We need AI and Cyber Security boards

[Mia Chloe]

There is no dedicated section to talk about , when I think about posting about AI related projects since there is none I really can't start a conversation. In every board there was a clear instructions where should we post ans what should we. If you watch economic section that is flooded with AI related topic.

Do you actually have concrete proof on the influx of AI based discussions increasing or you just feel they are actually increasing based on how frequent AI is quoted in posts? Rationally if we cannot definitely see high numbers of such kind of posts then there's no guarantee that a new board will change anything.

There was a similar debate about a privacy sub board in the past and that drifted away pretty quickly even if the support was considerably higher than this one.

[Mahiyammahi]

There is no dedicated section to talk about , when I think about posting about AI related projects since there is none I really can't start a conversation. In every board there was a clear instructions where should we post ans what should we. If you watch economic section that is flooded with AI related topic.

Do you actually have concrete proof on the influx of AI based discussions increasing or you just feel they are actually increasing based on how frequent AI is quoted in posts? Rationally if we cannot definitely see high numbers of such kind of posts then there's no guarantee that a new board will change anything.

There was a similar debate about a privacy sub board in the past and that drifted away pretty quickly even if the support was considerably higher than this one.

I don't have any statistics to prove it. Since I don't have the numerical volume/stats to prove it. I just expressed what I think should be added a missing part. If everyone started to raise their concerns I think this would be a valid reason.

I remember there was once a time on my school day , there was a qualification test to grant their desired subject. Previous years student no one had taken such exam so majority was not willing to give this exam.
Then our teacher gathered all of us and asked who is against this exam , no one stood up and go to the other side of line maybe fear , maybe confusion. But I was the first one to step up , and when I looked back I saw 90% of students was there. So there's always need some people to stood up, maybe rest will follow.

That is why I raised concern on my behalf , rest is upon the community to see how they reacts. It was a good thing that someone finally brought this up ,  now we can discuss about this matter. Maybe will publish a statistics if noticed a good amount of support.

[Redrawn]

all sorts of threats to not just bitcoin/crypto
But the internet at large
Seems not a week goes by and data not stolen

Cynersecurity may involve old fashioned hacking but ai, future possible quantum computing
Definitely overlap there.

[lovesmayfamilis]

The board will become another spam board, and that's too much work for moderators.

It seems you are exaggerating a non-existent problem. Moderators can handle things like this quite easily nowadays. The only thing required to help us is timely reporting.

The use of Al is already prohibited in the forum, it is needless to have a dedicated thread for Al contents because if we have one, it will become an AI spamming ground.

You're confusing posts using AI and the discussion of the tools themselves. I think you understand that yourself. Knowing the rules against posting using AI, none of the sane people will use AI for posts.

OP, I like your idea too. Two ideas. But for now, we'll use what we have. As you can see, users are not ready for such discussions, although AI is indeed being introduced into very large areas. And yes, there is no problem for those who are interested in this direction to go through the discussions themselves, because it is very easy to add such topics to your favorites.

[Jostern]

Assuming we have a board for AI like you suggested, what are the likely things that should be discussed there? I asked this question becaise your topic is like a proposal which requires detailed information that should convince a good number of the community on the need for that. We should also try to avoid a situation whereby we will have a section of the forum that will be flooded with AI generated contents that add no real value.

Similarly, Cybersecurity, though very imrportant, but having a board willl not be much different from the technical discussion board where lots of similar things are already being discussed. S

I think there is a difference between using AI generated content in posting in the forum, and there is also a difference between creating a thread specifically for discussion of AI in the forum, apparently I don’t know what would be discussed if we have such thread dedicated to AI.

I think there are threads were AI discussions have been made, so I don’t see any reason why people would be flooding a thread with AI generated content, it would only take someone who doesn’t know what he or she is doing that would be using AI generated content to post in a thread.

However I don’t think we really need a cybersecurity board, when we already have a Technical Discussion Board in the Forum, where Cybersecurity discussion can still be carried out.

[Chinesebaby]

The use of Al is already prohibited in the forum, it is needless to have a dedicated thread for Al contents because if we have one, it will become an AI spamming ground.

Maybe you didn't read the rules correctly to understand, because there is nowhere in the forum where Theymos stated that discussions surrounding AI can not be made on this forum, as the only thing he prohibited was the use of AI for creating thread and posting complete gabbages just to complete your posting quarter through signature campaign. Because when it comes to talking about AI tools, agents and how it has been used to help the crypto community over the years, such topics are highly welcome on the forum.  And examples of topic worth discussing about AI include topics likes these below

1.  AI agents can now use a crypto mixer  
 And this topic talks about how an AI agent can now be train to use a crypto mixer, which is actually strange, and people would love to engage in such discussions.

2.  OpenAI models hacked a crypto wallet and breached more websites
And this other topic talks about how an AI agent was able to hack a crypto wallet and breach more other websites, which is also another good topic to talk about and learn.

3.  OpenAI report details how AI agent stole crypto to finish its task
And this is another good topic for discussion.

Hence, the AI industry is a very big industry that deserves a dedicated thread to discuss how AI affects Bitcoin and crypto in general.

[ABCbits]

see:

Type of discussion	Best current board
AI finding a bug in Bitcoin Core	Development & Technical Discussion
Agent paying through Lightning	Lightning Network
AI trading	Trading Discussion / Economy
AI API sold for Bitcoin	Services / Marketplace
AI ethics, jobs, and regulation	Politics & Society
General topic unrelated to Bitcoin	Off-topic

FYI there's no Lightning Network and discussion about it is spread across some boards, depending on what aspect of LN is discussed.

The use of Al is already prohibited in the forum
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Are you sure? Have you ever read this thread AI guidelines and this reply https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5574214.msg66756645#msg66756645?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The forum does not stand against AI amd what it can offer. What I think is forbidden is copying AI generated contents and pasting them on the forum while claiming ownership... that is the same thing as plagiarism that is treated as criminal offence anywhere in the world.
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I don’t think this is what the OP is talking about.

Agree, as far as my limited understanding of what he wrote goes.  If AI is wiggling its way into the crazy land of bitcoin to a significant extent, then it's certainly worth discussing, right?

But does that discussion need its own section?  Not sure.  The question I'm asking myself is whether any threads related to AI and bitcoin can't just be folded into Bitcoin Discussion or the technical board.  Cybersecurity?  That might be right up Theymos's alley, but something tells me he isn't inclined to start adding new sections even if something seems like it's going to be important to bitcoin.  I've seen many proposals over the years for new sections, and a lot of them were argued for quite well and yet nothing happened.  In hindsight, the forum got along just fine without them. 

Reading other replies, I'm starting to wonder if there are human beings left on bitcointalk and if so, are they reading....anything? 

Well shit, I've been questioning that for years now.  Good luck, OP.

[MisFoxie]

More features are not always better for everyone. In my opinion, there is no need to create unnecessary extra board because people can already make cybersecurity related posts on Bitcoin discussion the B&H board and they can easily discuss these important topics there.

At most we would need a new cybersecurity board only if there were no board where people could make such cybersecurity related posts. There is no proof that creating a cybersecurity board would necessarily be helpful.

If a specific board is created for AI I think some threads will be opened in that board for those that are totally unhelpful for forum. Like this

What If Al Became the World's Worst Boss?

Can Al Survive One Day Without Electricity?

[BitBakerr1]

Similarly, Cybersecurity, though very imrportant, but having a board willl not be much different from the technical discussion board where lots of similar things are already being discussed. S

The technical board in this forum only focus on things that are related to bitcoin so it’ll be very improper for you to discuss some AI things in such a board.
For example you can’t discuss AI and other cryptocurrency security, AI tools for crypto developers, AI ethics, decentralization and the future and many more.

I actually think that creating an AI board will actually be very nice because, AI is becoming relevant to Bitcoin security so if a board of its own is created it will actually encourage AI meaningful discussion.
It’s lift for the Admin to make the final decision, but I will advise we develop and implement other meaningful discussion boards in this forum.

[Hazink]

I will focus more on the already suggested board (CYBER-SECURITY), which is anything relating to cybersecurity before we have an increase in security bridges and warnings. suggestions about these board have been made before, and I think the forum is long overdue for such a board instead of scattering some security-related threads on off-topic boards and places which are barely visible.

FYI there's no Lightning Network and discussion about it is spread across some boards, depending on what aspect of LN is discussed.

If I understand @alegotardo correctly, the list he made explains the type of discussion and possible boards which it's been moved to, since there is no dedicated thread for it and not saying those mentioned have their own board, for lighting network-related content. Most are actively being discussed on the lightening network observers thread

[Doan9269]

I'm the person who supports the development on this forum and honestly, I don't want things to stay where they started. We have to move on and join the progress. AI is used in coding, trading, QA and so on. Users can also buy & sell AI APIs in cheaper rates, everything in one, AI board.

I am such a person that will also go against AI because the forum has already make a stand concerning the use of AI, so I don't think it's something we need to be negotiating about when the forum already clears the air AI guidelines and I see no reason why we should have a board for AI, but on the contrary, going to the aspect of cyber security, I know this has been discussed severally by other members as well and many have forwarded their suggestions and take on having a cyber security board, I see this being interesting, but not as a welcome idea if you consider other member's take on it, you already have more enough technical sections that anything that has to do with cyber security could fit it, and we also have beginners and help, most of the cybersecurity discussions may not be bitcoin related and this is why many me also go against creating a board for it.

[Coyster]

I am such a person that will also go against AI because the forum has already make a stand concerning the use of AI, so I don't think it's something we need to be negotiating about when the forum already clears the air AI guidelines and I see no reason why we should have a board for AI,

Lol, the proposal is not to create a board to post AI generated content, but to have original discussions about AI and other stuffs around it. I disagree with the idea of the board, for reasons i have expressed earlier in the thread, but your reason for saying no does not make much sense and other users who said the same have already been corrected earlier.

but not as a welcome idea if you consider other member's take on it, you already have more enough technical sections that anything that has to do with cyber security could fit it, and we also have beginners and help, most of the cybersecurity discussions may not be bitcoin related and this is why many me also go against creating a board for it.

There is a plethora of threads about general scam, online security, social engineering, crypto scams, etc. A lot of them do not fit in the "technical sections" you're talking about. They were mostly created in B&H, and the mod of that section now moves those topics into this general thread. I have said a thousand times in this topic the grounds that new boards are created, and i think Cybersecurity discussions cross that threshold and that's why i support that it should have its own dedicated board.

[dkbit98]

I don't see any point in creating separate boards for AI.
If someone wants to talk about it they can create topic about that related with Bitcoin.
Cyber Security could be more interesting, but I am generally not for creating new boards that easily.
What are we going to do next? Create new board every time some new trend pops up?? Nope.