Can a regular player actually win a casino race or is it just for whales?

[GrigoryGaga]

Almost every operator (maybe even everyone of them) has some kind of race with leaderboard now: weekly, monthly, whatever with '$100k up for grabs'. and in every leaderboard, the top 10 have wagered amounts ... i can't wager in my life.

Whats even the point for regular players?

Most races are based on total wagering volume. which basically means whoever has the biggest bankroll gets the best chance at winning. and if you wanna climb higher you gotta keep betting more and more...

Personally i'd rather see a leaderboard based on the highest multiplier or something where a $1 bet could actually compete with a $1000 one.

And what do you think is more fair - wager-based leaderboards, random raffles or highest multiplier races?

[Charles-Tim]

Life is not about competition. There are some things that are not worth completing for. I do not have the money many people are using to gamble, bity if I have the money, I will use most all of it for something else like holding bitcoin, but just use small amount of money to gamble. I have not participated in anything like it before. On Stake, I am still unable to rank up to the next rank, no to talk of leaderboard.

[yahoo62278]

Almost every operator (maybe even everyone of them) has some kind of race with leaderboard now: weekly, monthly, whatever with '$100k up for grabs'. and in every leaderboard, the top 10 have wagered amounts ... i can't wager in my life.

Whats even the point for regular players?

Most races are based on total wagering volume. which basically means whoever has the biggest bankroll gets the best chance at winning. and if you wanna climb higher you gotta keep betting more and more...

Personally i'd rather see a leaderboard based on the highest multiplier or something where a $1 bet could actually compete with a $1000 one.

And what do you think is more fair - wager-based leaderboards, random raffles or highest multiplier races?

Regular players can still win a decent amount of money from wager races even without winning the biggest prize in the race. I would spend less time concentrating on leaderboards as it's probably going to cost you money in the long run. Instead find a leaderboard that's easier to get a top spot on.

I run this leaderboard lootcrew.io if you like opening lootboxes. Top 10 players get paid every 2 weeks along with other perks.

[Elainebue]

highest multiplier races sound way more fun tbh. at least a small bet could actually compete

[Free Market Capitalist]

Almost every operator (maybe even everyone of them) has some kind of race with leaderboard now: weekly, monthly, whatever with '$100k up for grabs'. and in every leaderboard, the top 10 have wagered amounts ... i can't wager in my life.

Whats even the point for regular players?

Most races are based on total wagering volume. which basically means whoever has the biggest bankroll gets the best chance at winning. and if you wanna climb higher you gotta keep betting more and more...

When it comes to casino games, it doesn't make sense for any player—not even the whales. What those leaderboards do is return a portion of the commission that the casino keeps, so in the long run, the casino will always come out ahead and the whales will lose. On top of that, those leaderboards encourage players to bet more, which is better for the casino and worse for the player because they end up playing while tired or tilted, and end up chasing their losses, etc. But there are whales who can bet a fortune and can afford to do so; what they're after is the thrill.

There are some exceptions to this—known as advantage players—but they are very rare.

It makes more sense for skill-based games. In poker, there are leaderboards, and I’m not sure about sports betting, but I imagine there are. Back in the day, some players would play a huge volume of poker while sacrificing their win rate, ending up even at the end of the year just to qualify for the Supernova status, because the Supernova prize made it worth it (it was about $100K between milestones and other bonuses).

[obuoma]

Most casino races measure wagered amount so the whales have upper hands to win the prize. Ordinary player can still win prize in such contest but that should depend on how many whales are involved and should not also be the main prize of the tournament. There are some tournaments that have prizes for many people including up to 50th position, such large number should be room for ordinary players to get their hands on some of the prizes.

[Agbamoni]

I'd rather use the money to bet on multiple parlays or perhaps a single bet than use it to wager in a race where the winner wins by chance.
That is because I don't have the money to participate in a casino wagering tournament. Though I'm aiming for profit, it won't make sense that I'm using money I don't really have to chase the one I want to have.

[stompix]

Whats even the point for regular players?

Why does it have to be about regular players?
What you're actually saying is that you want to win prizes while wagering less, so, what would be the point for the casino to do such things?
Have you ever seen a hypermarket offering you a better deal if you buy half a banana?

Personally i'd rather see a leaderboard based on the highest multiplier or something where a $1 bet could actually compete with a $1000 one.

Well, prepare to be surprised, but there are such competitions also.
Plenty of casinos offer a shared prize pool to eveyone who hits x100 or x200 on certain games during the timeframe.
There are also competitions on Stake for the first to hit xwhatever on a certain game.

[CryptSafe]

What I can say here is this, the competition is fun to do but it takes more to achieve and if you know that you can not meet up with the water conditions, do not bother because it is financially inclusive. Bet and play according to your capacity as gambling is about fun and that fun is what keeps the game going on. People who participates in such  are those who are financially buoyant to run the race to the top-level to get some rewards for their efforts.

[swogerino]

Almost every operator (maybe even everyone of them) has some kind of race with leaderboard now: weekly, monthly, whatever with '$100k up for grabs'. and in every leaderboard, the top 10 have wagered amounts ... i can't wager in my life.

Whats even the point for regular players?

Most races are based on total wagering volume. which basically means whoever has the biggest bankroll gets the best chance at winning. and if you wanna climb higher you gotta keep betting more and more...

Personally i'd rather see a leaderboard based on the highest multiplier or something where a $1 bet could actually compete with a $1000 one.

And what do you think is more fair - wager-based leaderboards, random raffles or highest multiplier races?

I think casinos have become increasingly much more difficult to win against them. I even am at the point that I doubt anyone winning a max win in the most well known casinos we have here, I am not talking against new releases as they give the max win easily as they are programmed like that and a whale within a week has the max win or a huge multiplier at least. What I mean is why games, old games like Gates of Olympus or Sweet Bonanza original versions which used to give the max win quite often now it is almost impossible to get it compared to some years ago.

I think fairer is with the number of bets, who is able to place more bets irrelevant of amount for a certain period of time.

[panjul07]

Yes regular players (non-whales) can win a casino race but in some specific conditions:
1. The race is in a new casino where there are not many players to compete with.
2. Win the race but not the top paid places in popular casinos, so the prize from the race is just a few dollar.
3. Regular player win a huge amount earlier so can continue wagering with the winning amount.

[Coyster]

These casinos are running a business my friend, so even if they organize contests and stuff, they are not only trying to hand out money to players, but also to generate money for their business. I don't see anything wrong in how the contests and leaderboards are organized, if you cannot wager as much as those at the top, just forget about it or look for other competitions that fits your bankroll.

I think fairer is with the number of bets, who is able to place more bets irrelevant of amount for a certain period of time.

The casino is not trying to be fair, are they, but doing what's best for business and that's what they ought to do.
By your logic, if a player wagers $1 a hundred times, they would be above one who wagers $100k fifty times, in the leaderboard. That does not sound fair, does it.

[Pandu Geddon]

And what do you think is more fair - wager-based leaderboards, random raffles or highest multiplier races?

Everything remains fair according to the rules. But if the focus is on ordinary gamblers or all gamblers in general without considering capital, random raffles are the most appropriate. 

If you look at the leaderboard race, you must be ready to compete with those who have large capital. It doesn't mean it's unfair, but that's just how it works and the rules are like that. Races with the highest multipliers are also good, but don't assume it's easy to get them. Perhaps some people have to put more capital to get into the top 10.

[Donk1]

Well if I may say, to me the chances of a normal gambler trying to compete in a leaderboard is very low. For that it's not worth taking the risk to me, because most of them are just there to trick folks into placing bets with money that they can't afford to lose. Best to say when it comes down to it, multiplier races are better though, because they are way more fair. Basically a 1 dollar bet gets the same respect as a bigger amount. And at the end of the day it's all about being lucky, not strictly about how much money you have....That's all.......

[Frankolala]

Anything about leaderboard will always be in the favor of the casino regardless the prizes attached to it. I don't like to be on a hot seat because I want to win a reasonable amount of money from gambling therefore, I prefer a leaderboard that you can easily get to the top spot to avoid spending too much than expected. Gambling isn't an achievement so, why all the seriousness on a casino race.

[Davidvictorson]

Life is not about competition.

Indeed, it is not.

To the OP: We are not in a race for who will win the biggest jackpot. Of course, there are some other folks whose goal is this, those are the outliers but if you are a regular gambler, you want to do something that enables you stay within your means and would not lead to reckless gambling in the pursuit of something that is out of our reach.


In my estimation that race to the leaderboard should be directed to some other life activity.

[danherbias07]

Why not put yourself in the position of the whales? Maybe you will understand it.

Imagine if the gambling site were trying to become a charity that gives more priority to small-amount bettors. It will be chaos. They will lose a lot of whales who are gambling a lot of money, and it will probably wreck their business until they go bankrupt.

We, small bettors, are not the priority. They give that race to the gamblers who can spend more and are willing to gamble a lot of money either for fun or for their gambling addiction. They do not really what it is for but they must offer every promotion they can give to those whales so that they will keep on coming back.

[Awaklara]

Personally i'd rather see a leaderboard based on the highest multiplier or something where a $1 bet could actually compete with a $1000 one.

That method makes more sense for regular players than chasing a position on the leaderboard based on wagers. Especially if you are playing at a big casino, where players with large funds will compete against each other for leaderboard positions.
If you are very interested in the leaderboard, you might need to prepare the capital. But just remember not to focus too much, as it can affect the way you gamble. Or better yet, ignore it all and gamble as usual.

[tsaroz]

Almost every operator (maybe even everyone of them) has some kind of race with leaderboard now: weekly, monthly, whatever with '$100k up for grabs'. and in every leaderboard, the top 10 have wagered amounts ... i can't wager in my life.

Whats even the point for regular players?

Most races are based on total wagering volume. which basically means whoever has the biggest bankroll gets the best chance at winning. and if you wanna climb higher you gotta keep betting more and more...

Personally i'd rather see a leaderboard based on the highest multiplier or something where a $1 bet could actually compete with a $1000 one.

And what do you think is more fair - wager-based leaderboards, random raffles or highest multiplier races?

I have had a lower prize a few times. The key for low bankroll players is to join a less popular or new casino and get on early. It's almost impossible for normal bankroll users to win contests on huge casinos unless they have some high odds wins regularly.
Its also not wise to keep looking for new casino's contest just for trying to win the contest as the overall contest prize are a small fraction of what you risk and there are a few more risks with very new casinos and it's not a good idea to commit a larger sum just for the contest. But if there's some fun things you like about the new casino and have the money to risk, you can give them a try.

[Alex077]

Most races are based on total wagering volume. which basically means whoever has the biggest bankroll gets the best chance at winning. and if you wanna climb higher you gotta keep betting more and more...

I think casinos have become increasingly much more difficult to win against them. I even am at the point that I doubt anyone winning a max win in the most well known casinos we have here, I am not talking against new releases as they give the max win easily as they are programmed like that and a whale within a week has the max win or a huge multiplier at least. What I mean is why games, old games like Gates of Olympus or Sweet Bonanza original versions which used to give the max win quite often now it is almost impossible to get it compared to some years ago.

It's practically impossible for an average player to compete with someone who can wager tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in a week. That way, ordinary players would actually have a chance to compete with the big players. Although even here, we'd need to take the number of attempts into account, since someone who places more bets has a better chance of hitting a rare high multiplier.

High volatility means that even thousands of spins can go by without a really big win. That's why I think the fairest format would be competitions where every participant gets the same number of attempts and has the same betting limit. That would at least partly level the playing field between ordinary players and big whales.