Was this forum always like this?

[zhouhuiyan520]

About 3 months ago, when you started, the Altcoin subforum had pretty much already gone to shit.

Prior to about November of 2013, it was a much cooler place to hang out.  New coin ANN's were much less frequent, and there were far fewer trolls.

Personally, I think it's all DOGE's fault.  DOGE taught the world that a cute, catchy name & meme and nothing else can become a wildly popular coin.  It sorta opened the floodgates for shitcoins to start pouring in like crazy.

It actually used to be worse.  You should have seen it before they banned the giveaway/promo threads.  Holy hell.

These type of people need to learn to listen first, analyze logically, then form a valid response within civility, and be humble; right or wrong.

[SmithsonJim]

Bitcoin and altcoins are heavily connected together. It would be hard to separate them, it is good enough they have separated getto

[Lorenzo]

I always thought it would be a good idea if Litecoin had its own separate board here. I know Litecointalk.org already exists but still...

On a related note, does anyone know of Satoshi's opinion of altcoins? I know Satoshi disappeared at around late 2010. Did altcoins even exist back then? I know Litecoin was launched in 2011 and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the first altcoin since Tenebrix/Fairbrix came before it.

[kysejoy]

Regarding bloat and spam, the hardest thing is truly differentiating between those who are legitimately excited about a coin (n00bishness and so forth) from those who are deliberately using sockpuppets to promote a coin. Sure it's much easier to differentiate between those who are trolls (or just acting like one) and those who aren't, but most of the bloat that you can find in this section are from those who pose as n00b contributors.

This will be a very newbie-ish question, but can moderators always tell who are using sockpuppets? Or do those who make extra accounts here use different IP addresses?

If most puppets use the same IP, then a little forum moderation is all we need. Is there any particular reason why the forum owners decided to more or less ignore this section completely? If they killed the trolls, put in some rudimentary requirements for IPO announcements and just kept things organized a bit better, I'd think it would help things a lot.

Moderating on IP would create other issues for example my husband, son and myself are all members of this forum and all on the same IP.
I was wondering myself if the forum had always been like this. I do find myself doing a bit of detective work trying to figure out who the genuine people.

[DiamondCardz]

Regarding bloat and spam, the hardest thing is truly differentiating between those who are legitimately excited about a coin (n00bishness and so forth) from those who are deliberately using sockpuppets to promote a coin. Sure it's much easier to differentiate between those who are trolls (or just acting like one) and those who aren't, but most of the bloat that you can find in this section are from those who pose as n00b contributors.

This will be a very newbie-ish question, but can moderators always tell who are using sockpuppets? Or do those who make extra accounts here use different IP addresses?

If most puppets use the same IP, then a little forum moderation is all we need. Is there any particular reason why the forum owners decided to more or less ignore this section completely? If they killed the trolls, put in some rudimentary requirements for IPO announcements and just kept things organized a bit better, I'd think it would help things a lot.

Eh, they can check IPs but people can always use a proxy or Tor.

[Spoetnik]

I'm new and only recently heard Solidcoin even existed. Recently I found one really small exchange still trading it. I never even heard of tenebrix/fairbrix until, now. None of these coins are even on coinmarketcap and there are some really shit coins right at the bottom of it.

If there were only a few alt coins back in Solidcoin's day and quite a few seem to be dead, how many of today's shit coins will go the same way? I bet that in a year's time newcomers will never even know half of the coins on coinmarketcap today even existed.

I never heard of tenebrix/fairbrix until just now either. I think the vast majority of current coins will vanish within a year (or be so meaningless that they might as well vanish). Even good coins will probably vanish shortly thereafter. But the exchanges may keep some coins alive longer than they really should, I expect. Even now, coins that should vanish are still listed on some exchanges.... nobody uses them, they barely get any trades, but they remain.

BCX sort of answered my main question. I was less curious about the million alts/shitcoins and spamminess of the forum, and more so in regard to the general tone of the forum and overall immaturity. I guess in a forum with little to no moderation, and a topic that appeals to human greed, it shouldn't be unexpected really. It just seemed weird to me. I also agree with Igotspots ... I haven't ever seen a forum with so much hate as here before... although hate may be too strong a word. Perhaps lack of morality would be the better term to use.

the fact you just agreed with the most hateful guy in the whole scene combined with in one sentence saying you don't know what Tenebrix is
then go on to proclaim you know what the future holds for alts etc is pretty funny. lol

you picked the biggest maniac in this whole scene..

let me give you an example that went down in front of a TON of witnesses..
I was sitting on Cryptsy chat with tons of other people talking and everyone was in a good mood and it was a busy mid-day afternoon
and out of no where iGotSpots arrived and and immediately wasted no time and went off, directed at BitJohn and the rest of us sort of
by saying that.. and i quote word for word... "he was sick of helping people here and he wants to be banned for life" (from chat)
note: i have never seen him help anyone on chat before or after that incident either which is what REALLY makes that story pop lol
and i told buddy relax just hang out with us all and take a deep breath and we can all hang out and chat its cool..
and i said it in a very sincere and friendly way as i had many times before trying to place nice with him and he SNAPPED !
right in front of BitJohn (a mod) he raged on me screaming insults and finished it off by telling me to suck his fucking dick and then he left..
AND THAT IS YOUR buddy your agreeing with here..

Isolated incident ? ohhhh hell no ! that is is standard behavior and i have endless examples the guy is a spiteful extremely angry and offensive Troll
he rarely says anything to anyone but he will watch for long periods of time and then pounce on someone with vicious cut throat insults..
not contributing to any discussions in any way just lurking waiting to pick a fight basically. (while everyone else is chatting having a good time)
You say i always call people stupid everyone ? that guy invented it.. lol
i watched him do that to people on chat 100% of the time ..only other time he would talk is if i had a disagreement with someone he would jump in and start attacking me
trying to rally everyone against me proving he was there 24/7 watching it all and waiting until he had a chance to swoop down on me..
i never in one year seen him chatting in a friendly way with anyone.. he hides and then attacks people period.
and as i said on another topic he had told me on the same chat when i asked why he harasses and Trolls me non stop he said, PUBLICLY (in front of Mullick a mod)
word for word "because it's fun to get a rise out of me" now i have never said that in my life nor would i ..that is pure asshole right there !
I will never forget that day.. Rewt was there too and he was starting in on me at the same time and they were tag teaming me and when i said
to Mullick did you just see him admit it's fun trolling on me ? Mullick said no (of course) another time Mod's happened to look away from the PC screen lol ...right hhahaa
What kind ice cold malicious prick would say that AND ACT IT OUT FOR 8 MONTHS + ?

You people are either a) being suckered or b) you have no idea what is going on.. as usual.

iGotSpots and a couple of his buddies have used a common routine on me and others occasionally and that is..
they hide, they Troll, and then they say YOU started it then here is the key part that.. he rallies people to join in with him and gang up on people
and you all fall for it time after time.. when he pulls that routine he will say your "piece of shit asshole" then 4 lines down in chat he will say
your crazy and he never even said a word ! ..which is obvious to anyone with a scroll wheel that it's 4 lines above his last comment. lol
THAT is what you get with him.. games, lie.. Trolling AND raw unending hate ! Fact.

I have 100 million stories of that guy being a childish prick like that and i have witnesses to every bit of it too !
He pulled the attack and deny and flip it on me routine one time and i was happy because FOR ONCE someone who KNEW the truth actually stuck up for me !
What that was is there was a time when iGotSpots had again come on Crypty's chat box and was asking anyone for help compiling some code,
and i had told the guy, hey i will try and help you out if you want, i can compile what ever i want and have the tools etc..
And at the time he kept ignoring me in front of everyone (not saying yes or no) then a week later i mentioned how i tried to be nice to him and he argued
and called me a liar and said none of that even happened.. then to my shock some people stuck up for me and said actually it did all happen and i was 100% right !

I have endlessly tried to play nice or simply ignore that guy but simply put, he hunts me.
go look at the operation shit coin topic.. and you will clearly see he waits and dives on me Trolling (or occasionally other he doesn't like)

you guys are all mostly blind or are playing along with him for some reason.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE COMMUNITY
Scammers and liars who scam and lie and then troll an attack and then scam and lie and Troll and attack.. get rid of them and problem solved period.
I am in no way a monster for defending myself when some guy attacks me out of the blue *again and i post proof of lies or scams etc in return..
what everyone should actually be doing is thanking me for exposing the liars and frauds.. not making me a monster for pointing out and posting proof of scammers.
your welcome lol

[YarkoL]

On a related note, does anyone know of Satoshi's opinion of altcoins? I know Satoshi disappeared at around late 2010. Did altcoins even exist back then?

He took part in discussions about Namecoin, then called BitDNS. You can read his thoughts in this post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28696#msg28696

I think it's quite impressive how he put forward the idea of merged mining in such nonchalant and almost modest manner...

Concerning altcoins, the last paragraph is pertinent:

Instead of fragmentation, networks share and augment each other's total CPU power.  This would solve the problem that if there are multiple networks, they are a danger to each other if the available CPU power gangs up on one.  Instead, all networks in the world would share combined CPU power, increasing the total strength.  It would make it easier for small networks to get started by tapping into a ready base of miners.

It's almost as if he foresaw the shitcoin wars...

I've noted that many veterans hold similar views as Satoshi did, so you could call that the "orhodox position".

I myself am much more permissive with all kinds of coins and happy to let laissez do it's faire.

[poornamelessme]

the fact you just agreed with the most hateful guy in the whole scene combined with in one sentence saying you don't know what Tenebrix is
then go on to proclaim you know what the future holds for alts etc is pretty funny. lol

you picked the biggest maniac in this whole scene..

I'm almost hesitant to reply to one of your posts, as I didn't mean for this thread to be about you and IGotSpots' issues... or whatever is going on there. Although it does sort of represent many things wrong with this forum in general.

Anyway, not every thread is a battle between who is right or wrong. You can agree with someone about a subject, even if you don't like them, even if you feel they are wrong about something else.

And what was my 'agreement' exactly? That this place is full of hate? I think any sane person can see that. As for me proclaiming what the future holds ... I was simply responding to someone else, wondering if at some point many alts will fade away. It's hardly a revelation to think many will in fact fade away, as there isn't a need for like 500+ alt coins when bitcoin doesn't even have wide acceptance. Many shitcoins, as you are apt to call them, barely last a month or two now. It's impossible for all alts to survive, many will have to die at some point.

[Bit_Happy]

On a related note, does anyone know of Satoshi's opinion of altcoins? I know Satoshi disappeared at around late 2010. Did altcoins even exist back then?

He took part in discussions about Namecoin, then called BitDNS. You can read his thoughts in this post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28696#msg28696

I think it's quite impressive how he put forward the idea of merged mining in such nonchalant and almost modest manner...

Concerning altcoins, the last paragraph is pertinent:

Instead of fragmentation, networks share and augment each other's total CPU power.  This would solve the problem that if there are multiple networks, they are a danger to each other if the available CPU power gangs up on one.  Instead, all networks in the world would share combined CPU power, increasing the total strength.  It would make it easier for small networks to get started by tapping into a ready base of miners.

It's almost as if he foresaw the shitcoin wars...

I've noted that many veterans hold similar views as Satoshi did, so you could call that the "orhodox position".

I myself am much more permissive with all kinds of coins and happy to let laissez do it's faire.

"Crapcoin Wars" are pointless....Let the sh^t float downstream.
...happy to let laissez do it's faire
We could use a lot more people like you around here.

[91porn]

tons of suck coins
I think we must do something

[oztusk]

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