The trick I used to bail my money out of abusive casinos

[swogerino]

This sounds like a loophole in the system to get your money out even in the event you are not entitled too but I think few are the casinos who will comply with this, the real good ones and with good support will argue that you did not complete the rollover requirement and not let you withdraw no matter if you CC the email to country regulators, the casino has the right to deny a request based on such evidence completely disregarding the regulator entity as long as they are in their right to do so. I had never problems with rollover as I can pass up to 45x rollover without problems.

[Barikui1]

Most of these casinos are just lazy if that's the right word to use, they know what they are supposed to be and instead of working on it they keep on procrastinating. I'm sure they wouldn't have solved your issue if you didn't talk about closing your account, this is what made process the withdrawal otherwise it would have been from one excuse to another. Most of these casinos aren't scammers but their approach to resolving issues makes them seem that way.

I don't think they were lazy bro, and if you are thinking that they were lazy in doing the kyc verification, then it's obvious that you are still naive not to know all these tricks, because like 95% of casino in this space wouldn't want you to withdraw a winning gotten from a bonus when you did not even make a single deposit, or if I may ask, would you be happy to pay a new user that registered with the casino and did not make a single deposit, and he started winning real cash with the little bonus money given to him to start with, will you be happy to pay if you were the one that have the casino?

I really don't think so, and it's because of that they were stalling the verification process, just to discourage him, but because he is persistent and he threatened them, that's why he was finally paid, if not they would have continue dragging their feet up until now.

[Gost ms]

Gambling is one thing that is guided by rules and regulations especially when ever you see a casino doing a promo, I believe that before anyone will take part in a promo that a casino is bringing such a person will go through the rules guiding the promo, such as wagering and how you can withdraw your winnings. Most gamblers don't care about this and only got stuck when they are told about wagering before withdrawals, so I will not call casinos as abusive.

Gambling has rules and regulations all the licensed casinos are abiding on but that does not mean that any of these casinos can not misbehave due to the decisive power they have to freeze their users funds due to the terms that have set to guide all players using their platform. Fulfillment of the wagering requirement can be increased or reduced based on each casino terms for their players.
You can make a deposit and fulfill the wagering requirement and lost everything you have deposited.

Yeah some casinos can be that fishy but in all as players, so many don’t keep to the casino rules because they don’t even know the rules to begin with and when the player get stucked, they feel the casino is been abusive. There are some things we as players will do on a casino website that look to us as if we are on the right track not knowing the casino does not want that because we don’t read. Most players are only attracted to bonuses and promo without checking rules and regulations that comes with, so we can’t blame casinos all the time.

Most people do this and this picture is more visible in the case of those who have become addicted to gambling. All the people around me who have become addicted to gambling do not read the rules of the casino while gambling and they all only keep an eye on the bonus and they use the casino which gives the most bonus.

Yes, some casinos are fraudulent, but many casinos are not fraudulent and when the person who uses that casino goes outside the rules of the casino, then some complications arise in their account and they think that the casino is fraudulent. It is very important and necessary to read the rules before using each casino

[Mayor of ogba]

Most of these casinos are just lazy if that's the right word to use, they know what they are supposed to be and instead of working on it they keep on procrastinating. I'm sure they wouldn't have solved your issue if you didn't talk about closing your account, this is what made process the withdrawal otherwise it would have been from one excuse to another. Most of these casinos aren't scammers but their approach to resolving issues makes them seem that way.

Most casinos aren't lazy they know what they are doing, and any gambler that don't know their common trick of delaying withdrawal will continue gambling and exhaust all his or her money. Yes, Op wouldn't have had access to the money he won if he didn't request for his casinos account or gambling account to be close because the intention of the casino is to give him lime excuses just to delay his withdrawal so that he can continue gambling and end up losing everything back to them.

[xenomorfo]

This sounds like a loophole in the system to get your money out even in the event you are not entitled too but I think few are the casinos who will comply with this, the real good ones and with good support will argue that you did not complete the rollover requirement and not let you withdraw no matter if you CC the email to country regulators, the casino has the right to deny a request based on such evidence completely disregarding the regulator entity as long as they are in their right to do so. I had never problems with rollover as I can pass up to 45x rollover without problems.

Of course it's a cop-out, an excuse. They are basically stealing from you by taking advantage of the law, like those exchanges that first make you pay in the money and then ask you for 1000 documents if you want to withdraw.
I've read so many stories like this on the forum. Many, indeed too many for a just world.

[Somegory]

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I think one of the most common tricks they could use to hold down your money is either KYC related or rule breach. Sometimes they can get rid of the whole ticket when they have KYC on you and that includes your IBAN. So in the nutshell you were also actually lucky mostly because you probably never broke a rule or exploited a loop hole.

If a casino doesn't want to pay out your money there's barely anything you can do unless you want to take legal actions and most times it's just futile because many of them are not even properly registered.

Then it's fine to just accept that many online casinos aren't legally registered, few of them even say they are licensed but we don't have anything we can use to know for sure if they are truly registered.

A casino can be unregulated and still tell their customers to follow some rules and regulations, because how can a registered casino failed to pay a gambler because he won large amount of money and blame it on them for not passing KYC after they rejects it.

Many things are still happening in this gambling space that needs monitoring and fixes, we can't even tell which one is which, everyone of them are registered and licensed but no way to proof it.

[Zigabel]

This trick will work very well for casinos that are under regulations just like in the case of OP, so make no mistake to think that this can work in other casinos that has got no regulatory licensing with them, and again i don't think this will work for every country so before you try this out, make sure to know the regulatory terms for casinos in your country and how effective this route may be if you are to explore it, otherwise you may end up loosing out completely.

This is one reason why it is always advised that if you don't like the KYC casinos, try as much as possible to avoid them and use other casinos out there, so you do not have to go through all of this because you want to get your winnings, some of them does this KYC issue just to take back from the gamblers, not all are real, some of the issues were created by them just to get you to loose your money and in some cases, they may go as far as adjusting their terms and policies so you remain helpless and at their mercy, because they know most gamblers don't pay attention to terms and policies until issues as this comes up

[5W-KILO]

Most of these casinos are just lazy if that's the right word to use, they know what they are supposed to be and instead of working on it they keep on procrastinating. I'm sure they wouldn't have solved your issue if you didn't talk about closing your account, this is what made process the withdrawal otherwise it would have been from one excuse to another. Most of these casinos aren't scammers but their approach to resolving issues makes them seem that way.

Most casinos aren't lazy they know what they are doing, and any gambler that don't know their common trick of delaying withdrawal will continue gambling and exhaust all his or her money. Yes, Op wouldn't have had access to the money he won if he didn't request for his casinos account or gambling account to be close because the intention of the casino is to give him lime excuses just to delay his withdrawal so that he can continue gambling and end up losing everything back to them.

I blame the gambler not the casino, I have completed several withdrawals online without looking back and later the withdrawal was processed, if you have to stop gambling then just do it.

Once you process the withdrawal log out of the casino and wait for your deposit into your crypto wallet, you don't have to continue gambling all because withdrawal is pending, I call such gamblers loose cannon.

What they lack is firm decision making, when it's time to stop you need to stop, I don't like associating myself with people who can't control their money decisions, they are weaklings who shouldn't be gambling.

[o48o]

I honestly think that problem in these delays is probably understaffed teams that might not be adapting to surprisingly growing number of gamblers.

Teams they hire while casino is starting are likely measured for their current capacity, and when that surpasses, it's going to be a slower process to hire and train people who know what they are doing.

That in mind, your technique probably works well, as they definitely have a priority queue that they are using. So they could move you on top of it.

[JoyceBTC]

Gambling is one thing that is guided by rules and regulations especially when ever you see a casino doing a promo, I believe that before anyone will take part in a promo that a casino is bringing such a person will go through the rules guiding the promo, such as wagering and how you can withdraw your winnings. Most gamblers don't care about this and only got stuck when they are told about wagering before withdrawals, so I will not call casinos as abusive.

Gambling has rules and regulations all the licensed casinos are abiding on but that does not mean that any of these casinos can not misbehave due to the decisive power they have to freeze their users funds due to the terms that have set to guide all players using their platform. Fulfillment of the wagering requirement can be increased or reduced based on each casino terms for their players.
You can make a deposit and fulfill the wagering requirement and lost everything you have deposited.

Yeah some casinos can be that fishy but in all as players, so many don’t keep to the casino rules because they don’t even know the rules to begin with and when the player get stucked, they feel the casino is been abusive. There are some things we as players will do on a casino website that look to us as if we are on the right track not knowing the casino does not want that because we don’t read. Most players are only attracted to bonuses and promo without checking rules and regulations that comes with, so we can’t blame casinos all the time.

Most people do this and this picture is more visible in the case of those who have become addicted to gambling. All the people around me who have become addicted to gambling do not read the rules of the casino while gambling and they all only keep an eye on the bonus and they use the casino which gives the most bonus.

I don’t think this applies to only people who are addicts, non addict too are guilty, it just depends on the individual. The reasons why players are guilty of this is because the feel like almost all the casinos have similar rules, they don’t have that time to read, it too lengthy and at the end when they get stucked, they find their way back to the rules and regulations to read.

[Smartprofit]

Considering we're talking about free bonuses and not about stealing a player's own money (their main deposit), I personally wouldn't resort to harsh measures. 🙋

In theory, every commercial organization has its own unique vulnerabilities. A commercial organization's client seems insignificant compared to a large organization, but that large organization, in turn, is heavily dependent on other, even larger organizations (regulators, payment intermediaries, etc.).

The threat of filing a complaint with this organization will likely be like a cold shower for online casino employees. A commercial organization may be indifferent to its client, but it can't afford a serious blow to its core business processes. However, there's one thing: this is war, confrontation, and I hate war. The world is full of opportunities. If you focus on conflicts and confrontations, your attention will shift from searching for new opportunities to something you absolutely don't need... 💁

[Sandra_hakeem]

Considering we're talking about free bonuses and not about stealing a player's own money (their main deposit), I personally wouldn't resort to harsh measures. 🙋

Some reactions are just unnecessary and time consuming.

In theory, every commercial organization has its own unique vulnerabilities. A commercial organization's client seems insignificant compared to a large organization, but that large organization, in turn, is heavily dependent on other, even larger organizations (regulators, payment intermediaries, etc.).

Assuming this was a case on his initial deposits, considering how insignificant you and I are to those larger organizations, unless you file a lawsuit (if it's big money), it may just be another case that gets swept under the carpet, or presumed as a nothing burger since each of those casinos have their special units for resolving cases like that.

The threat of filing a complaint with this organization will likely be like a cold shower for online casino employees. A commercial organization may be indifferent to its client, but it can't afford a serious blow to its core business processes.

They are also aware that most statements made, especially for an amount below $1000 are merely threats that would go cold after some time.

However, there's one thing: this is war, confrontation, and I hate war. The world is full of opportunities. If you focus on conflicts and confrontations, your attention will shift from searching for new opportunities to something you absolutely don't need... 💁

[gracreavix]

This sounds like a loophole in the system to get your money out even in the event you are not entitled too but I think few are the casinos who will comply with this, the real good ones and with good support will argue that you did not complete the rollover requirement and not let you withdraw no matter if you CC the email to country regulators, the casino has the right to deny a request based on such evidence completely disregarding the regulator entity as long as they are in their right to do so. I had never problems with rollover as I can pass up to 45x rollover without problems.

There are rules to this thing. For the casino in the first place to even grant him is money shows that he has nothing on him that the casino wants to use to hold the withdrawal. That's what I think. But you just assuming it's a loophole is not bad, but I think it shouldn't be identified as a loophole.

With the OPs talk of involving the regulator shows that they have a very good regulator who looks after gamblers. At the sametime, one shouldn't think that acting anyhow can get them the grace of their regular. Like I have stated earlier that there are rules to this. And complying with them is very necessary. Both as a gambler and a casino.

[Rabata]

I don’t think this applies to only people who are addicts, non addict too are guilty, it just depends on the individual. The reasons why players are guilty of this is because the feel like almost all the casinos have similar rules, they don’t have that time to read, it too lengthy and at the end when they get stucked, they find their way back to the rules and regulations to read.

I think it is not only addicts who do not follow the rules of the casino, there are many who do not even have an addiction. In most cases, only those who have suffered or loss try to follow the rules of the casino. It is true that there is not much difference between the rules of the casinos, but not all the rules are the same. Not all players can bet correctly with due caution. There are some gamblers who make mistakes themselves but they unknowingly blame the casino. Gamblers think that the casino is cheating them. I think that if casinos don't cheat when it comes to withdrawals and bonuses, then in most cases they don't have the intention to cheat.

[348Judah]

Op wouldn't have had access to the money he won if he didn't request for his casinos account or gambling account to be close because the intention of the casino is to give him lime excuses just to delay his withdrawal so that he can continue gambling and end up losing everything back to them.

I think he was still very lucky to have make use of a reliable gambling casino, because the moment some random casino discover you win a lot from them, then the next day do is to try to restrict you from further access to making withdrawal, so that you could be triggered to gamble the more and end up losing the entire money back to the casino, but OP kind of trick may work for some casino and may not work for others.

[Bright0515]

I guess you were able to get your wins not because you decided to close your gambling account but because you contacted your country regulators. From what you said I don't really think that they had any plans to pay out the win you had, they were probably trying to look for a way to avoid paying out your wins and you are probably not the only gambler experiencing this with the casino. Most of these casinos doing this are fraudulent and might come up with an exit scam when people don't expect it.

[Queen uloma]

TL;DR: on licensed casinos you can bail out your balance and withdraw very fast even if they're BSing you by requesting an account and closure and threatening to contact regulators.

I totally get the first part, requesting account closure because some of these gambling website follow the strict responsible gambling laws but does this still works if the country has no regulators? I guess without any regulators threat, they will just happily close your account because that also means you are forfeiting your winning balance

If this was me then I'll gladly stay away from their site because if they dont let me withdraw those winnings from free bonus then god knows what they will do with my real deposit someday. Perhaps I might even 'threaten' them that I will post the whole experience on CasinoGuru to let the others know

For me, if casino refuses to allow someone withdraw his winnings from free bonus, it can make the person to wonder what will happen if it was a real money. Even if they don’t have regulator in their country, I will prefer them to close my account than i continue to use their site.

[Miles2006]

The back and forth drama with a casino simply because the withdrawal process seems hard can be tiring, I always look forward to withdrawal access first and it turns out op just proved my thought right about gambling casino offering free bonus all the time, actually I think these casinos make withdrawal process difficult for gamblers basically after giving out free bets such as deposit bonus, free spins, what else do we expect from the casino?other than increasing their wagering requirement in order to meet up.
KYC verification is another factor that can slow up withdrawal process, the trick is definitely helpful though requesting for account closure without the right reason might slow up the process also while prevention of addiction sounds fair no doubt, the casino don’t have a choice.

[Sunshine1525]

The back and forth drama with a casino simply because the withdrawal process seems hard can be tiring, I always look forward to withdrawal access first and it turns out op just proved my thought right about gambling casino offering free bonus all the time, actually I think these casinos make withdrawal process difficult for gamblers basically after giving out free bets such as deposit bonus, free spins, what else do we expect from the casino?other than increasing their wagering requirement in order to meet up.
KYC verification is another factor that can slow up withdrawal process, the trick is definitely helpful though requesting for account closure without the right reason might slow up the process also while prevention of addiction sounds fair no doubt, the casino don’t have a choice.

It's a trick to make the OP deposit real money or lose the one won through bonus, it a business afterall so some of them come up with cunning strategies to attract and drain customers but it's unfair cause why give me free money if you won't allow me withdraw when i bet with it an win.

The OP's move is a smart one, i would've been frustrated with the whole drama and maybe give up along the line by betting with the money and probably lose it to them.

[Proty]

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I think one of the most common tricks they could use to hold down your money is either KYC related or rule breach. Sometimes they can get rid of the whole ticket when they have KYC on you and that includes your IBAN. So in the nutshell you were also actually lucky mostly because you probably never broke a rule or exploited a loop hole.

If a casino doesn't want to pay out your money there's barely anything you can do unless you want to take legal actions and most times it's just futile because many of them are not even properly registered.

Then it's fine to just accept that many online casinos aren't legally registered, few of them even say they are licensed but we don't have anything we can use to know for sure if they are truly registered.

A casino can be unregulated and still tell their customers to follow some rules and regulations, because how can a registered casino failed to pay a gambler because he won large amount of money and blame it on them for not passing KYC after they rejects it.

Many things are still happening in this gambling space that needs monitoring and fixes, we can't even tell which one is which, everyone of them are registered and licensed but no way to proof it.

The challenge is that any casino can claim to be licensed, however the most important thing is whether this license can be verified and also if there is someone that can hold the casino accountable. The fact that a casino is licensed doesn't mean they can't treat a player badly, especially when the withdrawal amount is  large.
The casino should make their terms about kyc to be clear and not something that will only be mentioned or become an issue during winning. For this reason , licence is not the only thing that needs to consider when choosing a casino, the casino reputation and withdrawal history is something that is important and needs to be considered.