Void match and profit re-calculation.

[Cantsay]

I have been curious specially as it has not happened to me directly to know how it is calculated and I do not want to wait ontil when it happens to me.

I mean, how the casinos calculate the odds to arrive at the right amount of profit that should be given to a player after having one or two matches in his accumulated bets postponed, maybe due to fans having to protest during a live match, harsh weather condition etc. Do you have an idea about this, by personal experience or about learning of it in any way. A casino rep can help me do the maths how is done for us to know better.

I have this guy that got one match in his bet getting void during last weekend match in laliga, the Rayo Vallecano and Athletic Bilbao match. He was not pleased with the profit that was later given to him to be his won profit out of  what was supposed to be the total profit amount.

If you know how to calculate the total odds of a parlay and how much you are supposed to win from your bet, then it should also be easy for you to figure out how much it is that you would get when a leg in your parlay gets voided.

So let's say the odds of the game that got voided were 2.6, what you would do is to just do the entire calculation again, but this time the odd of that voided game would now be 1.0 and that should get you what you are looking for.

[len01]

Actually, some users have already given valid answers, and I just want to add a few more points.

If you have a parlay bet and one of the matches is postponed due to an emergency, that match is considered void or a push. This means its odds are reduced to 1, and your bet can still win based on the combined odds of the remaining matches that have been settled.

[tiCeR]

Re-calculation issues, I have seen them before, but I have one serious problem with it. If I mention a name now, I think many users would think there is a problem with this provider and this would not be fair. Where it happened, I pointed it out and they solved the problem immediately.  Give providers a chance, and if t hey disappoint you, mention them here.

[Agbamoni]

I mean, how the casinos calculate the odds to arrive at the right amount of profit that should be given to a player after having one or two matches in his accumulated bets postponed, maybe due to fans having to protest during a live match, harsh weather condition etc. Do you have an idea about this, by personal experience or about learning of it in any way. A casino rep can help me do the maths how is done for us to know better.

This question is for insiders in bookmaking. The bookmakers know best how to calculate the odds when there is an issue with a particular game.

My reason is that the calculation depends on the sportsbook's rules for postponed, abandoned, or rescheduled matches. I'm not entirely sure if the rules are listed in the casino's terms and conditions. But keep in mind that the casino has a structured model designed with an algorithm to automatically calculate the profit in void games. It is not done manually by the bookmakers.

[JoyceBTC]

It is better the games are rescheduled to be played later that is when the total odd will be meaningful to the players but when there is a void game in some of the casinos it leaves the players with little payment because the odd of the said void games will be deducted from the total accumulation, it will affect the potential amount and the total bonus will be removed leaving the players with the odd of the remaining games with no winning bonus added to them. I don't know if this is how all the casinos does their own but this is based on my personal experience from a physical casino, it was a bad experience because I thought they will just remove the game that was voided and pay the players the amount that is due to them.

[Josefjix]

It's very easy, you divide the total odds by the odd that got void, then you get the winning amount by multiplying it with the stake amount.The bonus is given by the casino by reducing a little bit but can't calculate the bonus as it's beyond everyone.

For example, the total odds of a slip is 200 odds, then stake amount is $50, and the bonus $10 making potential total winning to be 50*200+10=$10,010

If the voided match carries 1.80 odds, divide the total odds by voided odd, multiply the result by the stake amount and then reduce the bonus to $7. That is;

200/1.80=111.11 (Total odds divides by voided odd)
Now, 111.11*50=$5,555.55 (Multiplying by stake amount)
Then 5,555.55+7 = $5,562.55 (Total winnings plus bonus)

I hope you understand.

[Obim34]

I have this guy that got one match in his bet getting void during last weekend match in laliga, the Rayo Vallecano and Athletic Bilbao match. He was not pleased with the profit that was later given to him to be his won profit out of  what was supposed to be the total profit amount.

The sportsbook won't calculate the bet as won for a fixture that did not happen. The odds for that game don't count, similar to how profits on a bet on over 1 goal are counted, whereas the team didn't score more than 1 goal to win profits on the bet. The sportsbooks do it automatically, odds will be reshuffled and resized for the games that happened, while the voided game is not added.

[Odohu]

I have been curious specially as it has not happened to me directly to know how it is calculated and I do not want to wait ontil when it happens to me.

You don't need to belabor your brain with the calculation of profits when some matches are voided. The odds for void matches are returned as 1 so they have no effect in the calculation of the profits. Even if you play a parlay of 50 matches and 5 matches are voided, the odds for each of those void matches are returned as 1 so that 1x1x1x1x1 will simply become 1, meaning no effect on the calculation. Postponed matches are just the same thing as void matches.

[Moreno233]

I have had this experience before, I placed a bet of 3 games and one of the matches was postponed. I was paid for the remaining two games, because the two games came out the way I predicted it to be. The calculation is very simple just treat the odd of the postphoned matches as 1.0 and multiply together with the odd of the remaining matches. Let's take for example you stake 3 games with the odds as 3.0,2.0,4.0 respectively. Assuming the total accumulated odd is 24 and it happens the one with 3.0 odd was postponed. Now to get your accumulated odd u need to multiply the two remaining odds which is 2,4 giving us a total of 8 odds. This is how odds are recalculated whenever a game is  postponed .

It makes sense 2 out of 3 bet are placed and one of the games suddenly gets delayed then those 2 bets have to be paid, it would be very bad if the casino still counts the delayed game as a betting failure which results in all our parlays being failed. I use parlays for almost all of my sports betting, yet I have never once encountered a situation where a match was postponed.

Delayed games can only be counted when they matches are actually played else they are regarded as void. Casino does not add void matches in their calculation, they remove it and calculate the odds of the remaining games in the ticket. If there is any casino that do amything with void matches to shortchange the player, such casino should be avoided because they are scammers. The rigth thing is to remove the match entirely from the calculation.

[WhoYouCantKill]

From what I’ve seen, whenever a match is voided, the bookmaker will definitely not pay the full amount that was originally displayed on the accumulator, because the odds of that particular match is usually removed from the odd calculator, while the other selections would be calculated. Although most bookmakers do not make these rules clear, which mostly results to a confusion should situations like this come up, and since there are no exact rules that tackles matters like this, its kinda hard to tell whether your friend was actually paid correctly or not.

[Alphakilo]

I have been curious specially as it has not happened to me directly to know how it is calculated and I do not want to wait ontil when it happens to me.

You don't need to belabor your brain with the calculation of profits when some matches are voided. The odds for void matches are returned as 1 so they have no effect in the calculation of the profits. Even if you play a parlay of 50 matches and 5 matches are voided, the odds for each of those void matches are returned as 1 so that 1x1x1x1x1 will simply become 1, meaning no effect on the calculation. Postponed matches are just the same thing as void matches.

When the odds are replaced by a neutral 1.00 as is the case with voided matches, it is the standard protocol most bookmakers follow and this just makes the total multiplier to be slashed automatically. It doesn't matter the reason for the match not ending with a result, what matters is the standard protocol in effect and we know the house edge stands to make sure the house always benefit anyhow the results turnout to be.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I have been curious specially as it has not happened to me directly to know how it is calculated and I do not want to wait ontil when it happens to me.

What if it eventually happens to you, what are you going to do? Neglect the casino or sue them, there are things you just have to take it by the way they may appear as long as it does not change anything concerning what we intended to have from gambling, we trusted the casino that is where we are using them to gamble and we don't have to always keep to the way they make their decisions on games and odds, void matches calculations and so on.

[coinlary]

Whatever you select comes with an odd. If the game endup as void , remove the odd for the particular game and do your calculation. If you want to follow the default 1, it is still same thing, whatever odds you multiply by 1 will still give you that odds . Just a basic math and nothing worth scratching the bald head.

Unless a Casino clearly state  a different method on how they handle their void games, but you can always ask the Casino support  whenever you're confused about their calculations.

[adultcrypto]

I have this guy that got one match in his bet getting void during last weekend match in laliga, the Rayo Vallecano and Athletic Bilbao match. He was not pleased with the profit that was later given to him to be his won profit out of  what was supposed to be the total profit amount.

A lot of people have already explained how void matches are calculated so I just want to add to what I guess happened in your friend's case. Let me give a hypothetical explanation so that you can understand how the bookies did the calculation. Lets assume he played a total of 7 matches in his ticked and he is seeing around 50.4 odds. With a bet of $5 for this ticket,

winning = 50.4x5 + bonus(which is a percentage of the total odds and increases as the number of game in the ticked increases).

If one of the matches in the ticket is void, lets say the odd for that match is 1.5, the total odd becomes 50.4/1.5 =33.6 so that we have

winning = 33.6x5 + bonus (as the number of matches in the ticked reduced, the percentage will drop)

Therefore, the voided match does not only reduce the odd, it also reduce the bonus and that is why your friend is seeing the reduced total winning.

[IjawMan]

I have been curious specially as it has not happened to me directly to know how it is calculated and I do not want to wait ontil when it happens to me.

What if you make the calculations when it happens to you, and you discover that the casino has short paid you?

I am curious to know, can complaints be made successfully to the casino for complete payment based on the calculation you have made, because I feel you may just be wasting your time as such situations can give the casino an opportunity to manipulate things.

From the explanations that the forum members has provided in the thread, I know better now and will detect if there is any short pay in the calculation. But you have to know too that it not the casino that actually does the calculation but the odd providers.

To escape from having that bad experience using casinos with good reputation should not be what a player like me will undermine. There will be no need for all those dramas .

A casino rep can help me do the maths how is done for us to know better.

It's easy to do the maths, mate. Imagine you accumulate 3 odds, 2 odd, and 5 odd (3×2×5=30) in a parlay bet; the total odds will be 30 odd. Then, if you stake $1, your total winnings will be 30$ (including your staked amount).

Then if along the lines the 5 odds was voided for any reason at all, the 5 odds will be removed, and your potential winning amount will be reduced. And I think bookmakers calculate this as: 3 odd multiple by 2 odd, multiplied by 1 odd, which will be 6 odd instead of 30 odd (3×2×1=6).
The interesting thing is that removing the voided odd might take a couple of hours before it gets decided.

This was helpful including the others. I understand it all well now.

I can lock the thread now.

[yixichloro2xx]

The money that these casino usually give you after a void game doesn't make sense at times. I remembered I had a ticket like , where I was to suppose to cashout sum of ₦45,000, so a game was cancelled, they locked my cashout options. I had to message their support and was  told to wait for 12 hours. I did wait and the funny casino later notified me that my cashout options is now available and I was given just ₦23,000 . I felt cheated, I am confused on how they were able to calculate the void which made them to remove large chunk of the money I am supposed to win , and the funny there is that the odds for the  cancelled game wasn't even up to 1.4 odds. I honestly feel they need to start publishing how they calculate these void. Another thing is that void game doesn't only mean a cancelled or postponed match, they are some options in the casino that if the team you bet on lose or draw, they make it void like "Draw no bet option".