BIP-110 Split (continued)

[BayAreaCoins]

Good for you, they probably have wasted enough energy and time harassing neoxa.

I saw that and thought it was kind of weird... perhaps just a publicity stunt(?). Who knows... a fair bit of everything in life is Wrestling (WWE style).

We made a Github request this morning to be listed, Melvin did ask, but it wasn't an issue.  https://github.com/bitcoin-blake/awesome-bitcoin-blake/issues/3

StevenSteiner
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AltQuick (https://altquick.com), a US exchange running since 2015, lists Bitcoin Blake2b with a BTC pair: https://altquick.com/market/bitcoin-blake2b-bitcoin/

AltQuick uses the same deposit address for Bitcoin and Blake2b, so users who deposit BTC also get their Blake2b credited for free, a safe way to claim it that no other exchange offers.

Could you add it to the Exchanges section of the README? Thanks!

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melvincarvalho commented 13 hours ago
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Excellent, will do! Will you do a pair for testnet too?

melvincarvalho commented 13 hours ago
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btw exchanges are preferring the ticker XBT right now

StevenSteiner commented 13 hours ago
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Thanks Melvin! There are no plans for a Blake testnet pair, because we're busy getting ready for Bitcoin Testnet5. We know about XBT, but we're sticking with our current ticker.

melvincarvalho commented 12 hours ago
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Allright. I will continue to support testnet4, I am not so keen on testnet5. Will add to the list.


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Exchanges: AltQuick (BTC2B/BTC), the one BTC pair; deposits share the…

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melvincarvalho commented 12 hours ago
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Added in cfb8cd5 under Exchanges: BTC2B/BTC, noting the shared deposit address and the BTC2B ticker. Thanks for the details.

I don't want to piss him off esp if he supports Testnet 4... My v4 bags are disgusting, to say the least.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Also, I just did a bit of a look. And from what I can see nobody has mentioned the stuff that was put on the 110 chain using the bitfiles app.
Don't know if it's been censored or just that they don't know about it.

I really can't see them not knowing but if they never leave their bubble world they might not.

Whatever.

-Dave

I had a back/forth with a Blake2b shitcoiner who did not believe there was such things on their wonderful chain - I gave him a few examples and their response was one of confusion but then they were like "we still make it harder to do and reduce the size"

full denial

[stompix]

Let's start with a warning: If you don't plan to expand your horizons and learn what furry futa is , don't visit bitfiles! 
Also, it appears even the NSFW filters don't know what that is, complete failure of a filter.

But now comes the furry lol, funny part seems that magically spam transactions are no longer spam on blakecoin!
Copium level 2000 on discord:

You can NOT send a picture on bitcoin. That is not a thing. You can only send a monetary transaction, period. Anything that is not a monetary transaction will be rejected as invalid. Now, are there a million different ways you can create to make your spam look like a monetary transaction? Yes, there are.

The jpeg doesnt actually exist. Its just transactions. Do we want those transactions? no, but nobody has invented any solution to make those transactions not happen, and quite likely they never will invent that solution.

So much for the spam free chain...

[DaveF]

Let's start with a warning: If you don't plan to expand your horizons and learn what furry futa is , don't visit bitfiles! 
Also, it appears even the NSFW filters don't know what that is, complete failure of a filter.

But now comes the furry lol, funny part seems that magically spam transactions are no longer spam on blakecoin!
Copium level 2000 on discord:

You can NOT send a picture on bitcoin. That is not a thing. You can only send a monetary transaction, period. Anything that is not a monetary transaction will be rejected as invalid. Now, are there a million different ways you can create to make your spam look like a monetary transaction? Yes, there are.

The jpeg doesnt actually exist. Its just transactions. Do we want those transactions? no, but nobody has invented any solution to make those transactions not happen, and quite likely they never will invent that solution.

So much for the spam free chain...

So, was that you dumping all that in the chain?
And the other question is with the blurry color bars that are numbered is that someone doing steganography or something else? Since there is no context as to what & why we may never know.

-Dave

[stompix]

So, was that you dumping all that in the chain?

I would want to take credit for spamming that chain, but to be honest, I'm so lazy I wasn't able to even move some blakecoins to a wallet!
The other problem is that the coins used might be traced back to my wallets, as I have no idea how to mix those without tainting by real btc with so...nope, I'm just trying to push someone else to do it  

And the other question is with the blurry color bars that are numbered is that someone doing steganography or something else?

I starred at those pics for minutes, and now I'm seeing sounds and hearing colors but still can't figure what the hell is in those pictures...
Is that truly a 3D Stereogram like google lenses said, or have I been looking at some random colors like a moron for half an hour?
Oh god, what am I doing with my life....

Never mind that, somebody actually wrote a 18 page whitepaper pdf and put it on chain
https://bitfiles.io/btcb2/cc3d2e62b3c81de7aa93757fe0a6a25c826483746cd232c26234f7d8af05309f

The catalogue of heresy
In the manifesto's language, heresy is not disagreement. Disagreement is often the first useful test. Heresy is a category
error asserted after correction:
• calling XBT or Bitcoin Blake2b a fork rather than the real Bitcoin;
• naming the opposing chain without the prescribed “pedo-chain” or “liar-chain” affix;
• mining XBT for profit before performing the required self-flagellation;
• questioning the holy command or the decisions made last night;
• communicating plainly on social media when confusion could recruit another churchgoer;
• and, under the September 26 clarification of Rule 3, calling the opposing chain “Bitcoin” or “BTC” rather than
“Spamcoin,” or calling Bcash/BSV “Bitcoin Cash/SV.”

[athanred]

The other problem is that the coins used might be traced back to my wallets

Good point. By observing UTXOs on both chains, before they are splitted, it is sometimes possible to guess many things.

However, the answer to that is the same, as if there would be no forks: how to hide your coins properly? You have to just mix them, in that way, or another.

One way of mixing your coins, is making a signature, which is open for transaction modifications. For example: a self-transfer with SIGHASH_SINGLE, combined with SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY, will let you move your coin to a new destination, while allowing inclusion in other transactions. And then, it doesn't matter, who and when will push it on-chain. If you won't do that by yourself, then your coins will be mixed with some strangers.

I still wonder, who was in such a hurry, and decided to send 0.01 0.02 BIP-110 coins in fees, before they even changed their mining algorithm: https://mempool.guide/tx/780cd1d3d19139825489cfb1998287de3c2cceb46446c2a71218f05c785a0c84

I would want to take credit for spamming that chain, but to be honest, I'm so lazy I wasn't able to even move some blakecoins to a wallet!

You know, that pushing data can be outsourced, right? You can upload a file, download a JSON recovery data, and then share that JSON with anyone, who will want to push it on-chain. Then, other people can publish it later.

I starred at those pics for minutes, and now I'm seeing sounds and hearing colors but still can't figure what the hell is in those pictures...

Because you shouldn't stare at them, but instead check some insignificant bits. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography#Digital_messages

Here, you have a tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography#/media/File:Steganography_original.png
But inside of that tree, there are cats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography#/media/File:Steganography_recovered.png

Because a human's eye can recognize thousands of colours, but in RGB space, there are much, much more. And instead of using values from 0x00 to 0xff, you can for example use increments of 0x04 or 0x08, and then instead of having 24-bit pixels, you can have 16-bit real image, and 8-bit hidden image. Or that 8-bit stream can contain anything, for example some text data.

[stompix]

You know, that pushing data can be outsourced, right? You can upload a file, download a JSON recovery data, and then share that JSON with anyone, who will want to push it on-chain. Then, other people can publish it later.

I'm ashamed of what I even think of putting there, do you think I will let other people know it was me?
If I do this, others will clearly think it was me who was doing the furry porn for sure, no way
Probably I will just buy $5 worth of Blake back, considering I already sold haf a coin at twice the price and just use bifiles behind tor

Because you shouldn't stare at them, but instead check some insignificant bits.

I thought it was this kind of illusion, won't even bother with something that complicated


That being said and watching the Discord channel and seeing that the uploaders are definitely doing the same that I know what's going to happen: somebody is going to put something really bad there, like really bad, probably not direct-to-jail material but still knock-at-the-door pictures.

Especially since cguida is such a dumbfuck that he is dooming everyone with this crap:

cguida —
This is how you have to use bitcoin luketard with the bip110 rules activated. You cannot just attach an image. You have to disguise it as a payment!
~
And data that can be converted into csam by separate software is not csam

You don't need a crystal ball to figure out what will be next

[DaveF]

Not my work, no idea if it's legit or what but someone made this for pushing images to the 110 chain.

https://github.com/smolcars/bcashjr-wallet

Don't know if anyone has a spare VM to test it on. I might try to test it this week if I have time.

Wonder who else is working on stuff.

And bitfiles now allows for larger files.

https://bitfiles.io/btcb2/184b36d61fa94f2abdfe4bb0201236ce7eab9c4206880a59195f8f62ce919189
https://bitfiles.io/btcb2/18e195667353270576915a18324d3875fc92acd5600d5c7954b683c34dbd1b70

Going to be an interesting week for the 110 supporters.

-Dave

[stompix]

https://bitfiles.io/btcb2/18e195667353270576915a18324d3875fc92acd5600d5c7954b683c34dbd1b70
Going to be an interesting week for the 110 supporters.

-Dave

I browsed the website a bit, seems like everything that Luke did is going to bite him in the ass and stay as proof on that chain!
Somebody paid $4, lols, to upload the entire pdf of the Quran? 
Luke is probably going crazy if he has seen that, but this is irony level 1000, he was the first guy to insert Bible verses in the Coinbase field.

$3 per Mb, $1200 for a compressed 720p episode of GoT

[MoparMiningLLC]

I also find it funny that they are trying to use "XBT" when "XBT" and "BTC" belong to the same currency, Bitcoin.

Are they trying to use it to spread the confusion? blur the lines between Bitcoin and their shitcoin?

[pooya87]

I also find it funny that they are trying to use "XBT" when "XBT" and "BTC" belong to the same currency, Bitcoin.

Are they trying to use it to spread the confusion? blur the lines between Bitcoin and their shitcoin?

Perhaps but all they'll do is limiting themselves. Only some unknown exchange that doesn't know any better would use XBT, everything else (assuming they get listed anywhere else) would use something else to avoid confusion.

BCash became BCH despite wanting to be called BTC. BBlake could be BBL and exchanges should use that in my opinion. I searched on CMC and there are 4 shittokens with the same short name but they look dead and CMC doesn't even track them.

[ultrloa]

I also find it funny that they are trying to use "XBT" when "XBT" and "BTC" belong to the same currency, Bitcoin.

Are they trying to use it to spread the confusion? blur the lines between Bitcoin and their shitcoin?

Perhaps but all they'll do is limiting themselves. Only some unknown exchange that doesn't know any better would use XBT, everything else (assuming they get listed anywhere else) would use something else to avoid confusion.

BCash became BCH despite wanting to be called BTC. BBlake could be BBL and exchanges should use that in my opinion. I searched on CMC and there are 4 shittokens with the same short name but they look dead and CMC doesn't even track them.

But I think there's confusion happening here, since for what I read XBT still Bitcoin and that word is been used for ISO compliance.

Bitcoin carries two ticker symbols: BTC, the community-chosen and widely used abbreviation, and XBT, the ISO 4217-compliant code created for international financial systems. The difference exists because BTC conflicts with existing country codes while XBT follows the convention for non-national assets. Both refer to exactly the same cryptocurrency.

Source of that information https://unanswered.io/guide/why-is-bitcoin-called-xbt-instead-of-btc?

Also they stated here the reason on why they used XBT on Bitcoin.

ISO 4217 requires the first two letters of a currency code to represent a country[1].

BT is already assigned to Bhutan, so BTC violates the standard[1][2].

Bitcoin also has no national tie, which creates a second conflict with the country-code rule[4].

So that's the reason why they used XBT and I think there's no intention to confuse people, since this matter is all about technicalities and ISO don't allow them to use BTC.

[DaveF]

So that's the reason why they used XBT and I think there's no intention to confuse people, since this matter is all about technicalities and ISO don't allow them to use BTC.

There you go thinking they care about technicalities or reasonable things to do. Have you seen some of the slop they are posting? I know it's just crap on X but
https://x.com/GregTonoski/status/2107369284217323947
Let's fork every month, what could possibly go wrong.

On that note, wonder if they are going to have to fork anyway to change the algo:
https://bitfiles.io/btcb2/42974aeba6d39d6ca403547e5bb1af0f39afc6fadca8cd7d4281f2ad3edb29e6

Could be someone just trolling, could be someone had enough spare money and can get enough spare power to harass them.

-Dave

[MoparMiningLLC]

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Their (the bip110 shitcoiners) reason to use XBT is because they claim their shitcoin IS Bitcoin so that is why they are using XBT.

However, their shitcoin is not Bitcoin so it could lead to confusion if they were to have it listed anywhere as XBT.

So far they have only the one exchange who they first attacked and got delisted from within a week of the original listing. The exchange eventually relisted them though.

[pooya87]

So far they have only the one exchange who they first attacked and got delisted from within a week of the original listing. The exchange eventually relisted them though.

That was an interesting chain of events that one might even call a publicity stunt.
Who would have heard of this unknown exchange without this drama? Also if we check their site now, interestingly enough 93% of their total trading volume belongs to LukeCoin ($641k out of $689k). So it was a successful stunt.... for now!

[BayAreaCoins]

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Their (the bip110 shitcoiners) reason to use XBT is because they claim their shitcoin IS Bitcoin so that is why they are using XBT.

However, their shitcoin is not Bitcoin so it could lead to confusion if they were to have it listed anywhere as XBT.

So far they have only the one exchange who they first attacked and got delisted from within a week of the original listing. The exchange eventually relisted them though.

https://altquick.com/market/bitcoin-blake2b-bitcoin/

They got more than one exchange!

I actually got my BLAKE sold successfully on our site the other day.  Our markets have buyers, it seems.  Probably just arb trading.