Impressed at how bad of a copy is Pragmatic compared to Hacksaw

[ryzaadit]

Well, then I am in the cold section pretty much 75% of the times I play the new games with this provider. I know pretty well the reality of gambling yet this provider by offering lots of new enhancements in their new games seems like want attention from gamblers by promising like Trump now things that are plain lies and cannot be fulfilled for the American citizens ( in here gamblers)  .

I must said, If you don't have lucky enough on Slots, try to different games (Casino, Live-games or other).

I saw the post @Bitnity, seem you are also a fan of PlayNGo as well. I once in 2021-2022 at the time still participated on Slots for Contest playing mostly these two provider. I make my own gambling fallacy for both providers (one of the gambling fallancy, sharing with you for interval 130-250 spins). Could be slots is not your games, I switch from Slots to Casino either for (Baccarat, Blackjack, Live-Games) having a good experience and bigs win.

Meanwhile, for slots, my biggest hist just 990x not even reached over 1,000$ winning. While on (Baccarat, BJ, Live-Games), got some betting win like over 7,000-8,000$. But, I must admit for the past 3-4 month these years got a prety shits result as well.

Streak loses for 3-4 month ~LOL. I try to controls my gambling right now.

[TedMosby]

[...] My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, [...]

Wait... What have I been missing here? Can someone explain? Because I am still playing some slot titles by Pragmatic Play. I am still playing all Gates of Olympus versions. But lately, I've been playing more Mahjong Ways by PG Soft. I haven't even played slots by Hacksaw Gaming before. Maybe it's because of my habits, that I only pick popular or featured slot titles on the front page. I rarely deep dive into the casino to find and try random games I've never heard of. But I have tried some other slots, but I don't really remember what the game provider is. I just play and forget, except for slots that give me a bit more frequent wins like Gates of Olympus and Mahjong Ways. I am not shilling it, not a recommendation either, this is just based on my experience. People have different luck.

[Smartprofit]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

Here, I think the main catch is that the chance of receiving a bonus is very small (with or without the 8x chances feature). 🙋

Let's say the probability of hitting a bonus was 0.2 percent. With the 8x chances feature, it would be 1.6 percent. But that's still a critically low probability! Moreover, Pragmatic charges a hefty premium fee for this new option. You have to pay more for every click. As a result, the probability of losing your entire bankroll increases dramatically!

A very clever move! Essentially, Pragmatic exploits the inability of most players to correctly assess the probabilities of various events. People haven't studied the mathematical theory of probability, and Pragmatic is profiting from it...🙆

[ImGenius]

I don't know how the Pragmatic Play probability mechanism actually works. Until today every time I have turned on turbo mode and spin my balance has run out but I haven't gotten any big win like that.

If I play with turbo mode on does the chance of getting a big win become lower or could it also be a problem with my luck?

Are the probabilities in slot games actually random or are they set by their system?

I was playing a slot game it gave me nothing for continuous 30 spin, is it normal I don't remember which platform or game it was. How do they actually generate overall profit based on what calculation Is their profit percentage 1 to 2%, or what?

[KiaKia]

Pragmatic can get scary very fast, highly volatile in nature but if luck is on your side it can also get interesting to the opposite of volatility too, I don't like trying to figure which is best because I don't have to do this to make money.

Many people are obsessed with this because they desperately need to make money from gambling itself so they have all the time in their hands to keep digging what I would call unnecessary.

Why should I embark on this research if risking $10 in a week is all I can do? And still I have many good days where I make the unexpected rewards, small amount of risks equals better amounts of good feelings.

[iv4n]

... and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus...

I tried it, and I wasn't lucky... After +50 spins, I decided it's not worth it, and I simply moved to another slot. Many providers offer those ante bets, but sometimes even after hundreds of spins, we don't hit a bonus round... So it's just about Pragmatic, I had a similar experience with Hackshaw, NoLimit, Thunderkick, and some others. I'm not sure about the math behind it, but when we are unlucky and spins are so expensive that regular wins don't even count, we lose balance pretty quickly.

[yahoo62278]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

IMO all the bonus options are a scam in the feature spins. The probabilities just don't seem to be worth it long run. Cheaper to just spam buy the bonus and take your chances. That's on Hacksaw, Pragmatic, or anyone else offering these spin options. They're all shit.

[Junii]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus

Bro the 8× theory is a possibility not a certainty of a bonus. You may have to try try again since each spin is independent. Even though it might seem nuts and bolts 300-400 spins without a bonus is a lot. I'd argue that the true comparison would be made on RTP and volatility instead of the number of spins since the spins trap is outdated and there is a greater possibility of it being manipulated. But when the game is advertised as 8x more chances and you can keep playing for hundreds of spins without the opportunity to get the feature that's another expectation.

[swogerino]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

IMO all the bonus options are a scam in the feature spins. The probabilities just don't seem to be worth it long run. Cheaper to just spam buy the bonus and take your chances. That's on Hacksaw, Pragmatic, or anyone else offering these spin options. They're all shit.

I strongly agree with you, after trying all possibilities out I come to the conclusion that buying the best bonus the one costing you 1000x to enter is the best chance in this Sweet Bonanza 2500 as they already announced Gates of Olympus 2500 on 28th September release, which can be a hit if they continue the same format as here. Keep in mind you need a really high bankroll to buy this 1000x bonus more than 10-15 times to have a chance of profit.

[red4slash]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

For some gamblers who are actually studying being in Pragmatic is just a waste of time but for others who have minimal capital pragmatic is always a solution because of the minimum bet they still receive.

In my neighborhood (which still relies on local sites for most gamblers) pragmatic is still always used as an option because of its minimum bet so they will not care about the odds or bet offer 8x because what they care about is how they play and try to find profits with small bets and it is still happening today.
But for gamblers who are more trying to analyze as an initial stage before playing, sometimes pragmatic is always the option that is below and I also feel that because sometimes what is raised to the surface is just an offer that looks tempting but sometimes it is difficult to reach and pragmatic uses it as one of their advantages.

[henmark]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

It's been some time since I last played games from Pragmatic, and at that time, the ante only offered 2x chances of getting the bonus round if enabled, and I didn't play the new games with 8x chances of hitting the bonus round. However, even at that time, it used to take a lot of spins to actually hit the bonus both with ante enabled and with normal spins, and because of this, I've always considered Pragmatic games to be the worst when it comes to this because whenever I play games from other providers, the bonus just comes way more often than it does when you are playing games from Pragmatic. This is why I stopped playing their games because you mostly only lose.

No one should quote me and say that winning and losing are a part of it and it's gambling and I should expect those results, because I know all this, but when we talk about general probabilities of hitting a bonus, it seems to take forever for some game developers to hit a bonus round, whereas it is relatively quicker with others. I know that slots are money-eating machines, one shouldn't expect to win a lot of money from slots, especially if they play them regularly, but I always play only for fun and never aim for huge profits.

[swogerino]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

It's been some time since I last played games from Pragmatic, and at that time, the ante only offered 2x chances of getting the bonus round if enabled, and I didn't play the new games with 8x chances of hitting the bonus round. However, even at that time, it used to take a lot of spins to actually hit the bonus both with ante enabled and with normal spins, and because of this, I've always considered Pragmatic games to be the worst when it comes to this because whenever I play games from other providers, the bonus just comes way more often than it does when you are playing games from Pragmatic. This is why I stopped playing their games because you mostly only lose.

No one should quote me and say that winning and losing are a part of it and it's gambling and I should expect those results, because I know all this, but when we talk about general probabilities of hitting a bonus, it seems to take forever for some game developers to hit a bonus round, whereas it is relatively quicker with others. I know that slots are money-eating machines, one shouldn't expect to win a lot of money from slots, especially if they play them regularly, but I always play only for fun and never aim for huge profits.

That is one of my crucial points of this thread, Pragmatic take ages to hit the bonus in most of their games despite having achieved better rates in their new games yet they are still way far behind compared to providers like Hacksaw which usually they give you the bonus way more often with Ante bet enables. People still play me included because of their minimum bet and I use ARS so I can try their 1000x bonus buy with just 6 dollars spending as that is 10000 ARS to buy the best bonus.

[Texac]

Pragmatic can get scary very fast, highly volatile in nature but if luck is on your side it can also get interesting to the opposite of volatility too, I don't like trying to figure which is best because I don't have to do this to make money.

Many people are obsessed with this because they desperately need to make money from gambling itself so they have all the time in their hands to keep digging what I would call unnecessary.

Yeah, problem start when any gambler tries to turn gambling into source of regular income. That’s when they start looking for pattern that may not even exist, comparing providers, changing strategies and increasing their bets in hope of finding some kind of edge over casino. But high volatility of Pragmatic or any other provider doesn’t give player that kind of advantage, it mainly changes how win and loss are distributed.

I also like the idea of keeping risk small and fixed. But when someone comes in with goal of making money, even a pretty big win often isn’t enough, they start wanting to keep playing and win even more.

[YellowSwap]

For many gamblers it's best they don't know the difference between these game providers because the day they know the difference or start looking into game providers is when they will start looking for what's not lost.

It will feel like they have lost the desire to just focus on gambling and have a good time before getting busy with life again, if you don't care much about you having to hit a big win then don't bother doing some digging.

I am talking for a friend who is no longer with us today, trying to find which is better wasted alot of his time, it's sad that his life got cut short in the end, although this doesn't mean that everyone will feel this way.

[Findingnemo]

AFAIK, those are not public information so we can't verify how their free bets are triggered. Each game is different, and there can be a lot of resemblance between two and still the possibility of winning can vary a lot.

And then you played 500 spins which is not a replication of how often the bonus comes, and the average number is irrelevant when it comes to individual bets.

Honestly, I never cared about them, I just buy bonus pack and go for the spin and the rest is not up to me.

[len01]

My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen,

I'm not sure if there are still many gamblers on this forum who play slots from pragmatic, but from what I've seen, the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249415.2000 has started to become quiet, and it seems like hardly anyone visits it anymore. Usually, there were many gamblers sharing their experiences with pragmatic in that thread.

TBH, ever since pragmatic introduced its new innovations and added many features that are quite similar to those from Hacksaw, I've become less interested in playing their slots. I tried Gates of Olympus 1000 once and bought the super spin feature for $100, only to get a $1.40 win. That really pissed me off and made me lose interest in playing again.

I really miss the old Gates of Olympus, which used to give max wins more often. Even though the max win was only 5000x, I found it much more impressive than having a 10000x max win that is extremely difficult to hit.

[Iranus]

I strongly agree with you, after trying all possibilities out I come to the conclusion that buying the best bonus the one costing you 1000x to enter is the best chance in this Sweet Bonanza 2500 as they already announced Gates of Olympus 2500 on 28th September release, which can be a hit if they continue the same format as here. Keep in mind you need a really high bankroll to buy this 1000x bonus more than 10-15 times to have a chance of profit.

Just because you achieved good result after trying 1000x bonus buy few times, it wouldn't be right to label it best way to make profit.

Only advantage of bonus buy is that it take you straight to feature.

However, that doesn't necessarily improve your chance of making any profit or overall profitability.

Ultimately game's odds and RTP will determine whether you make profit or incur any loss in long run.

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

For some gamblers who are actually studying being in Pragmatic is just a waste of time but for others who have minimal capital pragmatic is always a solution because of the minimum bet they still receive.

It is truly frustrating not to trigger any bonus even after 300 to 500 spin.

However, I wouldn't want to conclude that Hacksaw game are good and Pragmatic games are bad based on just this one session.

After all you might land more bonus on Hacksaw during any random session. Also you might get fewer on Pragmatic.
But this doesn't prove that chance of getting any bonus on Hacksaw are actually much higher.

[Franklyn-wood]

So hacksawgaming has lower volatility than pragmatic play? I will never even know this because I believe that people doing research on such are those who want to find the easier path to nailing a jackpot or easy win.

Anyways, hacksaw gaming do have visuals and they offer unique mechanics and this sets them apart from other competitors, but everyone is free to do whatever they like.

I engage in online casino games to find what I could possibly like the best and this makes me less worried about which game providers are better than others.

With what i studied about hacksaw gamings is that they have different games like scratch cards, visuals, slot and other gamings compared with other gaming centres with visual games to know which is the best, but I believe one thing is that everyone have there choices to make no matter how it is.
I have tried progmatics games several times, but I am not that good in playing some of this kind of games compared with visuals which is a little bit easier for me than progmatic games.

[swogerino]

I think that enough bad publicity is done to Pragmatic for all the suffering it put me through, the reason was their super low minimum bet that kept me engaged but after winning like 200 dollars from 15 dollars today morning I lost it all in the lunch break in the same game Sweet Bonanza 2500, they have crafted it to perfection to fool even experienced gamblers like me as I gamble since early 2000-s and I have seen it all yet this game kept me thinking this next bonus buy will bring me the max win and only put me even through more lost money. I can clearly grade Pragmatic as one of the worse providers, only NoLimitCity is this worse when they hit a cold session. I guess we have said it all but waiting a bit more insights on Pragmatic before locking the thread, never I get enough insights about this criminal slot provider.

[adultcrypto]

So in these new games Pragmatic tries to emulate what Hacksaw has been doing for years, they offer like 3-4 type of bonuses, super spins, super spins with a min multiplier or accumulative like Sweet Bonanza 2500 and they say also ante bet offering 8x the chances to get the free spins which is very funny as sometimes over 300-350 spins it does not give you the bonus, meaning if normal spins would be played it is 300x8 equals to 2400 spins without the bonus. My natural question is who the f*ck plays Pragmatic nowadays knowing such things happen, I tried with free money and also some bonus money and the result was the same, for example in Hacksaw in a game like Le Prechaun you cannot go 500 spins without a bonus and the ante there is 3-5 times more chance to get the bonus and not 8x chance. Can anyone explain the algorithm that Pragmatic uses as it does not make sense at all?

Funny how I did not know this details yet I have been glued to Hacksaw games opposed to Pragmatic games. Should I say it is because of this I have had more good wins in Hacksaw games which is the reason I tend to love their games more. There are many good providers out their but from my testing of various games, I have come to the conclusion that Hacksaw provider have given me more of my lucky wins than any other provider.