bullrun2024bro distribute negative Trust for alleged KI posting without evidence

[Joy- maker]

The Nigeria local board is more like a general board because, we don't speak one common language.

I think this part is what makes me still don't understand, why can Nigerian Locals write in two Languages in their local parts? i.e. English and their own Local Language? (correct if I'm wrong)

Which could be misused by someone who wants to prostitute themselves in that local forum.
And as far as I know no other local forum does the same, using two languages when posting in its local section.

Even like myself, I don't want someone who used to post on Local Indonesia, using English. because I think our local language is easier to understand by fellow local members.

The reason why it is so is that Nigeria has 250 ethnic groups, although some estimates put the number at 300. And the largest ethnic groups are housa, igbo and Yoruba. And other notable ethnic groups include:

Ijaw, Ogoni, Nupe, Efik, Isoko, Jukun, Ebira, Igala, Idoma, Urhobo, Edo(bini), Tiv, Gwari(Gbagyi),  Itsekiri, Ibibio, Kanuri, Fulani.

From what I have said above, you should understand that Nigeria is one of Africa's most ethically diverse countries with hundreds of ethnic groups, each having its own cultural practices, language and traditions.

Nigeria has between 500 and 520 indigenous language spoken across the country. I am sure that only few people can speak up to four languages, while the majority of us can speak our native language and one other language.

Personally, I speak only my native language, but I can understand igbo and housa language. And there are nigerians who are like this.

we who are nigerians know ourselves.

The high level of impersonators in Nigeria local board is just too much, if only we can implement using only our local language they will all stop posting in our local board.

While a person is writing in your local section in English, posing as a Nigerian, the first thing that comes to mind is that he is who he claims to be, right? Do not be offended in this case. We see what is in front of our eyes. If you make a general decision to write in the local language, then you will independently see those who write with errors, with errors that are not typical of a native speaker. Think about how users from the German section see those who don't fit into their community by constantly posting translations?

Therefore, as long as there are such "rules" for posting in your section, you will accept what pops up periodically in your section.

But people belonging to Pakistan were also caught in the German section, so you shouldn't generalize everything to one section; I totally agree.

People are the same everywhere; there are no separate bad and separate good. We respect everyone. And there are scammers and cheaters everywhere. Perhaps, as I wrote earlier, in people who are ready to cheat, the DNA code has undergone some changes at birth. Unfortunately.🤷‍♀️

This is true. we intend to assume everyone who writes on the Nigeria local board is Nigerian. However, there are few users I know who are not Nigerians but still post on the local board, e.g @JayJuanGee, @pooya87 and you.

If we only we could all agree to write in pidgin, I'm sure we will be able to identify those who are using translators and those who is not. This is because you need to understand pidgin to some extent before you can write in it. sometimes, I struggle to express myself in pidgin and my first ever attempt at writing in piggin is on the forum.



But the fact still remains that not everyone who posts on the Nigeria local board is Nigerian.

[DireWolfM14]

We opened a thread a few days ago, to put an end to the account farming.

I love this initiative, but honestly I think red-tags for AI posts is misuse of the trust system.  A neutral tag and reporting the posts is the proper way to deal with it.  If that doesn't change the OP's behavior, a sig-ban is sure to ensue.

The OP has been around longer than I have, and hasn't been very active.  It does reek of "farmed account".  Definitely worth keeping an eye on this one.

[Cricktor]

I'll have to have a closer look at some of the more recent (new) accounts in German local board. I noticed some weird language usage that doesn't align with a native speaker.

There's forum rule #27 where I question a bit the exemptions possible. I'd generally interpret it more or less to (for me at least): do not use automated translation tools in local boards. I very rarely see any need for it except for cheaters and pretenders.

If I ever had the need (rarely do) to post in a foreign local board, I'd use English language if it's not forbidden by local forum rules, unless I know the local foreign language good enough to give it a try (I'd still declare that I'm no native speaker and possibly used some language tools to not embarrass myself too much). I'd clearly state that I'm no local and why I used the language and why I posted in the location uncommon for me.

Speaking of German local board, I wouldn't have any issue if a foreign visitor (non-native German) posts in English because they've some good reason for the post. To my knowledge it's not forbidden there anyway but you should always respect a local board to remain primarily for locals.

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I'm a bit between chairs if neutral or red tag is more appropriate. Deliberately trying to pretend and somewhat hide who you are, is a deception and dishonesty which sort of leaks into if a person can be viewed as trustworthy at all. I wouldn't want to conduct business with a deceiver.

[LoyceV]

Allow me to cherry-pick just this part:

Deliberately trying to pretend and somewhat hide who you are, is a deception and dishonesty

Isn't that what nicknames on a forum are for? My name is not LoyceV, and I'm pretty sure your real name isn't Cricktor. Hiding who you are is just part of basic OPSEC.

This of course has nothing to do with spamming AI crap on local boards for Merit.

[DireWolfM14]

I'm a bit between chairs if neutral or red tag is more appropriate. Deliberately trying to pretend and somewhat hide who you are, is a deception and dishonesty which sort of leaks into if a person can be viewed as trustworthy at all. I wouldn't want to conduct business with a deceiver.

The issue isn't whether having alts warrants a redtag, it's whether spamming and merit hunting does. 

But to partially veer off subject , because it seems obvious the OP is an alt and likely part of a large farm based on how infrequently it posts given its tenure here, the forum doesn't ban alts for a variety of good reasons.  We all try to maintain some semblance of anonymity here, and that's also for good reason.  I can think of plenty of good reasons to not want to use your main account to post something controversial.  Especially if you've participated in the collectibles board where you're bound to doxx yourself to at least one member or more.

[lovesmayfamilis]

But to partially veer off subject , because it seems obvious the OP is an alt and likely part of a large farm based on how infrequently it posts given its tenure here, the forum doesn't ban alts for a variety of good reasons. 

The big break in posting is due to the fact that in the early days the account belonged to another person. It's familiar. He has an old wallet address, and he seems to be using it now, representing it in recent sweepstakes. But I am sure that this is just a fiction to avert the eyes. Will he be bold enough to sign it?

https://bitlist.co/address/3Es32PkwW9EHaUupwGhNRR7krH8wM4ZkJE

I also think that after several accounts received a negative tag in the Pakistani section (and that was the pizza story), the strategy of these accounts probably changed. Now they have divided their accounts into different local sections, such as German, Indian, and Arabic. Anyway, in local sections, merit  sources are more loyal to their users, which is what these cheaters use.

https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3503739



https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Munshi%20Prem%20Chand   India

Are there any Germans who read the India section?

Look at this: do you see any similarities?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5595701.msg67200835#msg67200835  Deutsches Board: Aktivitäts-Auswertung & Top-Poster
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5595686.msg67301706#msg67301706  [تقرير شهري] ملخص حركة نقاط الجدارة (Merits) في القžلق

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ObeyKnock


https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Nmjut


I would suggest that users of the Arabic section check this account
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3765224
if someone does not agree that there may be those who use a translator in their section. As well as a new account from India
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3769704

 Since it's obviously all one farm and all already have AI spammer tags.

[Cricktor]

Isn't that what nicknames on a forum are for? My name is not LoyceV, and I'm pretty sure your real name isn't Cricktor. Hiding who you are is just part of basic OPSEC.

I should've been more accurate with words (and I assume you still didn't misunderstand me). Apparently I wasn't talking of hiding our own identity behind forum nicknames. Of course, I meant the deception by trying to pretend to be a local user of some local board.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that people try this, because I don't think it can work for long. Native speakers recognise pretty quickly if someone's use of language comes from knowing the language or using tools. I may've missed abilities of cutting-edge LLM tech, though, to pretend being some foreigner.

I've no problems with alts as long as it's not abused to cheat (in a quite broad sense).

..., the strategy of these accounts probably changed. Now they have divided their accounts into different local sections, such as German, Indian, and Arabic. Anyway, in local sections, merit  sources are more loyal to their users, which is what these cheaters use.

Indeed, I can only speak for the German local board, locals there are quite welcoming to new local users. I can say, I'm guilty of giving out few merits in good faith for an introduction post (which isn't too shabby) or if someone explains their choice of forum nickname when it's interesting or somewhat entertaining (yes, there are threads for that, probably not unusual for a local board).

It sucks, that this seems to get exploited now and it feels like a small betrayal. Damn!

[LoyceV]

I should've been more accurate with words (and I assume you still didn't misunderstand me). Apparently I wasn't talking of hiding our own identity behind forum nicknames. Of course, I meant the deception by trying to pretend to be a local user of some local board.

I understood you, but also tried to make a point. In this case, it looks like an account farmer. They'll try whatever they can to earn Merit. If it doesn't work, there's not much lost for them and they'll try something else with a new account.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Nice thread. It's yet another example of someone who comes here to complain about a supposed injustice, when all they're really doing is drawing attention to themselves and getting more red tags. I'd leave another one on his profile, but since I think four are enough and they're all about what's happened in the German section, I'm going to pass.

[Sexylizzy2813]

The reason why it is so is that Nigeria has 250 ethnic groups, although some estimates put the number at 300. And the largest ethnic groups are housa, igbo and Yoruba. And other notable ethnic groups include:

Ijaw, Ogoni, Nupe, Efik, Isoko, Jukun, Ebira, Igala, Idoma, Urhobo, Edo(bini), Tiv, Gwari(Gbagyi),  Itsekiri, Ibibio, Kanuri, Fulani.

From what I have said above, you should understand that Nigeria is one of Africa's most ethically diverse countries with hundreds of ethnic groups, each having its own cultural practices, language and traditions.

Nigeria has between 500 and 520 indigenous language spoken across the country. I am sure that only few people can speak up to four languages, while the majority of us can speak our native language and one other language.

Personally, I speak only my native language, but I can understand igbo and housa language. And there are nigerians who are like this.

You made a good list of the languages in Nigeria but one thing is sure, that Nigerians in this Forum doesn't use 1 language which you can not tell me every single Nigerian doesn't understand, pigin is the only language that we understand and can be used to post not those listed languages you mentioned there because is only few that can understand and at the same time give a clean response to (talking about a post Ogoni, Igala, Edo and the rest), that is the only way to elevate our local board but it doesn't seem to me and few others that PIGIN will never be the only language to use in our board. Like I said before and I'll say it again, as long as we don't have 1 voice in that board it will always be more of English (which makes it look like general board and not Naija Local Board) and less of PIGIN, this act will definitely increase the number of non Nigerians to always do what they love doing which is impersonating. The sad truth about this whole thing is that so many Nigerians love to be controlled before they act on what is right, the moment some of the high ranked members say we should use PIGIN in our local board (for instance) that is when you see them acting on that to stand as the only language (PIGIN).

[JollyGood]

Personally, I will not look through the threads to locate the posts that are behind your reasons for creating this thread as after reading your received feedback I am not interested at all. I have no comment to make other than to ask about your motives.

You had received one negative tag before creating this thread, another negative on the day you created this thread and two more negative tags a day and two days (respectively) after you created this thread. What did you achieve by creating this thread? Whether your intention was to monetise the account or otherwise, it seems highly unlikely it will enroll in any signature campaign.

In the German section, bullrun2024bro has distributed negative trusts to alleged KI posting members. He has failed to deliever any proof of KI generated posts.

bullrun2024bro should stop to give out negative trusts for alleged KI postings without evidence or he should be distrusted entirely.

Recommended action: ~bullrun2024bro

[FinneysTrueVision]

I would suggest that users of the Arabic section check this account
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3765224
if someone does not agree that there may be those who use a translator in their section.

I’ve been contacted a couple of times by this user asking me to remove the neutral tag from their profile. The first time, I declined because it was too recent after I had tagged them and also there was mistakes in their writing that appeared to be AI hallucinations.

They messaged me again today, but I will not be removing the feedback that I have left because, even though they have gotten better at avoiding detection, I believe they are still using AI.

[ObeyKnock]

Snip

Do you really know what the Arabic language is? Do you have any idea?

نعم هذه الحراسة الوديعة، مما يعني ان المفاتيح ليست بيد صاحب الأصل وهناك عنصر مخاطرة يتمثل في احتمال قيامهم بتجميد او حظر عمليات السحب بموجب أمر قضائي. ومع ذلك فان استخدام مصطلح "مملوكة" ليس صحيح. وكما تذكر شركة Komainu، يتم الاحتفاظ باصول العملاء خارج ميزانيتها العمومية في محافظ منفصلة لكل عميل، وهذا يعني ان هذه الأصول مملوكة قانونياً للعميل ولا يمكن استخدامها لتسوية اي إفلاس. وهذا يختلف عن حسابات البورصات التي عادة تكون مجمعة.
ومن الواضح ان هذا مجرد ما يذكرونه ولم يتم اختبارها في المحكمة بعد، ومع ذلك هناك فرق بين الملكية من قبل طرف ثالث وعدم الملكية على الاطلاق

This was the text I just made with Hamza's mistakes,( an Arabic speaker can easily understand what I am talking about.) , and with this I can easily fool AI detectors like Sapling,

This is the original text:

نعم، هذه هي الحراسة الوديعة، مما يعني أن المفاتيح ليست بيد صاحب الأصل. وهناك عنصر مخاطرة يتمثل في احتمال قيامهم بتجميد أو حظر عمليات السحب بموجب أمر قضائي. ومع ذلك، فإن استخدام مصطلح "مملوكة" ليس صحيحًا. وكما تذكر شركة Komainu، يتم الاحتفاظ بأصول العملاء خارج ميزانيتها العمومية في محافظ منفصلة لكل عميل. وهذا يعني أن هذه الأصول مملوكة قانونياً للعميل ولا يمكن استخدامها لتسوية أي إفلاس. وهذا يختلف عن حسابات البورصات التي عادةً ما تكون مجمعة.

ومن الواضح أن هذا مجرد ما يذكرونه ولم يتم اختباره في المحكمة بعد. ومع ذلك، هناك فرق بين الملكية من قبل طرف ثالث وعدم الملكية على الإطلاق

I’m referring to one Arabic section user, yhiaali3. You can call anyone else too. Dear yhiaali3, can you check if there is a big difference between these two texts written above?

And FinneysTrueVision, please check this text too:

هل سيشهد الاهتمام عودةً إذا انخفضت الأسعار؟ هذا سؤال وجيه.

نشر المستثمر التقني المعروف جيسون كالاكانيس مؤخراً على منصة "إكس": "بع البيتكوين الآن". وهو يعتقد أن السعر سينخفض إلى 57,000 دولار (حيث يبلغ حالياً حوالي 79.6 ألف دولار، لذا فهو يرى أن هناك تراجعاً محتملاً بنسبة 28% تقريباً) في غضون عام، وأن البيتكوين لن يصل أبداً إلى قمة جديدة (هذا الجزء لست متأكداً منه تماماً، لكن التنبؤات المطلقة تكون دائماً مبالغاً فيها).

حجته هي أن البيتكوين "فقد اهتمام الجمهور"، مما يعني أن هناك ضغطاً اجتماعياً أقل للاحتفاظ بالأصل. كانت تدفقات صناديق الاستثمار المتداولة (ETF) ضعيفة (وفقاً لـ Farside، خرج 774 مليون دولار يومي الخميس والجمعة، ولم يعد سوى 110 ملايين دولار يوم الاثنين)، وانتقل اهتمام الناس إلى أشياء أخرى (حالياً، هذا الشيء هو الذكاء الاصطناعي). وهو مستثمر في TAO، وهو الرمز المميز لشبكة Bittensor للذكاء الاصطناعي، لذا فمن المؤكد أن لديه مصلحة شخصية في هذا الأمر.

تبيعون، تحتفظون، ولا تزيدون؟

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5598044.msg67281866#msg67281866

Almost 100% in Sapling and 0% in Copyleaks.




Now check this post from Kavelj22:

من المفترض ان قيمة الرهن تتجاوز قيمة القرض بنسبة معينة تحسبا لاضطرابات الاسعار. انما في حالة انخفضت قيمة الرهن دون ذلك المستوى المضبوط فالبنك من المنطقي ان يطلب زيادة في الرهن لتغطية القيمة او ان يبيع الرهن اذا وصل الى حد معين بما يمكن تسميته منطقة المخاطرة او حاجز المخاطرة. غالبا فان هذا الطرق لا تكون ناجعة الى حد كبير بما ان المقترض يمكن ان يغض الطرف عن كامل العقد و يسمح للبنك ببيع المرهون اذا تهاوى سعره الى ما دون قيمة القرض بكثير فسيكون لا مبرر من مواصلة دعم قيمته. هذه الاشكالية موجودة تقريبا مع اغلب انواع الرهون لان اسعارها يمكن ان تنزل بسرعة جنونية و لا تترك مجالا للبنك للتصرف و التفاوض مع المقترض. لمثل هذه الحالات في انواع القروض الاخرى فاننا نجد ما يسمى تأمين القرض تتولاه شركة تأمين أو يمكن البنك نفسه يقدم هذه الخدمة. يتولى هذا الطرف خلاص القرض للبنك في حالة عدم السداد و تعذر الرهن عن الايفاء بكامل القيمة المحددة. مع البيتكوين لا علم لي ان كانت هناك شركات تأمين تقبل تأمين هذا النوع من القروض.

This one is 100% AI according to ZeroGPT.



Now check this post:

هذه ربما تكون أقل المخاوف لان أكبر المخاوف بما أن الكازينو يطبق قواعد KYC فهذا يعني أن الوثائق الحقيقية للمستخدمين التي تشمل الهوية الشخصية أو جواز السفر وجميع المعلومات الحقيقية الأخرى ستكون بحوزة الهاكرز الذين قد يبيعونها في الويب المظلم وبالتالي لا أحد يعلم أين يمكن أن تستخدم هذه الوثائق وقد تعرض أصحابها لمخاطر حقيقية.

هذه الوثائق يمكن أن تباع وتستخدم على الانترنت وتستخدم للتسجيل على منصات مختلفة بوثائق مزورة أو حتى يمكن أن تستخدم على أرض الواقع لتزوير الهويات وجوازات السفر والقيام بأنشطة إجرامية وهو الخوف الأكبر.

It shows 0% in ZeroGPT but 100% in Copyleaks.




But look at this other post from the same user:

بالتأكيد أخي لا يتم الحفظ في البنك لأن البنك لايملك البنية التحتية المناسبة لحفظ البيتكوين لذلك مؤكد سيكون ذلك عن طريق شركة أخرى مختصة بحفظ البيتكوين مرتبطة بالبنك
من ناحية أخرى سواء كان البنك تجاري أم حكومي فهو بنك مركزي يعني الشركة صاحبة البنك أو الحكومة هي في الحقيقة التي تسيطر وتتحكم في كل شيء والمستخدم في الحقيقة لايملك شيء.
 
شركة Komainu أيضا هي شركة مركزية وبالتالي المستخدم يظن أنه يملك البيتكوين لكنه في الحقيقة لايملك شيء لأن البيتكوين ملك هذه الشركة أو ملك البنك ويمكنها أن تمنعه أو تجمده أو ترفض سحبه ببساطة حتى بدون أسباب مقنعة.

This one is 100% in both ZeroGPT and Copyleaks.




There could be more examples, but these are enough.

So I will say, stop relying on these detectors, especially for the Arabic language. If you keep relying on them, almost every user will become a victim.

I confess that I used AI when I first registered here, but I stopped using it after reading the rules.

So the decision is yours.