit accordingly, and if they didn't, they wouldn't have given the catch out option in the middle of this game. So I think there is a benefit for both parties, directly for the betor and indirectly for the casino.

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Today at 01:33:51 PM
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When you see that the bet is sure to lose, so if you cash out before it ends, you can definitely reduce some losses, so cash out is profitable for you because if you finish, you would have lost the entire capital.
What if you cashout and the bet later be in your favour before ending? There was a match that I bet on in the past, the team I chose scored at 90 + 3 minutes to the end of the match. After the score, the match was over in few seconds.

Cashout is not as easy as many people are posting about it. When you are betting and going for cash out, you will realize this.

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Today at 01:48:05 PM
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Both of them are fortunate, which is definitely more profitable bookies they never lose once there is a cashing feature.

The player's mistake is not to take advantage of the opportunities offered by the bookies, their belief makes parlay bets continue even though the cash offered by the bookies is bigger, you manage to win the parlay betslip is much bigger.

Can this be called greed? Or the wrong strategy? I think back to your gut feeling as a bettor, even though choosing the home team to win is no guarantee whatsoever.

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Today at 01:52:55 PM
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This topic came about because of what happened to me today, yesterday I picked some matches which includes yesterday's, today's and tomorrow's games.

All the yesterday's games played out as they were predicted, but when today's games were playing because I had about three games on my ticket, but the game between feyenoord and ADO Den Haag in the Netherlands-Eredivisie was the match that ruined my ticket.

As of when feyenoord and ADO Den Haag were playing I was offered a good about of money as cash out, but I decided not to cash it out and the match ended draw while I predicted home to win.

Of course one of the feature that has become popular in sports betting is the cash out option, it gives bettors the chance to settle a bet before the match ends, and many of us also see it as way to reduce risk. Now this brings me to this  question, who actually benefits from the cash out option, is it the bettors or the bookmakers?


In as much as I know that the cash out options sometimes saves the gambler from loosing all the money if he  presses the cash out button and then the game didn't play as he predicted it, atleast he will be with a little money but I do think that the cash out that we do most at times favors the bookmarkers than the gambler, ordinary this whole gambling stuff is favorable to the bookmarkers than the gambler as all the money we looses from games goes to them and they are at an advantage because bettors will always loose games no matter how knowledgeable we are in predictions.

I have a friend that stake 4 games yesterday and the potential winning was #500,000 (five hundred thousand naira) and they were showing him a cash out of #200,000(two hundred thousand naira) which he cashed out and the game did not play as expected, who is now at the loosing end? Considering the fact that he staked with a small amount, but then the bookmarkers often make profit than the gambler.

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Today at 01:54:58 PM
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In my opinion, risks should be mitigated when you place your bets, not during the game. If you previously believed your bet was a winner, why have you changed your mind now? The built-in Cash-Out feature is generally beneficial to the bookmaker, not the player.🙋

Using the Cash-Out feature always requires paying the bookmaker's margin. In this situation, you essentially pay the bookmaker's margin twice (the first time you place your bet, and the second time when you use the Cash-Out feature). In my opinion, this is a very inefficient use of your money.🙆

The fact that you lost your bet in the game is, in my opinion, simply a coincidence. If you had made a habit of regularly using the Cash-Out feature, I think you would have lost your money even faster.

I don't see much benefit in this feature. It's better to hedge your bet at other online casinos (which, in my opinion, is a more profitable option).


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Now this brings me to this  question, who actually benefits from the cash out option, is it the bettors or the bookmakers?


In fact, from bookmaker's point of view, it is a very smart product, because they calculate current value of our bet and deduct their own margin and then offer it.

If you get any good cash-out offer during the match, that was sure chance to get money. But not cashing out mean that it was wrong decision, it would not be right to say based on final result. Because future outcome was not known at the time of decision. So, it is not right to lament like you should have cashed out earlier, when you made your decision you did not know how the match would end.

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Today at 02:15:56 PM
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I don't use the cash out feature when a game is on, I hate it because you are simply making bookmakers takes it all from you, I prefer to place bet before the game starts and wait it out, I know many aren't like this but it's just how I do my own thing.

If you want the cash out idea to favour you, take your win and walk away, don't keep gambling, call it a quit and leave then you can come back another time to keep gambling again.

If you are already used to risking $10 every week even if you win $2000 later in some game or bet make sure you don't bump it up to $20 or even $200, keep using the ten box.

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Today at 02:19:34 PM
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Now this brings me to this  question, who actually benefits from the cash out option, is it the bettors or the bookmakers?

When I cash out, the thing I always consider, is this offer better than fair current value of my bet? Just because you can lock in profit isn't enough. In long run, bookmaker's margin can further reduce your EV by repeatedly cashing out.

I'm not saying Cash Out is bad. It can be genuinely useful risk management tool for gambler. But keep in mind, bookmaker is not giving it to us as charity. We are paying for convenience and certainty. If stake are high and reducing variance is more important to me, then I can think about cash out. But if you cash out regularly on small bet just out of fear then I think bookmaker will ultimately benefit more.

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Today at 02:28:27 PM
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The answer to this question is simple. There's no cash out without gain. When you place $20 bet that's supposed to win $1200 and you accept a cash out of $500, that's a profit. Cash out can only be lower than the amount you placed when no match has played, if not it is usually something higher than the placed amount and that is helping the gamblers. But then whenever a gambler cashes out, they reduce the amount that gambling companies would pay if there's all green/win at the end of all the matches. That makes cash out a 50/50 venture.

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This is common sense people. Cashout helps both the players and bookmakers in different ways based on certain conditions. It's a complicated feature for sure. Vig on cashouts are usually biased towards the house, but that doesn't make them useless.

They are extremely useful in long shot parlays where you can cashout early despite the vig involved though hedging the other side is always the better option if you have the funds to manage it.

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Today at 02:42:33 PM
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The answer to this question is simple. There's no cash out without gain. When you place $20 bet that's supposed to win $1200 and you accept a cash out of $500, that's a profit. Cash out can only be lower than the amount you placed when no match has played, if not it is usually something higher than the placed amount and that is helping the gamblers. But then whenever a gambler cashes out, they reduce the amount that gambling companies would pay if there's all green/win at the end of all the matches. That makes cash out a 50/50 venture.


It all depends on the player’s individual financial situation. Sometimes, it’s better for someone to have more options and methods for withdrawing funds, even if the service comes with an additional fee. Life situations can be different, so the more services and options a casino can offer us, the better it is for the players.

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Today at 02:44:57 PM
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This is common sense people. Cashout helps both the players and bookmakers in different ways based on certain conditions. It's a complicated feature for sure. Vig on cashouts are usually biased towards the house, but that doesn't make them useless.
Parlay can help some people, but most of the people are losing than winning if it is about betting. Cash out has it own disadvantages which outweighs the advantage which is one that you talked about. It has many disadvantages.

In my won conclusion, it let gambling sites makes money money from their users.

They are extremely useful in long shot parlays where you can cashout early despite the vig involved though hedging the other side is always the better option if you have the funds to manage it.
What did you mean by hedging the other side is the bet?

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Today at 02:49:36 PM
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Of course one of the feature that has become popular in sports betting is the cash out option, it gives bettors the chance to settle a bet before the match ends, and many of us also see it as way to reduce risk. Now this brings me to this  question, who actually benefits from the cash out option, is it the bettors or the bookmakers?

The cashout is a feature that can benefit the player, and it can also be an advantage to the casino. However, cashout is a feature that plays an important role for gamblers when it is hard to take risks.

When a gambler can't afford to lose, they don't mind what the end of the game will be like; rather, they are concerned about the mental aspect of cashing out and leaving, because if the game ends in a loss, it can be a bad experience that one won't be able to forget easily. For me, I think the cashout feature benefits gamblers more because it has to do with controlling emotions as well.

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Today at 02:57:59 PM
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Both the bettors and the bookmaker are benefiting; if you had cashed out when they offered you the cash-out option, what you would have been given is below what was actually won. If it’s to be calculated based on how much was staked and the total number of odds put together for the games already played, the bookmaker takes off some percentage and gives you less of what you won, so it’s a win for them too and also for the player.

I totally disagree with what you said, cash out is mostly for the advantage of the bookmakers. Have you used the cash out very often before? I have used it often before. There were many time that I supposed to win but because I used the cash out, it was at my own disadvantage. What happened last that make me stop using it was the day I selected a match to end with either win or draw but the opponent was winning. I used cash out in a way I almost lost all the money but the match ended in draw.
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I understand that frustration and how you feel I have also been in that shoe for couple of times but we only feel that way when the game we cashed out ended up playing as predicted to the last match on the ticket but if some how one of the match among all the booked one did not play when you have already taken the cashout option, you will be on the advantage side, and won’t be seeing that settings as something that favors only the bookmakers, at the end since they make money from us no matter the decision or how the game ends they are more in favor than we do but I still can’t ignore the fact that it benefits us especially in the case of the op if he had cashed out he won’t be regretting.

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Today at 02:58:31 PM
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Looking at it from my own experience, I will say that both bookmakers and bettors are benefiting from the cash-out option introduced. Without this cash out option, there are many bets I should have lost.Any time I use the parlay method to bet and I see that the cash-out amount is reasonable, I always cash out. At the end of the ticket, I always realize that if I had not taken the cash out, I would have lost the bet.It has also happened to me before when I was going to win a reasonable amount of money. In the process, I just cashed out, but at the end, I realized that if I had left the bet without cashing out, it could have been better because the money I was supposed to win was 10 times the amount I cashed out. It really pains me when that happens.

So, what I want people to understand is that cashing out has advantages, but it also has its own disadvantages. To me, I will never say that either the bettor or the bookmaker benefits the most from the cash-out option. If the cash out amount is not reasonable, many people may continue with their bets and never see anything worth cashing out.The same thing applies to the other side: the cash out option has made many people miss out on big wins because they decided to cash out too early.

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