Are bonuses getting worse or players just get harder to fool?

[TastyChillySauce00]

5% cashback you can actually withdraw?

It's obviously 5% cash back with instant withdraw. 5% is already a huge profit, and no risk to lose. You can go to the mcd to buy some burgers by choosing it.

Cashback, in my opinion, is also a bad option... Cashback is paid only on your net losses. No cashback is paid on winnings. And I prefer winning, not losing.🙋

Cashback is beneficial for the casino because the casino doesn't lose anything. If you lose money, they'll return a small portion of it. Then you'll start playing at the casino again and lose again. By the way, to increase the cashback percentage, you usually have to lose a lot. That is, to prove yourself an elite loser.😉

True, but you forget you're talking in term of thread creator's context. So it's obviously cashback is much better here with no term needed to withdraw it, though it's unrealistic, and very rarely happened.

[Hispo]

5% cashback sounds way better than a 200% bonus with 40x wagering, at least the value is actually yours

Perfectly said, a casino expect the gamblers to be dumb completely and not to weigh promotions or have second thoughts about it before they hop on it, they the fuck will I have have to bet 40x and win to win a 200% bonus, I saw this on 1x bet back then and fuck I got so pissed because it was all a scam. I don’t know if anyone ever won their bonuses.

Statistically, and depending on the volume of gamblers it is possible some gamblers manage to reclaim some money out of bonuses which have such high wagering requirements. Though, any experienced gambler would always seek to get some Cashback instead of chasing bonuses, it is money which is back in one's pocket after all.

Still, dreamers will be dreamers and they will continue to try to get rich in a single session, ending up with no money after they lose it all.

I am not a dreamer anymore, so I have given up on bonuses forever, specially when it comes to insanely high wager requirements.

[Africolo]

Been looking at how some projects approach rewards and honestly i'm starting to question the whole bonus model wth

Whats even the point of a huuge 300% bonus if you gotta recycle your balance 40 times before you can withdraw anything? And heres what i dont get... we willingly accept bonuses that basically lock our money behind a bunch of conditions nobody reads.

Give me some decent rakeback or actual cashback over a locked balance with a fancy number attached to it!

Here is the "2 pills question": would you rather take a 200% bonus with 40x wagering or 5% cashback you can actually withdraw?

The gamblers that falls for this bonuses are the newbies who just joined a casino board and don't know about the conditions attached to such bonuses nor have really take a look at the terms and conditions behind it, those bonuses are mere bait set for the users to get trapped to using their casinos because they are unreal and you can never have access to such bonuses, I ordinary don't look out for any bonus as they are scams and means to lure players.

Most times gamblers fall victim because they are too greedy and wants to make over 200% of bonuses from a casino, how do they even think that such bonus will be given out without the casinos demanding something huge in return, this gambling of a thing is created to milk the gamblers dry because the casinos benefits more than the players, so we shouldn't be carried away without reading the conditions of a bonus so we don't get trapped and used as baits, yet we won't get the bonus at the longrun.

[Tetu100]

If no gamblers like deposit bonus, most casino would have stopped offering deposit bonus.

That is true, the reason behind is that there're still large amount of players that fancy this kind of offer and still having their way in it. However, it would be inappropriate to say that players completely dislike free and attractive offers/bonuses, but when it becomes so toxic is when the wagering requirements is too choking for any player to meet up with. Perhaps this along is already a red flag to me and don't hesitate to stay off since my peace is what I wouldn't compromise not for anything.

[Die_empty]

The gamblers that falls for this bonuses are the newbies who just joined a casino board and don't know about the conditions attached to such bonuses nor have really take a look at the terms and conditions behind it, those bonuses are mere bait set for the users to get trapped to using their casinos because they are unreal and you can never have access to such bonuses, I ordinary don't look out for any bonus as they are scams and means to lure players.

Most times gamblers fall victim because they are too greedy and wants to make over 200% of bonuses from a casino, how do they even think that such bonus will be given out without the casinos demanding something huge in return, this gambling of a thing is created to milk the gamblers dry because the casinos benefits more than the players, so we shouldn't be carried away without reading the conditions of a bonus so we don't get trapped and used as baits, yet we won't get the bonus at the longrun.

Some of these bonuses might not be that rigid, mainly because it is a new casino. New casinos want to get more users; hence, they come up with good offers that users can take advantage of. That is why it is common to see people rush to register at some new casino. Over time, these casinos adjust the requirements, making it more difficult to withdraw the bonus offers.

I don't pay attention to these bonuses because casinos are not stupid to give free money. There will always be open or secret requirements that will make these enticing offers difficult for users to benefit from.

[angrybirdy]

The gamblers that falls for this bonuses are the newbies who just joined a casino board and don't know about the conditions attached to such bonuses nor have really take a look at the terms and conditions behind it, those bonuses are mere bait set for the users to get trapped to using their casinos because they are unreal and you can never have access to such bonuses, I ordinary don't look out for any bonus as they are scams and means to lure players.

Most times gamblers fall victim because they are too greedy and wants to make over 200% of bonuses from a casino, how do they even think that such bonus will be given out without the casinos demanding something huge in return, this gambling of a thing is created to milk the gamblers dry because the casinos benefits more than the players, so we shouldn't be carried away without reading the conditions of a bonus so we don't get trapped and used as baits, yet we won't get the bonus at the longrun.

Some of these bonuses might not be that rigid, mainly because it is a new casino. New casinos want to get more users; hence, they come up with good offers that users can take advantage of. That is why it is common to see people rush to register at some new casino. Over time, these casinos adjust the requirements, making it more difficult to withdraw the bonus offers.

I don't pay attention to these bonuses because casinos are not stupid to give free money. There will always be open or secret requirements that will make these enticing offers difficult for users to benefit from.

But I disagree. The bonuses which you can get in new casinos might turn out to be your opportunity to win as long as you know how to interpret terms and conditions for each... There are also bonus offers which are not aimed at misleading the gamblers. in some cases, bonuses are even used by casinos as a tool for establishing trust relationship with their customers. But even though there are some limitations such as wagering and withdrawal rules, it does not necessarily mean that these bonuses are worthless. On the contrary, it just proves the importance of choosing those offers which are worth trying. It would have been better if players utilized bonuses instead of rejecting them.

[SFR10]

we willingly accept bonuses that basically lock our money behind a bunch of conditions nobody reads.

I think the word "blindly" is better suited to the situation, but I always read them ^{[even if they're long and boring]}.
^{- I always blame users for such shortcomings, but I think some casinos equally deserve the blame for deliberately using complex language in their TOS to confuse readers, which results in readers giving up halfway!}

• would you rather take a 200% bonus with 40x wagering or 5% cashback you can actually withdraw?
  

  As a casual gambler, none of these matter to me, but if I were to choose, I'd go with the latter ^{[a good rakeback system could also be interesting for gamblers]}.
  

[Tungbulu]

That is true, the reason behind is that there're still large amount of players that fancy this kind of offer and still having their way in it. However, it would be inappropriate to say that players completely dislike free and attractive offers/bonuses, but when it becomes so toxic is when the wagering requirements is too choking for any player to meet up with. Perhaps this along is already a red flag to me and don't hesitate to stay off since my peace is what I wouldn't compromise not for anything.

One thing I dislike so much, especially when it comes to my gaming experience is too much rules, I’d rather just stick to normal gaming rules, which of course wouldn’t be possible if I’m using bonuses to play, the wagering requirements and more rules that’s attached to bonuses just makes the game more demanding and also boring too, and it’s not something I’d normally settle for.

[KiaKia]

Bonuses are genuinely marketing strategy that makes newbies keep coming back, if I am running a casino myself I would rather do this because it works on people every goddamn time.

People keeps going back when bonuses are involved and if you ask them how many times the bonuses turned to real money for them they will murmur about it, like the later lost the money or something.

Bonuses gets you serious with gambling, nothing more and this is what the casinos want, keep em coming back, the day I get to know this I stopped caring about bonuses, unless it's deposit bonus that's easy to claim or free spins.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Here is the "2 pills question": would you rather take a 200% bonus with 40x wagering or 5% cashback you can actually withdraw?

You’d have to be either very stupid or a degenerate gambler to choose the first option.

Personally, I haven’t paid any attention to bonuses for a long time now. I used to, years ago, but these days I don’t even bother, because they usually have such high wagering requirements that they’re not worth it. If, by chance, I come across one with reasonable wagering requirements and I can clear it just by playing as normal, fine; if not, I’ll give it a miss.

[Inior]

Every gambler want what’s best for them, so as the casinos. And since they are just running a business they sure will want to apply a strategy that keeps people excited and glued to the casino without necessarily giving them much aside a sense of hope that they can pass those conditions meanwhile, the system has already been rigged even before you created your account.
Wagering requirements is definitely one of the hardest things to fulfill in a bonus yet due to desperation gamblers still accept them with the hope of scaling through meanwhile house edge is just at the corner watching you click that bonus offer

[Mallampue]

Here is the "2 pills question": would you rather take a 200% bonus with 40x wagering or 5% cashback you can actually withdraw?

If there is an option like this then most gamblers will definitely prefer cashback over big bonuses but with wagering because the cashback count becomes definitely inversely proportional to the bonus but must complete the wager x25-x40.
Indeed, if you want to take a risk then the bonus with wagering will feel much greater in terms of profit but cashback is something that is certain because we only need to take without the need to do anything.

But this is where business happens because we know that gambling sites or casinos are businesses so that offers with wagers are the most profitable for them because although there must be those who manage to complete the bonus but I am quite sure only a small percentage of gamblers who manage to get it compared to those who fail so they make this as an offer so that apart from them they can still be visited by many gamblers because this promo also makes them not lose too much because of the promo they do.

[Yorubek]

Bonuses basically play well on the psychological aspects of gamblers. For example, a gambler must have a specific goal that he will use this amount of money for gambling, but when he sees such a bonus, he cannot be limited to that specific amount, but at that time he has to use more money to fulfill the conditions even if he does not want to. Such offers or bonuses motivate gamblers to play with more money.

It is true that people start gambling with a certain amount of money, but when they get a bonus, they get very excited and their greed increases, they start gambling without looking at the conditions carefully and they start gambling beyond their means, as a result they gradually lose all the money they have. Gamblers who get emotional through gambling and start gambling beyond their means, as a result they face big financial losses, gambling is not really for getting rich quick, it is mainly for entertainment, those who gamble with the intention of getting rich quick are quickly ruined by gambling, so it is better to gamble for entertainment with what you can afford to lose.

[ruykeri]

Personally, I am not interested in such exaggerated bonuses. Because even if they give a bonus, they add conditions behind it, which is actually better than not getting a bonus. And this wagering requirement is even more problematic. Even if you make a profit, you cannot withdraw it, because you cannot withdraw until the wagering requirement is met. And with this kind of bonus and wagering requirement, a gambler is forced to bet repeatedly. As a result, that person bets many times in the beginning, which increases their risk of addiction. So I think that even if the bonus is given, gambling companies should exclude any additional wagering requirement behind it. As a result, some positive changes could be observed in terms of their reputation. If gambling companies want, they can give some percentage of the profit they make every month or after 6 months as a bonus. This will create a somewhat positive attitude among users towards the betting site.

[Leon Zimmer]

Here is the "2 pills question": would you rather take a 200% bonus with 40x wagering or 5% cashback you can actually withdraw?

If there is an option like this then most gamblers will definitely prefer cashback over big bonuses but with wagering because the cashback count becomes definitely inversely proportional to the bonus but must complete the wager x25-x40.
Indeed, if you want to take a risk then the bonus with wagering will feel much greater in terms of profit but cashback is something that is certain because we only need to take without the need to do anything.

But this is where business happens because we know that gambling sites or casinos are businesses so that offers with wagers are the most profitable for them because although there must be those who manage to complete the bonus but I am quite sure only a small percentage of gamblers who manage to get it compared to those who fail so they make this as an offer so that apart from them they can still be visited by many gamblers because this promo also makes them not lose too much because of the promo they do.

Issue with large betting bonuses is that many will be drawn in by the huge bonus offered. They do not take into account large wagering requirements. So even though you are offered a great 200% bonus, it could easily become a large wagering requirement of 40x.

Cashback is more realistic option as you do not have to try and hit a target to get your own money. However, you should be aware if this is based on overall losses or net losses. Some casinos do have wagering requirements attached to cashback too.

[red4slash]

Give me some decent rakeback or actual cashback over a locked balance with a fancy number attached to it!

Here is the "2 pills question": would you rather take a 200% bonus with 40x wagering or 5% cashback you can actually withdraw?

Gambling for bookies is a business whose benchmark cannot be changed so to make their business grow they have to look for some pretty good promos but with minimal expenses to maximize the profits they have and big bonuses with conditions are one of the most reasonable solutions for them today.

We know that by making a conditional bonus as a promo then indirectly apart from the business of gambling will get more attention (because of the big bonuses given) on the one hand this also encourages players to continue to gamble even though initially only using bonuses but when the motivation of the players is much greater then it could be the situation will be a little further where even for the worst possibilities for gamblers they can gamble without knowing the time or money they spend.
So in this case for gamblers of course they want rakeback or cashback because it is a sure bonus in the can but it will not appeal to the site and the bookies even though it still remains but the percentage of bonuses like this will be less compared to conditional bonus promos.

[Bitcoin.com97]

The answer is simple and I don't think that anyone would love to worn himself out playing for a very long time because of huge bonus with a very high wager requirement. I will go for 5% cashback that I can withdraw. However, some greedy gamblers will go for 300% bonus because their instinct tells them they can end up making profit.

Exactly, most people trust there instincts so much to a point they feel they can make profit from the bouns, but for me I will go for 5% Cashback ,for the best of my knowledge I have never won from any bouns ,I don't know if I'm just unlucky,but funny enough before you get to the wager requirements,you might have exhausted the bouns self , however I don't even wish anyone to be a greedy gambler because gambling is not as easy as we think , adding greed will only lead to nowhere ,I will always go for what I can withdraw,those bouns doesn't move me at all .

[Muba20]

If no gamblers like deposit bonus, most casino would have stopped offering deposit bonus.

That is true, the reason behind is that there're still large amount of players that fancy this kind of offer and still having their way in it. However, it would be inappropriate to say that players completely dislike free and attractive offers/bonuses, but when it becomes so toxic is when the wagering requirements is too choking for any player to meet up with. Perhaps this along is already a red flag to me and don't hesitate to stay off since my peace is what I wouldn't compromise not for anything.

Not only deposits but any kind of bonus is preferred by gamblers but if the conditions for getting it are at a normal level. In gambling if the bonus is much but the wagering requirement is so difficult then I will definitely dislike that bonus no matter how attractive it is. Everyone has a different attraction towards bonuses if they can get it. Nowadays gamblers have enough experience of playing on different sites. If they get a good offer on a site then of course if that site can provide them with proper service then I think they will definitely keep their interest on that site. But if again it happens that there is only a bonus offer but it is difficult to get then they will ignore the offers of that site. If a gambler gets a bonus offer and can withdraw the money by wagering it properly, he gets a lot of excitement. He also be confident in that site.

[abel1337]

There are gamblers who like their gambling session to last for a long time and there are gamblers that are high rollers that they can easily get the absurd 40x wagering requirements. I think they are the one who are most likely the one who will get the bonus. As for a small deposit gambler like the majority of us, 5% cashback/rakeback would definetely the logical choice as we doesn't want to suffer spending so much time wagering 40x just to get a small amount of bonus, it is not justifable to get our funds locked and make us wager too much just to get a small amount from our small amount deposit.

High rollers are mostlikely hitting the maximum amount of bonuses they can get and with the amount of money they wager, they can easily hit the requirements. I personally don't like getting locked and being forced to wager that's why I very rarely get a bonus, unless it has a justifiable and realistic requirements. 

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Wagering requirements is definitely one of the hardest things to fulfill in a bonus yet due to desperation gamblers still accept them with the hope of scaling through meanwhile house edge is just at the corner watching you click that bonus offer

And one indisputable fact about casino bonues is that their target audience are not always the rich gamblers, but rather the average gamblers who may or may not have sufficient capital to continue their luck on a casino, and as such they seek for bonus offer as an alternative journey. So it takes an gambler who is willing to accept the risk of completing a wagering requirement to click on it when on whichever casino he is using for gambling.