Does keno pick count actually matter?

[zhephoi]

**Disclosure:** I’ve been looking into Keno and, rather than just looking at the biggest multiplier, I wanted to figure out what actually makes sense if you're trying to play it strategically. Been reading on this one for starters: https://blog.chips.gg/post/keno-on-chips-gg-house-edge-pick-count-and-who-it-suits

Is there actually a “smart” way to play Keno?

Obviously, you can't predict which numbers are going to come out. But there are still a few things you can control. I've been looking at Keno on several sites and one thing that caught my attention was how much the **pick count changes the way the game feels**.

You can pick between 1 and 10 numbers, so it's tempting to just go for the higher pick counts because that's where the bigger multipliers are.

But bigger payout doesn't automatically mean better option. With fewer numbers selected, you're generally going to see more frequent hits and smaller swings. With more numbers, you're basically accepting a lot more variance in exchange for the possibility of a much bigger payout. The other number worth paying attention to is the **house edge**.

The Keno game on Chips.gg is around **1% house edge / 99% RTP**, which is quite different from some traditional Keno games where the edge can be much higher.

So the interesting question isn't really *“Which numbers are lucky?”*


It's more:

**“Which pick count actually suits the way I want to play?”**

If you prefer smaller swings, lower pick counts probably make more sense.

If you're comfortable with longer stretches between hits and want to chase the larger multipliers, higher pick counts obviously change the experience.

There's no magic number selection that changes the underlying odds, but understanding the pick count and house edge at least lets you know what you're getting into.


For the people who actually play Keno — **what pick count do you normally use, and why?** Does changing the see really help or purely luck? Been seeing on Twitter/X several influencer/streamers hitting good hits right after they change their seeds.

[Swordsoffreedom]

To me, seed change thing is more interesting than pick count. Changing client seed will change sequence of outcome.
But your underlying probability or house edge will not change. So a new seed does not necessarily mean better odds.

For streamer, seeing any big hit after seed change is actually mirage.
Because losses that occur after seed change are usually not clipped

[Cointxz]

For the people who actually play Keno — **what pick count do you normally use, and why?** Does changing the see really help or purely luck? Been seeing on Twitter/X several influencer/streamers hitting good hits right after they change their seeds.

I notice that you created a gambling topic with the same format highlighting the blog but the topic you are creating is really attractive for gambling discussion engagement. I do play Keno whenever I’m down to my last money after experiencing losing streak on other games. Either Keno, Mines or slot bonus buy is my top choice game.

For me, I settle on the number pick which I can recover my previous losses as multiplier payout. But if I will play this as my regular game then 3 to 4 number is just my preferred pick with the diamond pattern on the board,

[zhephoi]

I personally used to like 2,3,4,5,6, and 7. 6 numbers. For some reason, I have this insight that hitting 5 numbers is easier when compare to getting 3 out of 4 or even 4 out of 5. And for most, 5 out of 6 numbers gives you 180x on medium.

But now I am leaning more towards 3 numbers. As such, 2, 3 and 4. xD

[free-bit.co.in]

@zhephoi I ​​think you are looking Keno from right perspective.

It is more important to look at pick count and volatility than looking for lucky numbers in particular. However, I will say one thing about seed separately.
I have also seen many time, when someone hit any big multiplier immediately after changing seed, it is said that new seed has reset his luck.
IMO it is more about finding reason by looking at your outcome.

In any properly implemented provably fair system, changing client seed can certainly change your next outcome sequence, but it will not improve your mathematical odds and RTP.
Probability of each new draw will remain same and house edge will remain.

[Betwrong]

~But bigger payout doesn't automatically mean better option. With fewer numbers selected, you're generally going to see more frequent hits and smaller swings. With more numbers, you're basically accepting a lot more variance in exchange for the possibility of a much bigger payout.

No, of course, it doesn't. There's no such thing as "better option" in Keno. You can do your choices with eyes closed and they are gonna be no better and not worse than with open eyes and "the best" strategy you can come up with.

So the interesting question isn't really *“Which numbers are lucky?”*

There's no "lucky" or "unlucky" numbers. You can say whether were lucky only after game is ended. You can't tell in advance which numbers are lucky. No one can.

Does changing the see really help or purely luck? Been seeing on Twitter/X several influencer/streamers hitting good hits right after they change their seeds.

If you win right after changing the seed - it's pure luck. Those influencers often tell stories to engage more people, but rarely care about the truthfulness of their stories.

[purple_sparkles]

I don’t think there are any simple ways to calculate the possible winning variations. Of course, the fewer numbers there are, the greater the chance of hitting the target, but I believe that Keno is still mostly about luck. I don’t think it is actually possible to accurately calculate the probability, although I’m not a big expert in probability theory, so I can’t say that with 100% certainty.

[Hispo]

I have not played much keno on casinos, personally.
I prefer other games. But in the little experience I have had on that game, my perception is that there is not actually a way for one to play that game in a "smart" way.
Mostly because of the random nature of the game and also because of the effect of the house edge.

I think the smartest move one could do is being lucky at the beginning of one's session and then being able to stop gambling on time, before losing one's earnings. That applies to Keno, Dices, Crash and any other casino game.

[danherbias07]

I have played a lot of Keno when I was starting at Stake.com, and I can say that there's no trick to it. It is just the house edge that you must think about and, of course, the RTP, which can sometimes be surprising.

My settings are always at "high difficulty", with 8 numbers selected using the random "pick" button, and I will automate the roll.
What I find intriguing, which is why I played it for a long time, is the number of times I hit the 6 digits. That's x270. Sometimes it could go to 3-5 times winning that amount without even depleting what you won yet. That made me decide to pick that game to increase my wagered amount, and it worked out pretty well.

@Swordsoffreedom is right. I think seeds do affect the results. I am not really learned about seeds, but I often change them.

[TheUltraElite]

Once again I see discussion about changing seed to change luck.

It does not work like that. You are assuming that the website is collecting the results of the game played till now and will give different number on the next roll. There is no way to generate such things. If you change the client seed you are only revealing the old seed to check and verify your previous bets not to change the possible outcomes of the upcoming bets.

You are essentially randomizing and already random number and hence it has no value.

The games if provably fair then you cannot guess patterns in this manner.

Most people playing keno just set some numbers at random and continue rolling on them only. There is no such thing as lucky number here, if you want to survive in gambling you have to keep wishful thinking out of your head.

[DanWalker]

If someone hit 100x or 500x after changing his seed then it does not prove they got that hit because of his seed change.

Similarly, if you change seeds after your losing streak then it will not create any statistical advantage. If you ever hit big, it is actually random outcome of your new sequence.

if I talk about pick count. Yes, fewer picks will give you more frequent hit and relatively less variance experience. And more pick will give you more swing and possibility of rare high multiplier. But there is no universal rule that more picks will be bad, and fewer pick will make you smarter.

[iv4n]

If you prefer smaller swings, lower pick counts probably make more sense.

If you're comfortable with longer stretches between hits and want to chase the larger multipliers, higher pick counts obviously change the experience.

We can say the same about slots. You can choose to play low or high-volatility slots, and we can lose or win, and that part is all about luck... It's just a lucky or unlucky session, and I have been through both playing Keno & slots.

I love Keno, and I play it from time to time... I tried all setups, and I played on auto too many times. I had some pretty nice hits, but I busted my amount many times as well. That's why it's all about luck... If we are lucky, we will hit something, or at least we will not lose much, but without luck, a red streak is inevitable, and in many cases it leads to the message we have all seen too many times: "not enough balance for the next bet".

[leea-1334]

For provably fair Keno? It does not matter. For physical Keno? It probably matters if you keep the same numbers all the time, but I think that also is a very low change of probability and you cannot know if it is better or worse for you.

In short,,, do not fall for the idea that there can be any strategy in keno/roulette/anything you can find in online casino  

[o48o]

If your goal is to win more in long run, then there's no strategy that would work better then any other. If you are only trying to win like 25% more then your bet, then your changes increase and tactics matter, but you are still going to risk  proportionally way more money then your theoretical gains. That's still risky even if it's probable.

That's it in a nut shell.

If someone is trying to convince you of anything else, they are probably using some troll mathematics where they are trying to make you forget the house edge exist.

[Sandra_hakeem]

So the interesting question isn't really *“Which numbers are lucky?”*

There's no "lucky" or "unlucky" numbers. You can say whether were lucky only after game is ended. You can't tell in advance which numbers are lucky. No one can.

What does he mean "which numbers are lucky" in a lottery style game? I like the response you gave, but I will appreciate if he can explain a little on that.

Does changing the see really help or purely luck? Been seeing on Twitter/X several influencer/streamers hitting good hits right after they change their seeds.

If you win right after changing the seed - it's pure luck. Those influencers often tell stories to engage more people, but rarely care about the truthfulness of their stories.

Most of the OP's question screams 'superstitions' even when he hasn't said it out loud. Changing seeds + PURE luck, don't ever try to ask questions again.

In any properly implemented provably fair system, changing client seed can certainly change your next outcome sequence, but it will not improve your mathematical odds and RTP.

Positively? So I'm certainly going to run on profit for every reset?

[Julien_Olynpic]

There are no winning strategies in keno. It's just a special type of lottery. And the odds of winning are very low. Perhaps that's why it's not particularly popular. I once read an interesting argument from a player who tried to tie numerology to this gambling game, but you could just as easily apply numerology to all lotteries in general. The numbers come up with equal probability. The player's chances are hopelessly slim.

[denny27]

Keno is my fav. game, but still.. 1% skill 99% luck

[swogerino]

Keno is a game of pure luck although it deceives some people into thinking that they know what they are doing when they make their decision in picking certain numbers or pattern of numbers. As I said it does not matter as Keno is a game of 100% luck based purely on randomness, it maybe better than slot machines as it cannot be manipulated by the algorithm yet it is still based purely on luck and picking numbers does not change the outcome so it does not matter, results are already determined.

[TheUltraElite]

Keno is my fav. game, but still.. 1% skill 99% luck

Thing is that people think in patterns and that leads to them forming false conclusions that this game if played like this will lead to profit, that changing the seed makes the system "forget" the outcomes of the previous bets and so on.

I hope players here understand why seeds are allowed to be changed - so that one can obtain the server seed for the previous set of games in order to verify them, nonce and client being already provided to them.

Apart from that even on games like mines where people click on multiple points and then just roll and roll till they hit something big, keno is similar.

[Perfectbaby]

I don’t think there are any simple ways to calculate the possible winning variations. Of course, the fewer numbers there are, the greater the chance of hitting the target, but I believe that Keno is still mostly about luck. I don’t think it is actually possible to accurately calculate the probability, although I’m not a big expert in probability theory, so I can’t say that with 100% certainty.

This game is not popular at our country otherwise I could have been familiar with it but this it sounds a little bit different from other usual game which can easily predict. Of course game like this are usually a game of probability which could be that extremely difficult to win unlike other sports game or slot game.
Game like this, the winning chance could be very poor or low as it deals more with probability and not a skill based game. Maybe, after today i wouldn’t mind to start paying attention to how one could be that having the strategy to win even more.