Transnistria (Pridnestrov'je) seeking independence from Moldova

[Nemo1024]

The President of Transnistria offered Moldova an official divorce:
http://www.kp.md/daily/26216.5/3100174/

While in his address to people of Transnistria said that the time is ready to make a decision regarding Transnistria and that the politicians must make a responsible move of legally binding the de-facto state of affairs.
http://www.kommersant.md/node/28083

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/07/president/

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[Balthazar]

What does he mean by "civil divorce"? There are armed neutrality since early 1990s, what's problem here?

[Balthazar]

Just read an interview... Well, GDP over $1 billion and growing, that's nice for them if we remember that they are under blockade.

[bryant.coleman]

Things won't be much easy for Transnistria. They are a landlocked nation, bordered by Moldovia to the West and Ukraine to the East. Both of their neighbors are now hostile.

[bryant.coleman]

Let me guess, Obama is funding that one too??

Obama funding what? the land-lockedness of Transnistria?

[Nemo1024]

Things won't be much easy for Transnistria. They are a landlocked nation, bordered by Moldovia to the West and Ukraine to the East. Both of their neighbors are now hostile.

What about an "Air Bridge". Oh how the history sometimes plays those reversal jokes.

[Nemo1024]

Sorry to disappoint, but in Transristria there is only one side, so there's nothing for Obama to do.  

Oh, and by the way,
 - distance Russia (Moscow)-Transristia: ~1050km
 - distance US (Washington)-Transnistria: ~8000km
Hmm..?  

In the end, yet another group of political gangsters and their dentist offspring, become billionaires overnight, the country turns to shit, and Russia takes over anyway.

Can't fault that statement of yours. You've aptly described the current state of Moldovan politics, so joining Russia would be an improvement for Transnistria.

[Balthazar]

the separatists

They had a right to secede given by constitution of moldova. They used this right, and any who are disagree with that is allowed to GTFO.

lots of money in exchange for conveniently hosting a Russian military base in the region

to assist with the expansion of the Russian empire

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366048.msg6110988#msg6110988

Seriously, it's not even funny anymore.

[Nemo1024]

Sorry to disappoint, but in Transristria there is only one side, so there's nothing for Obama to do. 

You seem so eager to assist with the expansion of the Russian empire. Why don't you enlist in the army?

...What's the matter? Don't you like putting yourself at risk for your beloved empire? Your armchair in your mum's basement is too warm and comfortable?

Why are you so obsessed with fighting? These is more than one way to expand an empire, and military is so 20th century.

Besides, you know what Churchill once said? "The empires of the future are the empires of the mind." Couldn't agree more. So far US has been leading, but they flip completely as soon as they meet just a little resistance on that front.

[Nemo1024]

At least we're having a dialogue. Let's keep it that way! 

He-he. Much better than imposing sanctions (or the Bitcointalk equivalent - hitting Ignore) 

[Kiki112]

do you have some english articles?

I mean not all of us can read cyrillic

[247crypto]

do you have some english articles?

I mean not all of us can read cyrillic

Are you banned on http://en.ria.ru or RT.com ?

[Kiki112]

do you have some english articles?

I mean not all of us can read cyrillic

Are you banned on http://en.ria.ru or RT.com ?

nope, thanks for the links

[Nemo1024]

do you have some english articles?

I mean not all of us can read cyrillic

translate.google.com is your friend there. It manages to translate whole sites from Russian with about 90-96% accuracy. Just copy and paste the links into it.
I don't see RT or RIA having a story on it yet. Must be drowned out by all the Ukraine stuff.

[Balthazar]

It manages to translate whole sites from Russian with about 90-96% accuracy.

It generates a senseless text quite frequently. So asking somebody for checking of the translation results (before trusting them) would be good idea.

[bryant.coleman]

If Transnistria joins Russia, then Gagauzia will also follow the region and merge with Russia. Moldovia will lose its southern region also, in addition to the East.

[Balthazar]

Members of the Supreme Council will appeal to Vladimir Putin to recognize Transnistria.



Appeal will also be sent to the State Duma and the State Council of the Russian Federation, OSCE and UN missions

The decision was made ​​today at the plenary session of the Supreme Council, which was also attended by representatives of public associations of the republic.

http://novostipmr.com/ru/news/14-04-16/deputaty-verhovnogo-soveta-obratyatsya-k-vladimiru-putinu-s

[Balthazar]

http://onestep4ward.com/a-day-trip-traveling-in-transnistria-the-country-that-no-one-has-heard-of/

"A Day Trip Traveling in Transnistria; The Country That No one Has Heard of"

[bryant.coleman]

Moldova condemns Transnistria's attempt to join Russia

The Moldovan government Wednesday condemned Transnistria, a breakaway region of Moldova, over its attempt to join Russia, saying political dialogue is the only way for a final and viable solution to the decades-long conflict.

Remember that Moldovia is currently ruled by a bunch of pro-EU liberals.

[Balthazar]

Everything will be fine when ukrainian side of the borders will be controlled by newly formed Ukrainian Federation

[bryant.coleman]

Everything will be fine when ukrainian side of the borders will be controlled by newly formed Ukrainian Federation

Almost 30% of the Transnistrian population is Ukrainian. What is the Right Sector's view on this? Do they want to ban the Russian and Moldvin languages in Transnistria and declare Ukrainian as the sole language?

[Balthazar]

People of Transnistria already met with similar activists in the early 90s. I don't think that right sector has any future here, they will be exterminated right at the border.

[niothor]

Everything will be fine when ukrainian side of the borders will be controlled by newly formed Ukrainian Federation

Almost 30% of the Transnistrian population is Ukrainian. What is the Right Sector's view on this? Do they want to ban the Russian and Moldvin languages in Transnistria and declare Ukrainian as the sole language?

Moldvin?  Lols , what's that.

But that would be a bit difficult with the remains of the 14th army guarding... the independence of Transnistria ))

Btw , those customs officials at the borders are probably the biggest idiots I've seen in my life.
And i did spent 4 hours at the Turkish border while they were rampaging through my luggage but still these are nr 2.

[niothor]

If Transnistria joins Russia, then Gagauzia will also follow the region and merge with Russia. Moldovia will lose its southern region also, in addition to the East.

Wait wait wait. Weren't you against Turkish people entering the Russian federation ?
Besides Gagauzia has nothing to do with the Russian (empire, communist or federation).
There was no point in history where they actually ruled that territory other that in the official statements.

[bryant.coleman]

Wait wait wait. Weren't you against Turkish people entering the Russian federation ?

The Gagauz may be speaking a Turkic language. But they don't have anything to do with the Turks. They are Christians and hard working.

Besides Gagauzia has nothing to do with the Russian (empire, communist or federation).

Russian is the official language in Gagauzia, in addition to Gagauz. No one speaks Moldvin there.

Also check this:

http://www.dw.de/moldovas-gagauz-region-leans-toward-moscow/a-17504239

http://www.moldova.org/overwhelming-support-russia-led-customs-union-illegal-referendum-moldovas-gagauz-region/

[niothor]

Wait wait wait. Weren't you against Turkish people entering the Russian federation ?

The Gagauz may be speaking a Turkic language. But they don't have anything to do with the Turks. They are Christians and hard working.

I've seen lots of Turks that have nothing to do with turkey.
And the gagauti have nothing to do with the Christianity you think  about

Besides Gagauzia has nothing to do with the Russian (empire, communist or federation).

Russian is the official language in Gagauzia, in addition to Gagauz. No one speaks Moldvin there.

Also check this:

http://www.dw.de/moldovas-gagauz-region-leans-toward-moscow/a-17504239

http://www.moldova.org/overwhelming-support-russia-led-customs-union-illegal-referendum-moldovas-gagauz-region/
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Ever been there?  As i said it previously , if you haven't been at least once through Moldova and Gagauzia , don't believe in anything Wikipedia says.

Btw , do you know how many people there know how to both speak and write in their language?
You'll have the same shock Karl May had when he traveled to the Orient, after writing the stories of Kara Ben Nemsi.

Those people have no clue about Romania or Moldova or Russia.
It's just their idiotic leader who makes stupid claims. Besides , he's one of the guys who don't know how to read the gagauz language ))))))

[bryant.coleman]

I've seen lots of Turks that have nothing to do with turkey.
And the gagauti have nothing to do with the Christianity you think  about

The Gagauz are devout Christians and they were the first group to oppose the recognition of Islam in Moldovia (off course which was forced upon the general public by the pro-EU loonies).

Ever been there?  As i said it previously , if you haven't been at least once through Moldova and Gagauzia , don't believe in anything Wikipedia says.

Из 23,293 yчeникoв, oбyчaющиxcя в 55 yчeбныx зaвeдeнияx aвтoнoмии, 22,163 oбyчaeтcя нa pyccкoм языкe. Ha мoлдaвcкoм (или pyмынcкoм языкe) — 707 yчeникoв, нa нecкoлькиx языкax cpaзy (включaя pyccкий) — 423 yчeникa.

http://www.regnum.ru/news/1084243.html

[niothor]

I've seen lots of Turks that have nothing to do with turkey.
And the gagauti have nothing to do with the Christianity you think  about

The Gagauz are devout Christians and they were the first group to oppose the recognition of Islam in Moldovia (off course which was forced upon the general public by the pro-EU loonies).

Just as some communities in the Philippine and in south america which claim to be christian but are more close to witch doctors. it's just that their Christianity even if it's orthodox like the one Moldova has so many differences. And they have lots of practices nobody has a clue where did they picked them up.

And again , quoting my line about not trusting everything Wikipedia says , you quote a Russian article....very professional for somebody claiming to have a fair point on this and not involved in propaganda.

I could give you hundreds of articles on this in romana but... not so sure Google won't translate gagaut as stupid )).
So , I won't have a fair view either.

[Balthazar]

Gagauz people are orthodox christians, many of them are followers of unrecognized Autocephalous Turkish Orthodox Patriarchate. This church is well known for its extreme conservatism, in comparison with other orthodox churches.

The rest part are followers of Moldovan Orthodox Church, Greek Orthodox Crurch and other Orthodox denominations.

[Nemo1024]

I would much prefer if they all were just atheists. Much easier to talk to and reason with.

[Balthazar]

I would much prefer if they all were just atheists. Much easier to talk to and reason with.

The most of the people are unable to develop self-control without conceptions of God, Divine Punishment, et cetera.

[bryant.coleman]

I would much prefer if they all were just atheists. Much easier to talk to and reason with.

What about the people who have reverted to the native faith? Seems to be quite popular in the Eastern Europe. Mostly a recent phenomenon, with the exception of the Mari of Russia. Some of the Turkic people have also reverted to the native faith. For example, the Chuvash call their native faith Vattisen Yaly. The Mari call theirs Chimari Yula.

[Nemo1024]

I would much prefer if they all were just atheists. Much easier to talk to and reason with.

What about the people who have reverted to the native faith? Seems to be quite popular in the Eastern Europe. Mostly a recent phenomenon, with the exception of the Mari of Russia. Some of the Turkic people have also reverted to the native faith. For example, the Chuvash call their native faith Vattisen Yaly. The Mari call theirs Chimari Yula.

Native faith, or pagan faith in plural gods like the Slavic Perun and Nordic Odin, is just a flight of people from the present over-indoctrinated Jewish cultural heritage, spread in the form of Christianity. These people search for the origins of their people, their culture, but still cling to the pre-made answers provided by religions. A much better route would be to start thinking for themselves, yet keep and honour their origins by remembering the myths and legends of their forefathers, without actively worshipping anything, but asking questions and coming to answers through scientific process.

[Sithara007]

What about the people who have reverted to the native faith? Seems to be quite popular in the Eastern Europe. Mostly a recent phenomenon, with the exception of the Mari of Russia. Some of the Turkic people have also reverted to the native faith. For example, the Chuvash call their native faith Vattisen Yaly. The Mari call theirs Chimari Yula.

Atheism is better than native faith.

[bryant.coleman]

Atheism is better than native faith.

I don't know. I am not religious.... but I will not call myself an atheist yet. That said Christianity has more than 1 millennium of history in Russia. The Soviets tried hard to erase it, but were unsuccessful.

[Balthazar]

Victory Day celebration in Tiraspol:

[bryant.coleman]

Rogozin : Russia will not allow to isolate Transnistria.

http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/09/n_6140277.shtml

[niothor]

Rogozin : Russia will not allow to isolate Transnistria.

http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/09/n_6140277.shtml

You should really add "anymore" to that sentence.
Btw , crossing the border through Transnistria reminds me of the movies about the ww2. To many politicians going nuts on this planet.

[bryant.coleman]

Hmm.... Dimitri Rogozin blocked in Transnistria in Tiraspol after Romania & Ukraine deny air passage. Rogozin: I'm flying out despite the ban. What they are going to do? Shoot him down?

[niothor]

Hmm.... Dimitri Rogozin blocked in Transnistria in Tiraspol after Romania & Ukraine deny air passage. Rogozin: I'm flying out despite the ban. What they are going to do? Shoot him down?

There is no such ban.
That twitter post has already been debunked in the Romanian press.

Nobody cared about him when he got there , nobody care about him if he flies from there to Romania or the moon or Congo.

Besides there were no such thing as escorting planes for his flight.
Cheap propaganda.

Besides , this is now a politician should talk? Next time i'll come with a tu-160?
Too much vodka comrade.

You should check the reactions in the Romanian press , he is making enemies for nothing.

[Nemo1024]

The boxes of signatures for Transnistria's joining Russia were confiscated from Rogosin's plane.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375644

Romania seeks explanation for Rogosin's Twitter comment regarding his flight being blocked by Romania, that next time he is going to fly in TU-160
http://echo.msk.ru/news/1317788-echo.html


 

[niothor]

The boxes of signatures for Transnistria's joining Russia were confiscated from Rogosin's plane.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375644

Romania seeks explanation for Rogosin's Twitter comment regarding his flight being blocked by Romania, that next time he is going to fly in TU-160
http://echo.msk.ru/news/1317788-echo.html


 

And you know what those declarations triggered in Romania
People who couldn't care less about the whole urk-ru-crimmea stuff starting posting message I'm ashamed to even copy paste them

Actually the news about his declaration made the top most commented news in some papers in less than 6 hours. And this with heavy moderation and comments renewals.

But most of them are circling around "next time come and do us a bl*".

Honestly i haven't seen readers so enraged not even on the last 15% wage cut.
Whatever support was in .ro for the Russians (as i wrote before we love them as much as the americans) has gone down the drain.

Btw , our response was just as idiotic:
"How much vodka did he drink before saying that" , by T . Basescu.

[Nemo1024]

Well, I agree that it was not the most intelligent comment that a politician could have made in such a delicate question, so I can see why Romanians are enraged.

On the other hand, Romania should not have gotten involved. This was between Russia and Moldova, and the feud over Transnistria has been going on for some time. A bit of reporting from RT (I'll quote some statement that caught my attention the most):

Stuck in rogue airspace: Moldova seizes Transnistria petitions from Russian delegation jet
http://rt.com/news/158164-moldova-rogozin-airspace-romania/

“Moldovan secret services on-board our plane are confiscating boxes with Transdniestrians’ signatures for reunification with Russia,” Russian Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin tweeted.

These documents, according to Rogozin, were transferred to him by activists during his visit to Tiraspol for Victory Day celebrations.

“Yesterday we received signatures that were handed to us by activists of the Union of Russian Communities,” the Deputy Prime Minister added.

Shouldn't he have some immunity from searches? On the other just recently the Bolivian president's plane was force-landed and searched for Snowden...

The Moldovan authorizes were able to seize the documents after the plane carrying Russian politicians was forced to land in Chisinau after both Ukraine and Romania restricted its airspace to the Russian Rusjet Yak 42.

On Saturday, Rogozin tweeted that Romania closed its airspace “at the request of the US.” Ukraine also banned the plane from flying over its territory.

Here is the offending statement in question:

“Upon a US request, Romania has closed its air space for my plane,” he tweeted. “Ukraine doesn't allow me to pass through again. Next time I'll fly on board TU-160,” he said implying that with all the neighboring airspaces closed only Russia's largest strategic bomber could pierce through.

So, the US trace again... But, oh the music of the word "sanctions". It can justify anything:

“The threat of using a Russian strategic bomber plane by a Russian deputy prime minister is a very grave statement under the current regional context,” the statement read.

Romania justified its own actions by “simply following sanctions” imposed by the EU against Russia over Ukraine, although it remains unclear how the visa ban of one person is related to the rejection of crossing airspace for the whole aircraft.

The Romanians did not mention why the same rules were not followed during Rogozin's initial travel to Tiraspol on May 8, when his plane was forced by Ukraine – and was allowed to – fly over Bulgaria and Romania to reach the veterans of Transnistria for Victory Day celebrations.  

“Our plane was ordered to return to Chisinau, threatening forced landing in Ukraine,” Vladimir Medinsky, Russia's culture minister said on Saturday, explaining that at first, the jet was cleared for takeoff, but as the flight just started to ascend, it was forced down, most likely following Washington's request. Kiev itself explained that Rusjet (RSJ) was not given flight permission “in connection with gross violations of Ukraine's airspace use, namely landing at a closed Simferopol airport.”

About Transnistria:

Transnistria is a breakaway region of Moldova located between the River Dniester and the eastern Moldovan border with Ukraine. Since its declaration of independence in 1990, unrecognized by the UN, and the War of Transnistria in 1992, it has been governed as an autonomous territorial unit with special legal status. Most of its citizens speak Russian. Up to 1,500 Russian peacekeepers are protecting order there, under the agreement with Moldova.

[niothor]

Well, I agree that is was not the most intelligent comment that a politician could have made in such a delicate question, so I can see why Romanians are enraged.

On the other hand, Romania should not have gotten involved. This was between Russia and Moldova, and the feud over Transnistria has been going on for some time. A bit of reporting from RT (I'll quote some statement that caught my attention the most):

Stuck in rogue airspace: Moldova seizes Transnistria petitions from Russian delegation jet
http://rt.com/news/158164-moldova-rogozin-airspace-romania/

“Moldovan secret services on-board our plane are confiscating boxes with Transdniestrians’ signatures for reunification with Russia,” Russian Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin tweeted.

These documents, according to Rogozin, were transferred to him by activists during his visit to Tiraspol for Victory Day celebrations.

“Yesterday we received signatures that were handed to us by activists of the Union of Russian Communities,” the Deputy Prime Minister added.

Shouldn't he have some immunity from searches? On the other just recently the Bolivian president's plane was force-landed and searched for Snowden...

The Moldovan authorizes were able to seize the documents after the plane carrying Russian politicians was forced to land in Chisinau after both Ukraine and Romania restricted its airspace to the Russian Rusjet Yak 42.

On Saturday, Rogozin tweeted that Romania closed its airspace “at the request of the US.” Ukraine also banned the plane from flying over its territory.

Here is the offending statement in question:

“Upon a US request, Romania has closed its air space for my plane,” he tweeted. “Ukraine doesn't allow me to pass through again. Next time I'll fly on board TU-160,” he said implying that with all the neighboring airspaces closed only Russia's largest strategic bomber could pierce through.

So, the US trace again... But, oh the music of the word "sanctions". It can justify anything:

“The threat of using a Russian strategic bomber plane by a Russian deputy prime minister is a very grave statement under the current regional context,” the statement read.

Romania justified its own actions by “simply following sanctions” imposed by the EU against Russia over Ukraine, although it remains unclear how the visa ban of one person is related to the rejection of crossing airspace for the whole aircraft.

The Romanians did not mention why the same rules were not followed during Rogozin's initial travel to Tiraspol on May 8, when his plane was forced by Ukraine – and was allowed to – fly over Bulgaria and Romania to reach the veterans of Transnistria for Victory Day celebrations.  

“Our plane was ordered to return to Chisinau, threatening forced landing in Ukraine,” Vladimir Medinsky, Russia's culture minister said on Saturday, explaining that at first, the jet was cleared for takeoff, but as the flight just started to ascend, it was forced down, most likely following Washington's request. Kiev itself explained that Rusjet (RSJ) was not given flight permission “in connection with gross violations of Ukraine's airspace use, namely landing at a closed Simferopol airport.”

About Transnistria:

Transnistria is a breakaway region of Moldova located between the River Dniester and the eastern Moldovan border with Ukraine. Since its declaration of independence in 1990, unrecognized by the UN, and the War of Transnistria in 1992, it has been governed as an autonomous territorial unit with special legal status. Most of its citizens speak Russian. Up to 1,500 Russian peacekeepers are protecting order there, under the agreement with Moldova.

About "This was between Russia and Moldova" , just like Russia is interested in the Transnistria we could claim we're interested in Moldova. After all that is seen as Romanian land. Not that I join the enthusiams on this but..

On the other hand it appears that this whole escort the plane stop the plane thing was caused by Rogozin himself.

The plane took of with the destination Moscow via Ukraine but in went from the start towards our air space. Why?
The AACR didn't comment yet if they sent any message and the MAE said they will have a another statement on this.

The whole situation is at least weird.

Besides , the Ukrainians deny the ban and it seems he indeed arrived to Moscow  through Ukraine airspace.

Also a statement from the authorities in Moldova say that the plane claimed technical malfunctions when it returned to Chisinau.
Also it's weird that he posted on twitter the message from the so called romanian fighter ? , but not from the mig that intercepted it over Ukraine.

This whole thing is mess and my head is starting to hurt a bit.

[Nemo1024]

I begin to wonder if this whole thing was a PR stunt.
Rogosin said yesterday that Russia could hardly hope for better PR for those signatures than Moldova seizing them.  
And Rogosin is not as subtle a politician as, say, Lavrov....

It would be best for Romania to publish the air traffic control communications, if the plane indeed tried to enter Romanian airspace.

[bryant.coleman]

Russian Deputy PM Rogozin in Transnistria for the Victory Day:

[Balthazar]

Transnistria to issue plastic coins

http://news.coinupdate.com/transnistria-to-introduce-plastic-circulation-coins-4441/

The Transnistrian Republican Bank (TRB) will issue new currency units that will be made of composite materials. The move is being done to commemorate the twentieth anniversary of the national currency. Plastic coins, depending on denomination, will have a different geometric shape and color. According to the press service of the TRB, the new money will combine best qualities of coins and banknotes - high wear resistance and a wide range of security features. The coins for Transnistria were developed in Russia.

"For the time being, this kind of money is not produced anywhere else in the world. This is an innovation not only for Transnistria, but also for the international banking community. The currency units were designed by our colleagues from the Russian Federation and we will be the first to use them," First Deputy Chairwoman of the TRB Olga Radulova said in an interview with the First Transnistrian Channel.

The move to waive the production of metal coins is indeed a unique event. Plastic banknotes are in use in many countries of the world (they were first made in Australia), but the coins made ​​of composite materials will appear for the first time in Transnistria.

For protection against counterfeiting, the technology of their production involves the use of a special texture, contour elements, micro texts and specific reflection of light when exposed to ultraviolet and infrared glow.

Coins made ​​of plastic will be introduced in circulation from 22 August 2014 and will have a parallel circulation with paper money of the same denomination.

[RichardKraus]

Transnistria intends to develop its own cryptocurrency system

The authorities of Tiraspol intends to develop their own cryptocurrency system (a type of digital coin). The action is included in a concept approved on Thursday, June 29, which provides for the development of e-commerce.

"We hope that this idea will help remove bureaucratic barriers for entrepreneurs, improve the business environment and increase transit and freight transfer, and increase the number of online stores," said the so-called Minister of Economic Development, Sergei Obolonic.