What can stop a takeover by the system

[Ucy]

If we are alone, without assistance from something greater than fiat/centralized system, it will be possible for Bitcoin to be captured by the system, which is basically the "greatest power in earth,"

The Bitcoin principles make capture difficult but not impossible. Attempts have been made in the past to capture Bitcoin but they have to break through the principles of decentralization of Bitcoin, transparency, trustlessness, permissionless, immutability, censorship resistance, etc.   To succeed they will try to weaken the principles by centralizing the nodes, operating opaquely, weakening immutablity and privacy , removing trustlessness and permissionless, etc . Has this happened or is already happening? Investigate properly, you'll probably see the signs. Notwistanding if they succeed in breaking the principles they will finally face SOMETHING greater than them, WHO typically intervenes when the going becomes impossible for mere mortals.

The system does not give up. It moves like zombies regardless of what is shot at it. It moves and infect, and before you realize it, your friends, boss, those you count on or trust to maintain the principles will start working with it and against you. But we have something far greater than the system to depend on, which is our CREATOR

[Ambatman]

I might still be a little high since I don't where or what the last paragraph mean
And on taking over
They don't have to change anything about bitcoin
What they need is to change how people make use of it
Which so far has been easy
Make People believe third party is easier which would make regulations and restrictions
And convince them all this are for their own Good.

[Churchillvv]

Surely, it is difficult comprehend what you are talking about except one put in a lot of effort to read and reread.

The world has been writing to operate in the script of one central power but however, bitcoin cannot be directly controlled regardless of the attempt they make but however, you can see that the highest that can happen has happened already where there is more people trying to shift blame or don’t want to handle bitcoin themselves so they run to third party like those companies that offer paper bitcoin.

The things around bitcoin cannot be controlled as they are partnered with the government in one way or the other hence the idea of controlling is going to be on the third party which most believe in but not the inside of bitcoin, is like having mucus around a shell but the inside is not contaminated.

[Charles-Tim]

The way nodes are, it can not be centralized. I think nodes are the most decentralized part of bitcoin which no government and centralized authority will be able to take over. And other aspects like mining are also not centralized. The way bitcoin is designed is enough to stop a takeover by central authorities or government.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

If we are alone, without assistance from something greater than fiat/centralized system, it will be possible for Bitcoin to be captured by the system, which is basically the "greatest power in earth,

The 'System'?
Who or what is that?  
You mean the reptilian Overlords whom doth dwell under the earth and control the 13 incestuous tribes who rule the surface world and so control all banking?  

IMHO deranged folks like st.luke and his followers are a far bigger threat.

[decodx]

What the hell are you talking about? Bringing God into a discussion about code and consensus mechanisms is just absurd.

Bitcoin doesn't run on divine intervention. It runs on math, open-source code, and incentives.

[Mia Chloe]

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I don't know if it is just me but reading through your text looks a lot like reading through a poem especially the last paragraph.  Anyways as for the entire theme of the topic centralization will always seem to conquer decentralization, they were never equal at any point in time and they never might be.

The government is like the corner stone of centralization and that is the reason it will always have the upper hand bitcoin will barely stop it besides the government is acquiring more every day.

[CryptoBuds]

If we are alone, without assistance from something greater than fiat/centralized system, it will be possible for Bitcoin to be captured by the system, which is basically the "greatest power in earth,"

The Bitcoin principles make capture difficult but not impossible. Attempts have been made in the past to capture Bitcoin but they have to break through the principles of decentralization of Bitcoin, transparency, trustlessness, permissionless, immutability, censorship resistance, etc.   To succeed they will try to weaken the principles by centralizing the nodes, operating opaquely, weakening immutablity and privacy , removing trustlessness and permissionless, etc . Has this happened or is already happening? Investigate properly, you'll probably see the signs. Notwistanding if they succeed in breaking the principles they will finally face SOMETHING greater than them, WHO typically intervenes when the going becomes impossible for mere mortals.

We ourselve have become too dependent on custody, exchange, mining pools and infrastructure for our convenience. However, ecosystem capture and protocol capture are not the same thing.

If any pool or company has large influence, they will not be able to change the consensus rule of Bitcoin.

And job declaration of Stratum V2 is a good step to give more control to miners. In this, miners can make their own block template and transaction selection. As a result, unilateral control of the pool is reduced.

So IMO, we do not have to rely on any greater power to protect Bitcoin. Rather, more self-verification, self-custody and independent participant there are, the more resilient Bitcoin will be.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

And job declaration of Stratum V2 is a good step to give more control to miners. In this, miners can make their own block template and transaction selection. As a result, unilateral control of the pool is reduced.

meh. Stratum v2 as sold to the masses is a feel-good placebo.

What is rarely brought up is that when you use v2 to create your own template and select your own tx's there is virtually zero chance of your work being the one solved. Without others working on it as well you are in essence solo mining.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

If we are alone, without assistance from something greater than fiat/centralized system, it will be possible for Bitcoin to be captured by the system, which is basically the "greatest power in earth,"

No invention could have traveled to this extent the way bitcoin has been ever since it was introduced, I have not seen any other project or development that has done a massive success the way bitcoin has been presented to everyone of Us, the aspect of freedom in our finance is there, while all the benefits bitcoin serve us are still more than enough if we are to count on them one after the order, I don't think there is ever any other achievement or development that surpasses the relevance bitcoin is creating today.

[Darker45]

If the system that you're talking about, whatever that is, becomes so powerful that they could takeover Bitcoin despite it being decentralized, despite public nodes spread across 180 countries, then perhaps there's no point fighting for it any longer. It's probably the best time to abandon ship.

Bitcoin isn't a religion. It's a pragmatic innovation. If it loses its relevance, then there's no point defending it. Something else will have to replace it. There's no point pleading for a creator to intervene.

[pooya87]

You should try to be a bit more clear in your topics, but the idea behind it is an important one. In a way my old topic from 2 years ago (The chink in the armor) falls under the same category.

Attempts have been made in the past to capture Bitcoin but they have to break through the principles of decentralization of Bitcoin, transparency, trustlessness, permissionless, immutability, censorship resistance, etc.   To succeed they will try to weaken the principles by centralizing the nodes, operating opaquely, weakening immutablity and privacy , removing trustlessness and permissionless, etc .

Exactly but it is important to point out that because Bitcoin is decentralized, nobody from outside can ever "break through" thee principles or "weaken" them. But what they can do and have been doing is that they first convince people (from inside) that these principles don't matter.

When people stop caring about protecting Bitcoin and its principles, they die automatically and with them Bitcoin gets weaker and can die eventually.

[SilverCryptoBullet]

The Bitcoin principles make capture difficult but not impossible. Attempts have been made in the past to capture Bitcoin but they have to break through the principles of decentralization of Bitcoin, transparency, trustlessness, permissionless, immutability, censorship resistance, etc.   To succeed they will try to weaken the principles by centralizing the nodes, operating opaquely, weakening immutablity and privacy , removing trustlessness and permissionless, etc .

They did not succeed for example with attempts to filter and censor Bitcoin transactions.
MARA mining pool is an example years ago.
CORRECTION: Marathon Digital Holdings to Launch the First North American-Based Bitcoin Mining Pool, Fully Compliant with U.S. Regulations.
Marathon Digital Holdings Becomes the First North American Enterprise Miner to Produce Fully AML and OFAC Compliant Bitcoin.

But we have something far greater than the system to depend on, which is our CREATOR

Don't rely on the creator, the founder, I think you implied about Satoshi Nakamoto.

The founder did great jobs from ideas, Bitcoin Whitepaper, programed Bitcoin protocol and updated it before leaving the community and disappearing completely but Bitcoin project is actually decentralized and history so far shows that Bitcoin can be developed well by Bitcoin community.

[348Judah]

The current threats that is going about bitcoin network is the quantum computers attacks that they may penetrating to do bitcoin network, but many have been kicking against us because of Us secured bitcoin network is desperate in abilities of quantum computers as well, the reason why everyone is considering bitcoin is because of the security and privacy, and I don't think this can be at the risk of any other advanced technology penetrating the bitcoin network.

[ColdLava40]

What the hell are you talking about? Bringing God into a discussion about code and consensus mechanisms is just absurd.

Bitcoin doesn't run on divine intervention. It runs on math, open-source code, and incentives.

Bitcoin is divine 

The way nodes are, it can not be centralized. I think nodes are the most decentralized part of bitcoin which no government and centralized authority will be able to take over. And other aspects like mining are also not centralized. The way bitcoin is designed is enough to stop a takeover by central authorities or government.

For nodes, yes they cannot be centralized because anyone can run a node in the basement.

But mining, I would cut in on that. Though it still follows Bitcoin principles, but a large mining pool has advantage over smaller ones.

Just what I think though I'm open for corrections, but considering the higher hash rates which the generates, it allows them control a large share of network computing power.

Bitcoin isn't a religion. It's a pragmatic innovation. If it loses its relevance, then there's no point defending it. Something else will have to replace it. There's no point pleading for a creator to intervene.

It still has a long way to go. Bitcoin is yet to achieve a large portion of it's purpose, one thing still holding it back is adoption plus regulation from many countries.

Bitcoin was meant to give freedom and not control. So those government still trying to control how their people use it are an obstacle to Bitcoins main stream.

The creator?

I doubt Satoshi would turn up even if something bad were to happen to the network.

[Charles-Tim]

But mining, I would cut in on that. Though it still follows Bitcoin principles, but a large mining pool has advantage over smaller ones.

Just what I think though I'm open for corrections, but considering the higher hash rates which the generates, it allows them control a large share of network computing power.

The mining pools have many miners that join their pool. The bitcoin mined and earned in transactions that is in the block mined are distributed to their miners according to the hashrates that each miners are contributing to the pool. What you can say may be centralized is who determines the say during soft and hard fork.

[bitbollo]

There is already a change of narrative around bitcoin. If you rememeber based on the moment, people have associated btc/users with some kind of actions...
Initially was with dark markets and related merch/usage. After it was the story of "rich early adopter". It's too expensive... It's too hard to understand...

Nowadays there is an extreme focus on problem related storage and handling in a safe way... Or just to mention in EU they have tried to push a narrative about "pollution" and "water consumption".
It doesn't seems, but in the meantime bitcoin get more space in our lifes / public spaces, the narrative could push out of the common people/basic users.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

By the "system," You mean the government, right? If yes, I'd say, they have been trying to take over Bitcoin, fighting it the way they can but they have not been able to take over and if it was really so easy to be takeen over by the system, they would have done that a long time ago but it's not that easy, that's why they have introduced KYCs to centralized exchange as means to get personal information of people using Bitcoin. As for those that are using CEX and has passed KYC, assuming the government wants to cease Bitcoin from users, don't be surprised to get a knock on your door by the government if such event unfolds, because they will just have to ask the CEX to hand over your details to them.

[KiaKia]

I might still be a little high since I don't where or what the last paragraph mean
And on taking over
They don't have to change anything about bitcoin
What they need is to change how people make use of it
Which so far has been easy
Make People believe third party is easier which would make regulations and restrictions
And convince them all this are for their own Good.

Don't type while you are high, or is it holy ghost that's sending you what to write? I am a huge fan of Batman,  see you wearing that username and getting high makes me won't to confront you, hahaha.

If we are alone, without assistance from something greater than fiat/centralized system, it will be possible for Bitcoin to be captured by the system, which is basically the "greatest power in earth,"

The Bitcoin principles make capture difficult but not impossible. Attempts have been made in the past to capture Bitcoin but they have to break through the principles of decentralization of Bitcoin, transparency, trustlessness, permissionless, immutability, censorship resistance, etc.   To succeed they will try to weaken the principles by centralizing the nodes, operating opaquely, weakening immutablity and privacy , removing trustlessness and permissionless, etc . Has this happened or is already happening? Investigate properly, you'll probably see the signs. Notwistanding if they succeed in breaking the principles they will finally face SOMETHING greater than them, WHO typically intervenes when the going becomes impossible for mere mortals.

The system does not give up. It moves like zombies regardless of what is shot at it. It moves and infect, and before you realize it, your friends, boss, those you count on or trust to maintain the principles will start working with it and against you. But we have something far greater than the system to depend on, which is our CREATOR

OP nothing is needed to be changed about Bitcoin and even while we evolve into newer technology there is no patching up anything about Bitcoin, it's perfect the way it is right now.

The only option that those in power have is confusing people to keep their Bitcoin in the banks or in the hands of centralised authority, the decentralisation is there already and it's left for everyone to either start using Bitcoin in a decentralised way or the other.

[Fiatless]

If we are alone, without assistance from something greater than fiat/centralized system, it will be possible for Bitcoin to be captured by the system, which is basically the "greatest power in earth,"

The Bitcoin principles make capture difficult but not impossible. Attempts have been made in the past to capture Bitcoin but they have to break through the principles of decentralization of Bitcoin, transparency, trustlessness, permissionless, immutability, censorship resistance, etc.   To succeed they will try to weaken the principles by centralizing the nodes, operating opaquely, weakening immutablity and privacy , removing trustlessness and permissionless, etc . Has this happened or is already happening? Investigate properly, you'll probably see the signs. Notwistanding if they succeed in breaking the principles they will finally face SOMETHING greater than them, WHO typically intervenes when the going becomes impossible for mere mortals.

I don't know what you mean by trustlessness in this context. From personal views, I assume that centralised systems would find it difficult to weaken or erode the trust people have in Bitcoin. Over the years, people have lost confidence in goverment financial systems. People have always sought alternatives and Bitcoin has performed well in that regard. The trust people have in Bitcoin has kept increasing. The system has had some setbacks like wallet hacks and others, yet it is still trusted by many.

The system does not give up. It moves like zombies regardless of what is shot at it. It moves and infect, and before you realize it, your friends, boss, those you count on or trust to maintain the principles will start working with it and against you. But we have something far greater than the system to depend on, which is our CREATOR

The fight to control Bitcoin is still on, but for now the system is decentralised. I also believe in the power of the Creator and his ability to control the affairs of men.